The player from Germany had his winnings voided due to deposits from a joint account. The player failed to update us on the status of his case and we were forced to close this complaint as 'rejected'.
I paid an amount of EUR 100.00 on 13.12.20, EUR 59.00 on 15.12.20 and EUR 72.00 on December 22nd, 2020. These amounts were transferred from the joint account with individual disposal authorization (account holder my wife and I). After making a big win, the withdrawal was declined because it was according to general conditions is a joint account from which a deposit was made. This would not be permitted and I was advised that the last deposit of EUR 72.00 would be reimbursed. I feel cheated, especially since not even all deposits have been refunded. I am also very surprised that the deposits were accepted and booked on the player account. I feel cheated and can not see where the difference between a deposit from an individual current account and a joint account with individual authorization is to be seen. Can you help?
Dear Thomas,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. I checked terms and conditions, and yes, this is what I found https://www.voodoodreams.com/en/terms-and-conditions:
„You acknowledge that you shall only use debit or credit cards and other financial instruments that are valid and lawfully belong to you solely. The use of financial instruments whose ownership is shared with other individuals, is not tolerated and will result in voiding of winnings."
Could you please clarify which payment method has been used to deposit funds into your account? Is it a joint account between you and your wife? Would you be able to prove that you are a legitimate owner of the payment method? Does your wife have an account in the same casino too?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Petronela
Hi there,
my wife does not have a player account at the Voododreamscasino. Only I have a player account there.
I am the sole owner of the player account at Voodoodreams.
I made a transfer with my online banking account, the payment was made via the payment service provider Skrill offered by the casino.
We manage the current account at my house bank as a joint account, everyone has their own online banking access to the joint current account. Furthermore, the joint current account has individual authorization and therefore all payments of the current account are to be equated with a current account that is only available to a single person. By means of the online banking contract between my house bank and myself, I can prove that I am the legal owner of the payment method. Authorization to execute all payments I have initiated is approved by my wife on this online banking contract.
The amounts transferred by me with the same payment method on December 13th, 2020 in the amount of EUR 100.00 and on December 15th, 2020 in the amount of EUR 59.00 were booked and retained by the casino. No profit was made from these deposits in casino games ... there the payments are withheld and not referred to an illegal deposit to the debit of a joint account. These amounts were not reimbursed ... does not match the reasoning of the casino !!!
Many greetings Thomas
Thank you very much, Thomas, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Martin who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Hello Thomas!
From now on, I will try my best to help you with your issue. I would like to invite VoodooDreams Casino into this discussion in order to explain and help us resolve this situation.
We would like to ask VoodooDreams Casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’, which will have negative impact on the casino's rating.
Good afternoon,
As Petronela correctly pointed out, the deposit was made by a shared bank account, which is against the T&Cs.
This case is clear cut and nothing more we can do.
Hello Thomas!
I would like to ask you, were all three of your deposits were from the same bank account? Could you please provide us the proof of your ownership of the account? You can do so by reaching me via email. My email is: 'martin.d@casino.guru'.
Dear VoodooDreams Casino representatives,
Firstly, I would like to mention that this kind of terms and conditions are not very common and most of the casinos do accept deposits from shared accounts. We strongly believe that the player has all the rights necessary to manage the funds of this account, which he was able to prove to you and he was acting in good faith, while he was simply not aware of this rule, otherwise we doubt he would deposit with such account.
Secondly, I would like to ask you what is the situation with the player's deposits? Since it seems that you are strictly following your T&Cs, there were only winnings mentioned to be voided and regardless of win or lose situation, we strongly believe that the player's deposits should have been refunded.
Lastly, our strong recommendation to avoid such issues would be to place a warning into the cashier section, that would notify the players before they commit to do such deposits.
Good afternoon,
We have taken all of your comments into consideration and we stand by our Terms & Conditions. We have followed all procedures and adhered to our licensing obligations and player was not entitled to a full refund.
However as a sign of good will we have chosen to return all deposits which shall be in the player's account shortly.
Thank you for your response VoodooDreams Casino representatives.
Thomas, I would like to ask you to keep us updated when you'll receive your deposits back.
As always with VoodooDreams: A lot is announced and nothing happens.
I have not yet received a refund of 159.00 euros 🙁
Hello Thomas!
Since the casino informed us about returning your deposits, I would kindly advise to wait for a little more time. I strongly believe that your deposits will be returned to you soon.
I will extend the timer for 7 days and in the meantime you can inform us about any updates regarding the situation.
In case you would not receive the deposits, we will contact the casino once again.
As requested directly to the player, we require documents confirming that all deposits were made out of the same shared account, after which we will oblige and refund as a sign of good will.
Hello Thomas!
I sincerely hope, that your deposits will be credited back to your account as soon, as you will be able to confirm the necessary documents with the casino.
Please, let me extend the timer for another 7 days for you, so you can inform us about any both positive or negative outcome of your efforts.
It goes on ... I send scanned proof of payment from my current account and my Paysafe account and there are new problems. Reply to my sending by email:
"Hello Thomas,
Please note that we may not approve scanned documents for review purposes. We therefore recommend that you resend the original PDF file. "
From my point of view, everything is unprofessional, another delaying tactic and excuses not to make payment.
Hello Thomas!
Please note, that this kind of request is not unusual across all the casinos.
Please, let us know when you'll finish the verification process of your payment methods.