HomeComplaintsKing Billy Casino (Malta) - Player has been struggling to withdraw his winnings.

King Billy Casino (Malta) - Player has been struggling to withdraw his winnings.

Amount: €10,000

King Billy Casino (Malta)
Safety Index:Very high
Submitted: 25 Jun 2021 | Case closed : 23 Jul 2021
Case closed Our verdict

Unjustified complaint

REJECTED

Case summary

2 years ago

The player from Germany has been experiencing difficulties withdrawing his funds. Subsequently, all the funds were played and lost regardless of set limits and reality check. After a closer examination, we ended up rejecting this complaint as unjustified.

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2 years ago
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I deposited money in the above casino based on the recommendation of their site.

I was able to win over € 10,000 and wanted to withdraw this from me.

The operators of the casino have repeatedly canceled my payout, claiming I have to fully verify myself.

Since we already have the first point, because why can I deposit but then not withdraw it ?! After waiting 2 days, I dealt with the support, who then claimed I had to verify my Skrill account even though I had done all the verification. I replied that this was not possible, because I cannot get this data due to my broken cell phone which is under repair.

Okay, I thought to myself, then I'll play until I've clarified this with Skrill, for this reason I continued to play, but set myself limits and activated the reality check so that I can't gamble everything away again.

I was staying with a friend at the time who can even confirm this. So I put the game on autostart, despite the limit and the reality check, I was able to downplay everything because neither one nor the other appeared at all.


I ask you to find a common solution with the online casino with me, because after all I made use of their services and they should also offer me a functioning service.


With best regards

Nils-Christoph B ***

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2 years ago

Dear Nils-Christoph,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your withdrawal issue.

Please understand that KYC is a very important and essential process, during which the casino makes sure that the money is sent to the rightful owner. As they don't have the luxury of being able to physically see all of the players and check their identification and documents, this is the only way gambling establishments are able to complete the verification procedures. None of the serious and licensed casinos takes KYC lightly and it might take a few working days to complete this thorough process.

 

Could you please forward any supporting evidence regarding set limits and reality check? My email address is petronela.k@casino.guru. Have you set them up inside your account or they have been requested through Customer Support?

I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

Petronela

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2 years ago
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Yes, I have activated this in my account, you can see this clearly from the pictures I have sent you.


Enclosed I would like to refer to your KYC that a copy of the identity card, as well as a picture next to it and an account statement should be more than enough to make sure that it is a real person.


Have a nice Sunday

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2 years ago
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Additional comments from the player:


"As you can see, a reality check was set, as well as a limit that was no longer displayed to me now and after I played. But I can have this attested by a friend who saw that I had activated everything."


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2 years ago

Thank you, Nils-Christoph, for your reply. Could you please specify which exact limit you have set up?

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2 years ago
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Hello, yes, I have set a loss limit of € 2000.

As you can see, this is no longer even displayed, but I think that is also irrelevant, since the reality check alone does not even work.

I really imagined safe play to be different.

I hope an agreement can be found in this regard, after all I have made use of their services and the operators are ultimately responsible for this or it is their job to ensure that the service offered works properly.

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2 years ago

Thank you very much, Nils-Christoph, for your reply. Please understand that the loss limits are counted from your deposited funds, not from your winnings.

For example, if I deposited €50, set the loss limit at €10, and win €1,000, my loss limit will be counted from 50+1000. So instead of €10 I still can lose €1,010.


Could you please advise how much was your last deposit?

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2 years ago
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In the end, however, it does not matter with the loss limit, since, as I said, the reality check did not work at all.


My total deposit was € 800 and my final deposit was € 200.

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2 years ago

Dear Nils-Christoph,

Please see below the definition of Reality Check:

 

"The built-in reality check pops up in front of the player when he plays only on his real money after a selected period of time. It helps the player to remind himself about the risks he is taking and to stop the game if he has exceeded his limits. Sometimes the player gets too involved in the game, that he doesn’t keep track of his balance. After creating an account on the online casino site, the system automatically offers to show him the reality check window at a selected period of time – 1 minute, 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour or 2 hours, so he can select his own time or disable the function. The reality check window will show the player’s logged in time, the total amount of funds wagered and how much the player has won. The window will then offer two options – to quit the game or to continue."

 

Please understand that it is just a pop-up window that alerts you and your chosen time that your session has expired but it doesn't log you out or stop you from playing. 


Since you have played your winnings, I’m afraid, there is not much we can do for you. As I mentioned earlier, please understand, the player is the only one responsible for their account, active balance, and all the bets taking place. For future references, please contact us as soon as the issue evolves so we can intervene before it's too late.

Please let me know if there is any additional information that I have overlooked otherwise, I will be forced to reject your complaint. I really wish I were of more help. Thank you.


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2 years ago
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Yeah sure, just there wasn't a pop-up window, I don't put this stuff in for fun so it doesn't show up. I wasn't reminded of my playing time or anything else.


I assumed that they would not help me because they are totally corrupt themselves.


You don't have a seat in Germany yourself, and then you falsely advertise with the casino and then not support you with such mistakes, I think that's really bold on your part.


I have enough money it's not like that, so if they don't want to help me I will take legal action against both them and the online casino.


Since they both offer their services via the German server, I can also legally hold them accountable on the basis of the legal situation that applies here.


Please let me know what you want to decide, for help or for the legal way.

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2 years ago

Dear Nils-Christoph,

I fully understand your point of view. I'm just trying to suggest that there are better ways to protect yourself than setting up a Reality Check.

Could you please forward any supporting evidence that the Reality Check has been set successfully? From the previous screenshots, I can't determine that it has been set correctly. Thank you very much in advance.

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2 years ago
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You can see very clearly on the screenshots that these are activated, I always got one before.


To her statement, maybe one should then make decent limits available that do not apply to the deposited money but to the general balance, but there is apparently no such thing, very strange, right?


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2 years ago

Hello Nils-Christoph,

I have created an account in the same casino and set the Reality Check for 15 minutes. Please bear in mind, I was playing with fun money, that’s why your screenshot would look a bit differently.


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I would like to emphasize that your game wouldn’t be stopped. As you can see on the screenshot, and as I have mentioned earlier, Reality Check is just a pop-up window that helps you to get an overview of your gambling and perhaps consider pausing play for a while. It doesn’t stop your game if you set an auto-play and leave the computer. I’m truly sorry but we can’t help you with this case. 


Once again, let me know if there is any additional information that I have overlooked otherwise, I will be forced to reject your complaint. I really wish I were of more help. Thank you.


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2 years ago
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Yes, but if you know about your own gambling behavior, you set yourself the reality check very consciously so that you also know that you are still playing for money and not anything else.


You mentioned above that you would have played with fun money, but in your other post you said a reality check would only work with real money, what now?

It's all a little weird isn't it ?!

Very contradictory.


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"The built-in reality check appears in front of the player if he only plays with his real money after a selected period of time. It helps the player remember the risks they are taking and stop the game when they have exceeded their limits. Sometimes the player gets too involved in the game that he doesn't keep track of his balance. After creating an account on the online casino website, the system will automatically offer to show him the reality check window at a selected time - 1 minute, 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour or 2 hours for him to choose his own time or can deactivate the function. The reality check window shows the player's logged in time, the total amount of money wagered and how much the player won. The window then offers two options - exit the game or continue. "


As you can clearly see on my screenshots, this reality check was set, so don't try to find any excuses here.


The service offered was not provided, I was not reminded of anything.


I switched to autostart, yes, but I didn't play everything on autostart, I kept looking at the display, my friend was sitting next to me, so that I was talking to her and looking at the game display.


I sat there for more than an hour, because I just talked and played with her, as they say, this function is intended to remind someone that he is still concerned with real money, so it is only intended for this aspect already mentioned .


So if I could have seen that I had gambled away € 3000, for example, and he had shown me whether I wanted to continue playing or would like to quit, I would have been more than aware that I should stop because it is money.


Do you understand what I'm getting at?


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2 years ago

The Reality Check definition in my first reply is a general one from the Internet (that’s why I didn’t include a link). In my second reply, I have described my experience when I wanted to double-check how this specific Responsible Gambling tool works in this casino.

It is not a question of trust whether I believe you or not, I’m simply trying to explain to you that the Reality Check doesn’t stop you from continuing playing, it is just an informative pop-up window that can be closed in a matter of a blink of an eye. Please understand that the funds have been played and there’s not much we can do for you in this matter. For future references, please do not hesitate to contact us earlier when the problem evolves so we can intervene before it’s too late. 

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2 years ago

Dear Nils-Christoph,

We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, do not hesitate to contact us if you need any assistance or help, otherwise, we will reject your complaint.

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2 years ago

Unfortunately, after gathering all the necessary information we are rejecting this complaint as unjustified. Sorry, we were not able to help you with this one, but please, do not hesitate to contact us in the future, if you run into any issues with this or any other casino. We are here to help. 

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