Stake Casino - Player alleges bet manipulation at Stake.com.

Casino: Stake.com

Games : Mines

i have been playing on stake since 5 years , but recently ever since they have stopped letting their customers use API , i was doubtful , that i am bleeding out of money on Mines.

My luck used to get 40 continous losses on mines once i deposit money.

so back in June i inherited about 100k usd and all dumped on mines.

and in july started recording bets on my ipad using free software and after 15 days tallying the bet results.

I found out few of the bets were missing.

so i inquired to support agent on chat and they pulled out the details from Betarchive on stake.com

so it turned out, the bets which i am placing with 2 mines , is registered in the archive as 11 mines , 13 mines , .......23 mines.

On the front end it shows 2 mines , and in the back end its registered as 11 mines. 

so clearly , they were manipulating the bet odds in the back end. And deleting the bet or archiving the bet. 

But, thankfully, as I recorded the whole session , for the corresponding odds for the bets which i placed is duly recorded.

between 4 th July to 15 th of july, i have reviewed the footage and found out 184 bets were missing if the total bets which i have placed and out of which ore than 50 percent have different odds which I have placed.

So , stake.com on the fron end was manipulating the bets to pull uo the losses and therby adjusting the result in the real time and by deleting or archiving the bet.

One such bet is 167247337064.

if you ahead and find it , it shows bet id not found , but you can view the next bet and previous bet.

when enquired to support they stated bet placed with 11 mines. ( Screenshot attached)

in reality , snapshot from video bet placed with 2 mines.

This is just one bet , i have done my due dilligence on 78 more with bet archives , and found about 184 within 15 days of time , all loosing bets.

I donot know this scam is running on their backend since when.

Stake.com is really cheating its customers ever since there was 400 million dollars lawsuit filed by its one of its ex owners. now they diverting the funds to kick.com one of their streaming websites by cheating their stake.com customers.

Dear cryptogeniusdice,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with Stake Casino.

Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can better understand the situation. 

Could you please provide a few more examples of bets that are different according to the two records the casino provides?

Could you also provide an example of the bet that was recorded without issues?

Please send me the screenshots to my email at tomas@casino.guru

Could you please specify the monetary value of the 184 bets where you identified inconsistencies?

Could you please advise what the disputed amount of 30 million dollars represents in this situation?

I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.

Best regards,

Tomas

u have send you an email tomas

i have send you the email , why its not been updated mate

Thanks for your patience.

I went over the material you submitted.

Could you please explain what the Disputed amount (30,000,000 USD ) represents in this situation?

Could you please send me the .json file with the bet history and provide me a list of the 32 bets where you allege the odds were changed?

Please send me the information to my email at tomas@casino.guru

its 30,000,000 inr.

couldnt find inr as it was not alphabetically arranged.

ok i would send it to you asap. as i have go through my streaming video to get screensho5 of the bets.

Also why dont you post what i have send you on email over here.

Thanks for your reply.

I've updated the disputed amount.

You can post content here yourself if you wish.

Please note that posts containing personal information will be set to private.

I'll await your reply.

okay first thing first. Regarding the bet archive policy. They say that , they cannot store data of billions of bets in their system , as the system may crash and cost user experience , For few days I am just going through the bets through Json file and my videos which I have recorded. for a bet to be store it requires less than 1 byte, suppose they have 200 billion bets , dont have resources to store 2 terabyte of Data.

Thats strange.

Also, if there chain of bets I placed , only the manipulated bets are archived. nor the bets before that or the bets after that.

For instance.

casino:166470242105 - Lost Bet - not archived - True odds

casino:166470048942 - Lost Bet - not archived - True odds

casino:166472777287 - Lost Bet - not archived - True odds

casino:166473963112 - Lost Bet - not archived - True odds

casino:166473976786 - Lost Bet - not archived - True odds

casino:166473622269 - Lost Bet - not archived - True odds

casino:166474030950- Lost Bet - not archived - True odds

casino:166479682096 - Lost Bet - not archived - True odds

casino:166479674163 - Lost Bet - not archived - True odds

casino:166481932007 -Lost Bet -ARCHIVED - Manipulated odds

casino:166482302201 ( win and showing in the system not archived)

casino:166482500941 ( win and showing in the system not archived)

166481932007 consider this bet from above table , only this bet was archived not the bets placed before that nor after that.

its been more than 25 days for above bets.

Like this I have discovered more than 200 bets with different odds under archive. When i asked support they reffered me to techsupport@stake.com and its been more than 15 days there is no response from them.

One by one I would be uploading the betid and the screenshot of the true odds and the archive data which i have found.

Also let me know , why my email with detailed overiview regarding this scam is nit uploaded .

Both of your emails will be considered in the investigation going forward. We don't share emails we received from players publicly. If you wish to submit additional screenshots for public view you can do it directly in the thread yourself. Keep in mind that posts containing private information, such as players' email addresses, surnames etc. will be set to private and therefore will not be publicly visible.

I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Matej (matej@casino.guru) who will be at your service. I wish you the best of luck and hope the problem will be resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.  

Hello cryptogeniusdice,

I am sorry to hear about your troubles.

I would like to invite the casino representative into the case:

Dear casino representative, could you please check the case and explain to us what happened?

We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.

can you make a note casino didnt reply even though you gave them standard 7 days . also the support asks me to send email to techsupport@stake.com . its been more than a month still i havent got a reply via email.

Dear Sir,

We refer to your complaint and the shared concerns about some experiences on our platform.

We take all customer feedback seriously and are committed to addressing any issues that may arise.

It is imperative to acknowledge that every single one of our Stake Originals games (mines being of of them) meticulously adheres to the principles of the provably fair framework.

Should any doubts regarding the authenticity of your bets arise, we extend a warm welcome to authenticate them utilizing our verification tool on our platform, or alternatively, to explore analogous validation services offered by other platforms. In instances where concerns about result accuracy persist, we strongly encourage your utilization of our provably fair verification process, conveniently accessible through this link: https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/stake-verifier/. We would appreciate the specific bet information and the provided screenshots in order for us to investigate this matter further and provide a more substantive response.

In relation to the archival of bet information, all data is stored in our data base with the applicable regulations and the financial data is stored for 10 years and if further information is required of a specific bet, we suggest you to contact either support@stake.com or complaints@stake.com and they will be able to provide further information. We have attached examples of such stored data in which you claim is not archived.

In light of the above, we kindly request the additional information or evidence regarding his claim (Video Recordings; Bet Archive Screenshots or Details of other bets) so we can investigate accordingly.

Kind regards,

Stake.

investigate accordingly my ass.

https://youtu.be/I2CRY7MwlwU?si=HiYXNn_wH76TmgMZ

here watch it , your support staff themselves said there is discrepancy in bet

check for bet id 167247337064.

Also you changed the json file data. i have made a video please check

https://youtu.be/DV27LcT1aTA?si=BbIAyaNiXuYdW7A8

why only certain bets are archived from a list of bets. so that you hide your manipulation easily.

do you read what i am writing stake.com

you are giving screenshot of the bets which i mentoined were not archived , trying to deceive the readers.

find the betid 166481932007 which was archived.

and bets before that bet and after the bet is not archived.

Dear casino representative, could you please investigate the mentioned bet and explain why cryptogeniusdice is unable to locate them?

Hello, 

We refer to the above correspondence.

To assist in your clarification and understanding, for this bet at 12:02 in your video listed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2CRY7MwlwU, you are viewing this bet house:167247756848 whilst the bet you are viewing here at 13:32 is house:167247337064.

house:167247337064 was indeed placed with 2 mines (as seen below), support seem to have made an editorial error in their message to you regarding this. We apologize for the confusion there however confirm that there has been no manipulation of any sort. For further clarification, please see below the details around this bet for your clarity (IP address has been removed for privacy reasons):

{"id":"4199e11e-8861-4b8f-9b43-97ad560cd766","iid":"house:167247337064","type":"casino","scope":"house","userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","betCasino":{"id":"4199e11e-8861-4b8f-9b43-97ad560cd766","active":false,"userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","gameId":"f65ec3b7-705d-42e1-9050 d9ea6fd032b3","currency":"trx","value":0.0000165150794972,"expectedAmount":0.0000020809,"amount":0.00020809,"payoutMultiplier":0,"payout":0,"mobile":false,"serverSeedId":"c7ae0581-091f-4b85-ac5a-9e8e15c5f7b1","clientSeedId":"fc7c4338-e91f-4c13-9cdf-e4475593d7c9","nonce":544,"stateMines":{"_mines":[11,0],"rounds":[{"field":24,"payoutMultiplier":1.076086956521739},{"field":3,"payoutMultiplier":1.1739130434782608},{"field":10,"payoutMultiplier":1.2857142857142859},{"field":9,"payoutMultiplier":1.4142857142857147},{"field":11,"payoutMultiplier":0}],"minesCount":2},"updatedAt":1688820636227,"createdAt":1688820636227}}

For any further queries in relation to the above, please reach out to techsupport@stake.com, where they will be able to answer each of your queries and provide you with a data dump of all of the bets you have specified above. We have notified them of this matter and they are expecting your email. 

Regards,  

Again lies, i was talking about only one bet 167247337064.

1. do not try to deceive readers and players by popping in more extra information. Deceiving that stake.com is supportive.And giving bet id to confuse people
2. there is no talk for bet 167247756848, but still you want to quote it confuse the readers.
3. how come 2 agents in the same shift one supervisor and agent can make the same editorial mistake
4. how come since 15 th july , i have been writing to the email techsupport@stake.com i have not even received a single reply till date.
5. how comethe format archive data has changed within a month.
6. https://youtu.be/DV27LcT1aTA?si=MwI_62q6NpTPHJss in this video whic you check, the bets are giving in ceritain pattern from 3.01 to 3.39 . which means bet n and bet n+4 had same opening mines pattern or what , which is practically impossible , in return which you can see the same numbers be repeated again and again, which proves my thoery of. variable mines on the gameplay . you can view it yourself.
7. as soon as you click on the first tile reveal you can manioulate the mines according to fischer yates shuffle and generate the result.
8. the background odds are hence different registered. citing you an example of fischer yates example.
9. still you are trying to deceive the readers that stake gameplay is upon luck, you are wrong the seeds are upon luck , as soon as i choose my seed my luck is registered, and the for the 100 th millioth nonce its upon calculation . Hence you have a page for calculation for each and everynonce.
10. in this calculation you are manipulating the odds and the gameplay by slowing diwn the website by citing slow mode to confuse players for the bets . you sensors detect exact betting patterns and manipulate the bets in ehich return they are archived and you can fool the players luckliy this is just for a day worth of manipulation in July, imagine what if i try to analyse all the bets for 2 monthl
11. dont give me bullshit of techsupport@stake.com , they never reply i am trying to get hold of them since 15 th july and there is no acknowlegment and then you will cite an example of email blunder or as in such.

Also, i wanted to ask the above questions to stake.com. also they havent answered my previous question regardign manipulation of bets.

in set of bets, why only one bet in the middle is archived , nor the bet below or after that. ?

Hello cryptogeniusdice,

I apologize for the delay. I was reviewing all your videos and discussions regarding your findings (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461706.20).

Firstly, I would like to address your accusation of bet manipulation by Stake.com. However, based on your findings, this seems highly unlikely.

If we consider how game Mines works, as you already know:

The numbers where the mines are located are generated before you start picking fields, and after the game ends, you can verify the result.

As someone from the forum has already pointed out, if you discover that you burst on a number that is not marked with a bomb in the gerated file, it would indicate manipulation.

Now, let's revisit your findings:

You mentioned finding a pattern in one of your JSON files. Could you please share this file with us? (matej@casino.guru) Despite our previous request, no one has had the opportunity to investigate the file yet.

You mentioned that you were unable to find some bets. The casino has already provided the results for one or two missing bets, correct?

Could you please explain to me how the casino could benefit from this situation?

Let's assume they change the pattern of generated numbers for the one you found, so that in every round, the bombs are placed on the same numbers. If players discover this (which they eventually would), then everyone would be playing a 24 mines game and always hitting the same empty spot, right?

If the casino changes the file with the bomb numbers, anyone using the verification tool would see that the file is corrupt. If the casino lets you burst on an empty place, you would also see it when using the verification tool. So please explain to me how you believe the casino manipulates the bets and why. From what I see here, it seems that there may be some incorrect data in the archive, and I am willing to investigate it further.

One more thing, because I have seen your style of writing on Bitcointalk, I want to warn you that we have a zero-tolerance policy towards abusive language and profanity. Please refrain from such practices or your complain will be rejected and you may be banned from our platform.

If you want to prove that the bets are manipulated, I suggest you start recording your playing and verify each bet. That would provide solid proof if you find anything.

yes , i would . But before that please provide me the answers for this 11 questions , and what about the slow mode where the stats and balance do not update.

i have asked you those 11 questions first please reply to that.

I would like to respond to your message, but only points 3, 4, and 5 are questions. To answer them, I need to review the file from July.

Let me simplify your case to help clarify the situation. Imagine you are an auditor at a small store, and during your audit, you realize that there should be 10 boxes of Coca-Cola, but you can only find 6 boxes. Logically, this means that 4 boxes are missing. However, when you check the finances, everything seems to be correct. Does this mean someone is stealing from the store? No. After completing the audit, you discover that instead of missing 4 boxes of Coca-Cola, you found 4 extra boxes of Fanta (both have the same price). This indicates that someone made an error in the records and entered the wrong data.

What I'm trying to say is that the numbers for the Mines game are generated before the game starts. It is impossible to change them once the game begins or generate them dynamically, as you suggested.

It is more likely that you encountered an error in the archive. However, if the casino is paying your winnings correctly and when you verify the game, everything appears to be in order, then it is not appropriate to claim manipulation.

I would like to ask if you have experienced a situation where you lost many times in a row, even though it is highly unlikely. For instance, if you played 100 times in a row in July and lost every single time with a game involving 2 mines, uncovering only a few places.

The main issue I see is that all your recordings are from the archive and not from actual gameplay. We cannot investigate your case when you are not providing us the key evidence. Without the file, we cannot proceed, and your complaint will be rejected.

I would like to request an explanation from the casino representative regarding why cryptogeniusdice found a pattern in the logs from July.

Update:

Point 11: I received an answer from techsupport@stake.com 34 minutes after I sent them a message.

like you gave a coca cola boxes example. i am the one who is keeping the record. or is it stake.com . why to archive only specific bets . not bets before that or after that.

error in archive really see this video.

https://youtu.be/DV27LcT1aTA?si=5gN5MlrhNkTQ2mh1

where each bet had same pattern in the mines games. check 3.00 to 3.59.

ok i can understand one person in their team can ake a error for reporting bet . not 2 agents and one supervisor.

https://youtu.be/I2CRY7MwlwU?si=EzxoFHHtXmkLepnP

https://youtu.be/h1xy7S5FI3w?si=h7FIcwUXljvxA87A

i am sending you 3 files on archove via email. check n then get back to me

for the first one can you let me know how the archive file has or have same pattern on reporting more than 100s of bet

Hello cryptogeniusdice,

Since Tuesday, when I first contacted techsupport@stake.com, I have been in daily communication with them. The support team has been responding promptly, and I am confident that they will be able to address your questions. Today, the support team informed me that they have not received any responses from you regarding the additional data they requested to help resolve your issue.

I kindly ask you to cooperate with the support team as they have the best resources and knowledge to explain the issues you are facing. 

In the meantime, we are conducting our own investigation, and once the techsupport team reaches a conclusion, we will be able to verify it.

I hope that you agree with this process, and let's remain hopeful that we can provide a clear explanation and resolve any doubts.

please attach the email which i send you over here.

I have send them message since 29 th july they have not responded me till now. day beofre yesterday when i send them messages they replied.

please attach all my emails to this post. as i think the email details are not yet attached here and chances here are you might be covering their agenda.

I have provided you youtube vidoes ,link and eveything . even stake support is bullshit ovr here with some different bet id rather the bet id given by me . which is quoted above .

Dont try to move off the topic regarding the bets placed. can you explain why in those file , all bets had same tiles where there were no bombs in pattern.

https://youtu.be/DV27LcT1aTA?si=Rv9J3JlZ9Bkl73Zs

this is the video link

Like i said dont divert off topic, how can two support agents and a supervisor make editorial error . All of 3 people .

all of three people have got the same data hence they conveyed the message to me.

Also i request you to attach you my all mail chains on this topic as I am thinking we are starting to go a little off topic here

I apologize, cryptogeniusdice, but what specific off-topic matter are you referring to?

Are you suggesting that it is off-topic for me to mention that Stake tech support is promptly responding and investigating your issue, and that we also intend to conduct our own independent investigation?

I fail to see how any of this is off-topic. However, you did mention in your email that we are attempting to conceal something and collaborating with stake.com, even though we have not drawn any conclusions or presented any findings from our investigation.

Please be patient and wait until we finish our investigation. Telling every second day how everybody is against you is very counterproductive.

I received the data from Stake.com and asked similar questions as cryptogeniusdice.

Dear casino representative, could you please explain here what I asked and how we should interpret the data you posted to bring clarity to the case.

Thanks.

Also , not posting the email threads and data is against your website .

your website advertises to investigate against claims against casino . but from your last 6 post its looking like you are acting like a spokepersons for the casino.

Giving in detail about casino.

you speaking behalf of casino is the off topic matter.

why to have a sham business , when you are speaking behalf of casino.

one more question how can 3 representatives make editorial error.

the support team is just like terrorist just programmed to bullshit , each and eveyr time.

And i have no hopes with casino.guru as well as you are speaking on behalf of casino.

lets us take an scenario . i am platinum 3 , i wagered 5 k for last 3 weeks, my weekly bonus was 1700 Inr more or less....

this week i wagred 22,000 lowerside and my weekly bonus is 3500 .

if you wager 4 times the amount , the weekly just increase twice. what a bullshit ......

i am playing more and more so that i can record evidences and litigate them in every each and every way.

isntead of sending videos and videos of proof and the data as well, there is no response.

also both of you are diverting from the topic.

giving false betid , betid which i never mentoined to confuse the readers.

and Matej, instead of investigating you are being the spoke person on behalf of the casino.

when 3 people of the casino said the odds were 11 , they might be viewing the same data and giving me the result.

still you guys quote this as editorial error.

how it can be editorial when he copy pasted the entire iteration in the chat

also , they have deleted the correspondence of the agent with me for the that iteration, but however i have a full video on youtube . they think we are fools. but not .any chats before 6 weeks i am unable to view.

Tip: they should create a archive for this week , when they are creating the archive for the rigged bets

also why do they deleted my chats of july from the system. i do have the recording . but is it ethical to delete the chats in the system.

i have less hope from casino.guru as well. as you can the amount of negative star for this website stake.com on this portal and still no one has put in the complaint. keep working on the good books. when your 7 days reply time is over you will again give casino 7 day reply time.

like this 45 days, have passed and still both casino giving lame excuses and confusing people with giving wrong bet ids. to just show that they are genuine.

till now my Questions have not been answered it yet.

1.How can three supervisor and agents can make the same mistake of editorial error Regarding the same bet ID.

2.For the second video how each and every bet have the same pattern of mine opening, When the bomb opening mine is given on the json format.

3- The details showed by the chat for the bet id was different including the bet id menotined, now the casino is giving here a different iteration.

4 - why to delete chats where your agent made so called editorial error. if i didnt had the recording , then you would be blaming me for this.

1. bonus error website error website slow mode and bullshit are all technical errors. but the above things are scams amd basically a coverup by stake.com

till now no reply just merry go round round by the casino.

Dear Sir,

Firstly, we would like to note that the references and derogatory statements made towards our staff will not be tolerated and that the references made should not be used in any circumstances.

In relation to the contents of the complaint, our Tech Support team has confirmed that there is no pattern in any evidence provided whatsoever.

In the period in question, specifically throughout the video found here: https://youtu.be/DV27LcT1aTA?si=5gN5MlrhNkTQ2mh1, the field "stateMines_rounds_field" refers to the actual fields present on the board and the column next to it, being the payout multiplier, is when there is a mine present on that field.

As you will be able to see, the fields on the board (for the chosen bets you have displayed between 3:00 - 3:30) the fields are the same (being the fields present on the board) yet the multipliers vary, displaying clearly the lack of pattern for the multipliers.

"stateMines_rounds_field" is nested, so the "rounds_fields" is a nested array in the "stateMines" and as you will be able to tell, in the other data throughout the video, you should only see the fields selected. Although the layout of this json data is slightly different, there is still no evidence of any bet manipulation in which you claim.

Due to the lack of evidence and unsubstantiated claims, we kindly request that you correspond with techsupport@stkake.com who will be able to provide you with any further information you seek and that Casino Guru close this complaint.

Regards

Again I am emphasizing , when i am talking about facts , you want to close the ticket.

I want these questions to be answered by stake.com

like this 45 days, have passed and still both casino giving lame excuses and confusing people with giving wrong bet ids. to just show that they are genuine.

till now my Questions have not been answered it yet.

1.How can three supervisor and agents can make the same mistake of editorial error Regarding the same bet ID.

2.For the second video how each and every bet have the same pattern of mine opening, When the bomb opening mine is given on the json format.

3- The details showed by the chat for the bet id was different including the bet id menotined, now the casino is giving here a different iteration.

4 - why to delete chats where your agent made so called editorial error. if i didnt had the recording , then you would be blaming me for this.

bonus error website error website slow mode and bullshit are all technical errors. but the above things are scams amd basically a coverup by stake.com

for the video , for the class all the numbers are repeated. you can check for the class.

stake.com have not answer above listed questions, and to close this investigatiom. what a cover up. and just playing merry go around.

if you could delete the chats where 3 of your agents given the correct iteration by quoting you cant see derogatory statments and delete my chats.

this means you are trying to cover up the mess. why dont you make public the chat comtents.

here is the video attached and the link to view the iteration of the bet given by support.

https://youtu.be/I2CRY7MwlwU?si=HmRQnLQ9Kl8sm-RT

in this video they gave me the information , that the bet which i placed with 2 mines is been registered as 11 mines. with the iteration. which stake.com deleted the chats on the website.

now stake.com would take another 5 days to reply on this post. and still be ducking my questions. putting over information so that people may get confused over and over again .hence i am attaching screenshot.

if they want to play like this i would be more than happy to ask questions again and again , until my questions not been answered . as the website registeration is completely bogus and without any governing authority they are scamming people and hence they were banned on twitch.

clearly stake.com has deleted the chat in ehich the correct iteration for the bet in question is placed but i have a recording of all their support conversations. how 3 employess of stake.com for a bet give the data they were placed on 11 mines , while it was placed by 2 . and why would stake.com would delete those chats just to coverup .

https://youtu.be/I2CRY7MwlwU?si=HmRQnLQ9Kl8sm-RT

the above link consist of chat with support and the iteration for bet 167247337064 which 3 agent of stake.com stated with iteration that it was placed by 11 mines with the details of class for the same bet.

and stake.com deleted those chats to coverup this.

At first they said it was editorial error. so why they need to delete it .

Also, Matej this is the proof , techsupport@stake.com never replies . so stop speaking on casinos behalf that they reply within minutes.

there is no technicallity with tech support . i m depositing and still playing to expose all the malpractices done by stake.com .

5 days and they are still sleeping on techsupport@stake.com and they want me to contact them there......hahahahaah

thee is absolutely you cannot win or make a fair bet on mines, i have clicked and concluded that they manipulate the bets in the background , hence there was a pattern for many bets irrespective of how many bets you have . Again the casino have gone silent.

They manipulate with your gameplay on mines and call it provably fair.

they archive the bets, which they manipulate giving excuses they cant store much data here.

if you are depositing money on this website, its better tk burn it . as they have started downgrading peoples gameplay as well. their website freezes and they call it slow mode.

they delete chats , where they claim it was editorial error by 3 people of their staff. while the staff copy pastd the whole iteration of the bet in the chat.

so, how not stake.com is not manipulating and spreading the false propoganda that they are provably fair and fair gambling website.

Also, they belong to family of cheaters.

the cofounders father is convicted and faced sentence in 1999 for Australian Stock Market scams and cheated a thousands of people.

Likewise , the son is cheating to millions of people.

They are fraudelent business operating from Curcao , where there is not

gambling authority .A country whose population is less than 1/1000 of my city's population and they advised that every thing is fair and square on this website.

they have still not answered me how three people for a bet can make a editorial error, if the mines was orignally placed for 2 bet and they gave the details with the bet id in the chat for 11 mines. which in turn they deleted the chat for the support .

Even when they though , they can manipulate with me with the words , they started quoting wrong information so that they can show the world and the readers how fair and square they are. But they are not . Truth doesnt require a spokesperson or a PR or a marketing agency to represent them .

and right now they are dead and wont reply via email or nor here , as they simply want to waste time for the claim.

And even casino.guru is extending their days and days for reply. and advocating on behalf of them . and right now they assigned the ticket to them , so that they cannot reply .

And matej its been 8 days still i havent got any reply from techsupport@stake.com , so please stop spreading fakse information on behalf of the website.

and also tag the post which you tagged as sensitive information as public, even the readers should know what BS stake.com have replied on my claim

Hello cryptogeniusdice,

I have completed my investigation and would like to share my findings with you:

The mysterious pattern you found in one of your logs is actually your own betting pattern.

On that particular day, you were trying to uncover all the fields except for the two mines by hitting the fields in a certain pattern. You did this consistently, and at least once, you achieved a 99 times multiplier.

Initially, I attempted to convert your logs as you did. However, different programs display logs differently, so I started working with .json files.

Here are two of your game rounds (I have hidden the IP):

{"id":"827819c9-5d9b-4579-a88c-befc0fa54e99","ip":"XXX.YYY.ZZZ.AAA","iid":"house:167250384449","type":"casino","nonce":602,"value":0.0000132,"active":false,"amount":0.0000132,"gameId":"f65ec3b7-705d-42e1-9050-d9ea6fd032b3","mobile":false,"payout":0,"userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","currency":"usdc","gameName":"mines","createdAt":1688821605532,"updatedAt":1688821605532,"clientSeed":"O1zKuEp8081boobs","stateMines":{"_mines":[3,7],"rounds":[{"field":23,"payoutMultiplier":1.076086956521739},{"field":18,"payoutMultiplier":1.1739130434782608},{"field":13,"payoutMultiplier":1.2857142857142858},{"field":5,"payoutMultiplier":1.4142857142857146},{"field":6,"payoutMultiplier":1.5631578947368425},{"field":0,"payoutMultiplier":1.7368421052631584},{"field":1,"payoutMultiplier":1.941176470588236},{"field":2,"payoutMultiplier":2.1838235294117654},{"field":3,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":4,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":9,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":7,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":11,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":12,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":14,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":24,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":17,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":16,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":15,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":21,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":22,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":20,"payoutMultiplier":0}],"minesCount":2},"clientSeedId":"fc7c4338-e91f-4c13-9cdf-e4475593d7c9","serverSeedId":"c7ae0581-091f-4b85-ac5a-9e8e15c5f7b1","expectedAmount":1.3200000000000002e-7,"serverSeedHash":"aff867a8be94f30f5bd66c7bbf0fa7a85e1c10b187c22fddb93b5efe807cc4e7","payoutMultiplier":0},

{"id":"a0de0826-86c5-482b-bed3-7ca0b0a565cb","ip":"XXX.YYY.ZZZ.AAA","iid":"house:167250389336","type":"casino","nonce":603,"value":0.0000132,"active":false,"amount":0.0000132,"gameId":"f65ec3b7-705d-42e1-9050-d9ea6fd032b3","mobile":false,"payout":0.0013068000000000005,"userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","currency":"usdc","gameName":"mines","createdAt":1688821607142,"updatedAt":1688821607142,"clientSeed":"O1zKuEp8081boobs","stateMines":{"_mines":[19,10],"rounds":[{"field":23,"payoutMultiplier":1.076086956521739},{"field":18,"payoutMultiplier":1.1739130434782608},{"field":13,"payoutMultiplier":1.2857142857142858},{"field":5,"payoutMultiplier":1.4142857142857146},{"field":6,"payoutMultiplier":1.5631578947368425},{"field":0,"payoutMultiplier":1.7368421052631584},{"field":1,"payoutMultiplier":1.941176470588236},{"field":2,"payoutMultiplier":2.1838235294117654},{"field":3,"payoutMultiplier":2.4750000000000005},{"field":4,"payoutMultiplier":2.828571428571429},{"field":9,"payoutMultiplier":3.263736263736264},{"field":7,"payoutMultiplier":3.8076923076923084},{"field":11,"payoutMultiplier":4.500000000000001},{"field":12,"payoutMultiplier":5.400000000000001},{"field":14,"payoutMultiplier":6.600000000000002},{"field":24,"payoutMultiplier":8.250000000000004},{"field":17,"payoutMultiplier":10.607142857142863},{"field":16,"payoutMultiplier":14.14285714285715},{"field":15,"payoutMultiplier":19.800000000000008},{"field":21,"payoutMultiplier":29.70000000000001},{"field":22,"payoutMultiplier":49.50000000000002},{"field":20,"payoutMultiplier":99.00000000000004}],"minesCount":2},"clientSeedId":"fc7c4338-e91f-4c13-9cdf-e4475593d7c9","serverSeedId":"c7ae0581-091f-4b85-ac5a-9e8e15c5f7b1","expectedAmount":1.3200000000000002e-7,"serverSeedHash":"aff867a8be94f30f5bd66c7bbf0fa7a85e1c10b187c22fddb93b5efe807cc4e7","payoutMultiplier":99},

Important parameters in the log are "stateMines":{"_mines":[19,10] - here as you can see this parameter shows where the mines are.

rounds - this parameter shows how you uncover the fileds and how your multiplier increases.

As you can see the mines we always on different positions and the repeated number pattern was a result of your own strategy in hitting the fields. I trust that this clarifies any doubts regarding the fairness of the game. It would be greatly appreciated if you could apologize to the casino representative and remove all your videos. If you have any further inquiries, please feel free to ask.

probably your investigation , is not correct. you are just making casino look like better by providing one of max bet and random entry from the file given to me .

so , apart from all this questions i have few more questions which need to be answered.

1. why my few of the messages which do not contain my personal information are awaiting confirmation to display the message on this post .
2. i never play to open the all the tiles, yes the max win was by me but why all the same patterns for nonces . i play money bets manually and 0 bets to burn nonces
3. why the data entry of one json files vary from others, they can change the archive bets format too. thank you for verifying.
4. so you are saying the stateMines_rounds_field in one of the archive file is totally different than all the files, its lame.
5. why my format for other bets shows like this....

{"id":"02c16722-e0de-4ae0-8c4e-abd1234f1aa7","ip":"Stopcoveringforstake","iid":"house:168852513022","type":"casino","nonce":2696,"value":0,"active":false,"amount":0,"gameId":"f65ec3b7-705d-42e1-9050-d9ea6fd032b3","mobile":false,"payout":0,"userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","currency":"trx","gameName":"mines","createdAt":1689559000692,"updatedAt":1689559004754,"clientSeed":"O1zKuEp8081boobs","stateMines":{"_mines":[0,24,4,8,14,1,9,15,16,10],"rounds":[{"field":2,"payoutMultiplier":1.6500000000000001},{"field":15,"payoutMultiplier":0}],"minesCount":10},"clientSeedId":"fc7c4338-e91f-4c13-9cdf-e4475593d7c9","serverSeedId":"c7ae0581-091f-4b85-ac5a-9e8e15c5f7b1","expectedAmount":0,"serverSeedHash":"aff867a8be94f30f5bd66c7bbf0fa7a85e1c10b187c22fddb93b5efe807cc4e7","payoutMultiplier":0},

i hope you have not played stake for a while , when you click on a bomb the game expires.

so you are quoting that their system is generated in such a way that they can change the winning and edit the archive.

And last and not the least , stake.com and casino.guru , i have caight collabrating you with stake.com coverup.

as you have choosen only thise bets which are archvied. as its impossible to view

Hence casino.guru i have proved that stake.com manipulates the bet as they delete the bets claiming it to be archived and then change the iteration if bets placed in the system. only they have the control.

sincere apologies if you are not .

but you will use my wrong example explaining that stake.com is genuine but its not. you are not publishing my messages kn this thread .

how two different json file have different iterations for bet.

Answer following questions as i believe your investigation is highly biased towards stake.com , and i am putting a video on youtube about this,

1. from that archive file show me bets , which were not archived. as it easy for you to say thats its archived and you cannot view the bets.
2. and last and not the least why to archive bets . only middle bets are archived nor bets before that not bets after that.
3. how 3 people on stake.com can make same editorial mistake with the correct betid and point out 11 mines for a bet of 2 mines.
4. how come different json file have different format of entry from the computer system and have a totally different iteration.
5. why my responses to this thread are not public even thiugh my public information is not visible then too.
6. please stop collabrating with stake.com, as earlier you have been a non official spokeperson form stake.com, then you tried to coverup their responses when they were not responsive. and for the bets out of thousands bets file which i have given you you picked up the archvie bets.
7. you are not making my one line messages which do not contain any of my personal information not public inorder to make just look the casino good.
8. why did casino deleted my agent chat for which i bave the video for.

you also said techsupport@stake.com replies within 37 mintues but there is no response to me still now.

and if you think that i am lying or i am trying to deceive others check the message iteration for bet.

this above iteration for the bet was submitted bystake .com where there is no pattern only tiles which i opened.

whereas hyou here show all the tiles , which were 0 multiplier for multile tiles more than 2 a s0ecific pattern.

if you had ever paid mines , once yoou click on mines your game is offically over.

hence proved at the back end thesystem is registering different odds.

so stake.com submitted a 4 week ago for the bet the iteration . for betid :167247337064

{"id":"4199e11e-8861-4b8f-9b43-97ad560cd766","iid":"house:167247337064","type":"casino","scope":"house","userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","betCasino":{"id":"4199e11e-8861-4b8f-9b43-97ad560cd766","active":false,"userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","gameId":"f65ec3b7-705d-42e1-9050 d9ea6fd032b3","currency":"trx","value":0.0000165150794972,"expectedAmount":0.0000020809,"amount":0.00020809,"payoutMultiplier":0,"payout":0,"mobile":false,"serverSeedId":"c7ae0581-091f-4b85-ac5a-9e8e15c5f7b1","clientSeedId":"fc7c4338-e91f-4c13-9cdf-e4475593d7c9","nonce":544,"stateMines":{"_mines":[11,0],"rounds":[{"field":24,"payoutMultiplier":1.076086956521739},{"field":3,"payoutMultiplier":1.1739130434782608},{"field":10,"payoutMultiplier":1.2857142857142859},{"field":9,"payoutMultiplier":1.4142857142857147},{"field":11,"payoutMultiplier":0}],"minesCount":2},"updatedAt":1688820636227,"createdAt":1688820636227}}

while for betid : 167250384449

"id":"827819c9-5d9b-4579-a88c-befc0fa54e99","ip":"XXX.YYY.ZZZ.AAA","iid":"house:167250384449","type":"casino","nonce":602,"value":0.0000132,"active":false,"amount":0.0000132,"gameId":"f65ec3b7-705d-42e1-9050-d9ea6fd032b3","mobile":false,"payout":0,"userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","currency":"usdc","gameName":"mines","createdAt":1688821605532,"updatedAt":1688821605532,"clientSeed":"O1zKuEp8081boobs","stateMines":{"_mines":[3,7],"rounds":[{"field":23,"payoutMultiplier":1.076086956521739},{"field":18,"payoutMultiplier":1.1739130434782608},{"field":13,"payoutMultiplier":1.2857142857142858},{"field":5,"payoutMultiplier":1.4142857142857146},{"field":6,"payoutMultiplier":1.5631578947368425},{"field":0,"payoutMultiplier":1.7368421052631584},{"field":1,"payoutMultiplier":1.941176470588236},{"field":2,"payoutMultiplier":2.1838235294117654},{"field":3,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":4,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":9,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":7,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":11,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":12,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":14,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":24,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":17,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":16,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":15,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":21,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":22,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":20,"payoutMultiplier":0}],"minesCount":2},"clientSeedId":"fc7c4338-e91f-4c13-9cdf-e4475593d7c9","serverSeedId":"c7ae0581-091f-4b85-ac5a-9e8e15c5f7b1","expectedAmount":1.3200000000000002e-7,"serverSeedHash":"aff867a8be94f30f5bd66c7bbf0fa7a85e1c10b187c22fddb93b5efe807cc4e7","payoutMultiplier":0},

both the above bets are archived and both are loosing cause and both with 2 mines

if you had ever played stake mines you would come to know once you click on mine your game is over

so how come there is so much different in iteration for different feild.so for 2 mines for the bet 167250384449 there were chances of getting a loss more than 2.

hence i have proved stake.com is manipulating and please dont try to cover this , as i have already made a video of all the conversation i have will make it public.

you didnt investigate properly , bet id archive is done by the sytem . for a same game and same odds how the iterations are different.

clearly stake.com manipulates the bet.

why to delete the chats.

stop covering for stake.com , let stake.com acknowledge my claim or give them a negative rating. and please stop collabrating with the casino as in my previous message you can see whats different and you have not made my previous messages as public. also for the non public messges which are waiting confirmation i have recorded a video took snapshot , as i m in doubt you are covering for stake.com .

check my previous message you can see that tehy have manipulated the odds

Dear cryptogeniusdice,

In both of your pictures, everything is correct. I don't know if you ever read a log, if you don't want to see it or if you are unable to do so.

So one more time, I will explain to you:

"id":"827819c9-5d9b-4579-a88c-befc0fa54e99","ip":"XXX.YYY.ZZZ.AAA","iid":"house:167250384449","type":"casino","nonce":602,"value":0.0000132,"active":false,"amount":0.0000132,"gameId":"f65ec3b7-705d-42e1-9050-d9ea6fd032b3","mobile":false,"payout":0,"userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","currency":"usdc","gameName":"mines","createdAt":1688821605532,"updatedAt":1688821605532,"clientSeed":"O1zKuEp8081boobs",

"stateMines":{"_mines":[3,7], : here you can see the position of the mines

"rounds":[ this is your betting pattern - now lets suppose you bet 1$

{"field":23,"payoutMultiplier":1.076086956521739}, you uncovered field 23 and now you have 1.076$

{"field":18,"payoutMultiplier":1.1739130434782608}, you uncovered field 18 and now you have 1.17$

{"field":13,"payoutMultiplier":1.2857142857142858}, you uncovered field 13 and now you have 1.28$

{"field":5,"payoutMultiplier":1.4142857142857146}, you uncovered field 5 and now you have 1.41$

{"field":6,"payoutMultiplier":1.5631578947368425}, you uncovered field 6 and now you have 1.56$

{"field":0,"payoutMultiplier":1.7368421052631584}, you uncovered field 0 and now you have 1.73$

{"field":1,"payoutMultiplier":1.941176470588236}, you uncovered field 1 and now you have 1.94$

{"field":2,"payoutMultiplier":2.1838235294117654}, you uncovered field 2 and now you have 2.18$

{"field":3,"payoutMultiplier":0}, BUUM you hit the mine on field 3 - you have 0

{"field":4,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":9,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":7,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":11,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":12,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":14,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":24,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":17,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":16,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":15,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":21,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":22,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":20,"payoutMultiplier":0}],"minesCount":2},"clientSeedId":"fc7c4338-e91f-4c13-9cdf-e4475593d7c9","serverSeedId":"c7ae0581-091f-4b85-ac5a-9e8e15c5f7b1","expectedAmount":1.3200000000000002e-7,"serverSeedHash":"aff867a8be94f30f5bd66c7bbf0fa7a85e1c10b187c22fddb93b5efe807cc4e7","payoutMultiplier":0},

Sorry, what is so hard to understand on this log? As you can see from every round, the numbers (payout multipliers) are the same, but mines positions are always different.

So please, tell me where do you see the manipulation?

explain me the first iteration, how come they have two different iteration for a bet which is recorded in system. still you are covering for stake.com mate like it was in reviews even you are spreading false information to readers. i undertand the propganda . i am posting this on linkedin on your teams professional network. thanks also stake.com professional network

if you wanted to compare the bets explain the two betid having very twi different iteration.

if you say that the system records the bets , so how come one system has recordeed the bet with different format , and a different format for another bet.

here compare these two {"id":"4199e11e-8861-4b8f-9b43-97ad560cd766","iid":"house:167247337064","type":"casino","scope":"house","userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","betCasino":{"id":"4199e11e-8861-4b8f-9b43-97ad560cd766","active":false,"userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","gameId":"f65ec3b7-705d-42e1-9050 d9ea6fd032b3","currency":"trx","value":0.0000165150794972,"expectedAmount":0.0000020809,"amount":0.00020809,"payoutMultiplier":0,"payout":0,"mobile":false,"serverSeedId":"c7ae0581-091f-4b85-ac5a-9e8e15c5f7b1","clientSeedId":"fc7c4338-e91f-4c13-9cdf-e4475593d7c9","nonce":544,"stateMines":{"_mines":[11,0],"rounds":[{"field":24,"payoutMultiplier":1.076086956521739},{"field":3,"payoutMultiplier":1.1739130434782608},{"field":10,"payoutMultiplier":1.2857142857142859},{"field":9,"payoutMultiplier":1.4142857142857147},{"field":11,"payoutMultiplier":0}],"minesCount":2},"updatedAt":1688820636227,"createdAt":1688820636227}}

while for betid : 167250384449

"id":"827819c9-5d9b-4579-a88c-befc0fa54e99","ip":"XXX.YYY.ZZZ.AAA","iid":"house:167250384449","type":"casino","nonce":602,"value":0.0000132,"active":false,"amount":0.0000132,"gameId":"f65ec3b7-705d-42e1-9050-d9ea6fd032b3","mobile":false,"payout":0,"userId":"c3299987-21b5-49ef-bb2b-92a8512912b1","currency":"usdc","gameName":"mines","createdAt":1688821605532,"updatedAt":1688821605532,"clientSeed":"O1zKuEp8081boobs","stateMines":{"_mines":[3,7],"rounds":[{"field":23,"payoutMultiplier":1.076086956521739},{"field":18,"payoutMultiplier":1.1739130434782608},{"field":13,"payoutMultiplier":1.2857142857142858},{"field":5,"payoutMultiplier":1.4142857142857146},{"field":6,"payoutMultiplier":1.5631578947368425},{"field":0,"payoutMultiplier":1.7368421052631584},{"field":1,"payoutMultiplier":1.941176470588236},{"field":2,"payoutMultiplier":2.1838235294117654},{"field":3,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":4,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":9,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":7,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":11,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":12,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":14,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":24,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":17,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":16,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":15,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":21,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":22,"payoutMultiplier":0},{"field":20,"payoutMultiplier":0}],"minesCount":2},"clientSeedId":"fc7c4338-e91f-4c13-9cdf-e4475593d7c9","serverSeedId":"c7ae0581-091f-4b85-ac5a-9e8e15c5f7b1","expectedAmount":1.3200000000000002e-7,"serverSeedHash":"aff867a8be94f30f5bd66c7bbf0fa7a85e1c10b187c22fddb93b5efe807cc4e7","payoutMultiplier":0},

both were given you and stake.com , both have different format .

and still you are collabrating with stake.com

and still my 3 days ago message is waiting for appproval , so please dont try to cover.

i have more experience than you regarding playing on stake.com

and probably stake.com has more experience scamming the people

and your website has more experience on covering up to generate your revenue.

I just wanted to clarify the difference between the two logs. The only distinction is that one is a short form log while the other is a full log. The parameters remain the same, but the log I posted includes information that the other fields have a 0 multiplier after you hit mine. It seems that you are unable to comprehend my previous message. There is nothing malicious in these logs, and your accusations are unfounded. Instead of searching for nonexistent patterns in the logs, I suggest you create videos and examples using live data and verify the results using verification tools. For further clarification, please refer to the following links:

1. Implementation details: [https://stake.com/provably-fair/implementation](https://stake.com/provably-fair/implementation)

2. Conversions: [https://stake.com/provably-fair/conversions](https://stake.com/provably-fair/conversions)

3. Explanations about game events: [https://stake.com/provably-fair/game-events](https://stake.com/provably-fair/game-events)

4. Example calculation: [https://stake.com/provably-fair/calculation?game=mines](https://stake.com/provably-fair/calculation?game=mines)

Stake also provides a link to a third-party verification tool: [https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/stake-verifier/](https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/stake-verifier/). If you encounter any incorrect results using this tool, please submit a complaint. I am tired to repeatedly explain to you the basic concepts . Regardless of what I say or do, you will continue to find faults and make baseless assumptions. (for example because one your message was left 3 days as waiting on approval) I have other cases where players genuinely require my assistance, and I am unwilling to spend more time on this obvious matter.

see again you are providing more information and trying to deceive the readers. however i wont fall for it .

when i asked for casino iteration on the archive file you are giving me example of provably fair implemetation and copy paste the details regarding provably fair and calculation.

FYI , under calculations. for mines the last line written is using fischer yaes shuffle algo the results are obatined and there is no calculation at all for that.

my thing is very simple , both the bet id summary were given by you , and both have a lot of difference. one has details of mines which were not been opened while i lost the other has details till mines which i have lost.

there is no short version except for where the ip was removed voluntary in order to hide my personal information , but both the iteration registered in the system are different.

I am not talking about the data but the format.

oh wow , sarcasam over here. Your job is here to investigate the claims and you dont even do the research just giving clean sheet to stake.com.

you think provablyfair.me is a third partywebsite then you are wrong. it is not a third party website .

Stake.com CEO runs the operation Mebit . and the website belongs to them .

Get your facts straight, I agressively feel that you are trying to cover up this so badly that you are giving all the false infomation yourself. all the stake.com suppport agents are orignally from MEBiT

So stop living in denial , regarding stake.com .

check both the iteration the one given by you again and the one given by stake.com a part from ip there is a hell lot of a difference in the format and the game rules.

both the screenshot do not divulge any personal information . so i request you to make it public about what you posted and what stake.com posted.

also still i havent got answers regarding

1. how two agents and supervisor provided the same information as the bet registered with 11 mines , when i placed it with just 2.
2. why did stake.com deleted my chats with their agent for which i nave recordings for
3. why did you claim that techsupport@stake.com replies within 37 minutes , while i have still not got any reply since 11 days , i have attached screenshot on previous post.
4. even if you give both the iteration to 4 grade kid even he would be able to point out the difference, hence why are you covering for stake.com.