Thank you both for your replies and additional information.
Now I would like to summarize the gathered facts and provide you with an explanation:
- Although we try to update our reviews regularly and keep the data up-to-date, in our big database of several thousands of online casino reviews, it is impossible to have all the information correct; in this industry and considering fast-changing casinos' websites on a daily basis (as well as their T&Cs), we would have to update all reviews every day, which is not technically possible
- Restricted countries for Joo Casino on casino.guru were updated recently by our Data Team, so now, it should not show China or Hong Kong as accepted anymore; however, the last complete review update was done some time ago, and at that time, the countries in questions were not there, which means the change had to take place during in the last few weeks/months
- It is the true and correct information that - the casino has China/Hong Kong clearly stated in its Terms and Conditions as restricted countries, each player is obliged to read the rules before accepting them, and the casino is not liable for any incorrect information on 3rd party forums
- On the other side, the casino's rules, especially if we are talking about restricted countries or bonuses, should be enforced by its system or software, and restricted players should not be allowed to register at all, which we explain in more detail in our Fair Gambling Codex
- If the player managed to register/deposit/play only thanks to hiding his real location (VPN), it significantly changes the situation
Dear Joo Casino Team,
We understand that each case is unique, and we try to consider them individually case by case. However, in this situation, we have to side with the player and agree with him that it does not differ a lot from another complaint he referred to.
Regardless of the information he found on our website before the restricted countries update, it basically does not change the fact that he should have been prevented from registering at the casino.
This is a part of the introductory section of our Fair Gambling Codex:
"Definition of fair casinos
A 'fair casino' is an online casino that:
- Pays out all legitimate winnings
- Doesn't have any unfair clauses in their Terms and Conditions (T&Cs) (more on this later in the article)
- Doesn't use any deceitful practices to trick players
- Enforces restricted countries (doesn’t allow players from them to create an account or play from a restricted country) and restricted bonuses (only gives bonuses to eligible players)"
Feel free to read more about our attitude regarding the restricted countries and bonuses in sections 6 and 7 of the same article.
Based on the above stated, and that the mistake was made on the casino's side, we would like to recommend the casino reconsider its decision in the matter and pay out the player's legitimate winnings.
However, in case there is anything that I overlooked and that could change the situation, feel free to correct me. Did the mentioned technical malfunction allow players from both restricted locations (China/Hong Kong) to register/deposit/play in the casino, or did it allow players only from one of the locations in question to do it?
I can see that the player provided us with the screenshots with "China accepted" information only from our website and that he was able to choose this country upon registration. But, in his first post, he also mentioned that he had to use a Hong Kong VPN to access the website. Does he reside directly in Hong Kong according to the personal data filled out upon registration? If not, was the technical malfunction related only to Hong Kong, so the player would not have been allowed to register if he used his original IP (China) to access the casino website? Did he use Hong Kong IP to bypass the casino's restriction? If so, can you prove it somehow? If not, and it did not matter from which location he accessed the website and he would have been allowed to register anyway from China, is the casino please able to reconsider its decision following our recommendation?
Thank you both for your replies and additional information.
Now I would like to summarize the gathered facts and provide you with an explanation:
- Although we try to update our reviews regularly and keep the data up-to-date, in our big database of several thousands of online casino reviews, it is impossible to have all the information correct; in this industry and considering fast-changing casinos' websites on a daily basis (as well as their T&Cs), we would have to update all reviews every day, which is not technically possible
- Restricted countries for Joo Casino on casino.guru were updated recently by our Data Team, so now, it should not show China or Hong Kong as accepted anymore; however, the last complete review update was done some time ago, and at that time, the countries in questions were not there, which means the change had to take place during in the last few weeks/months
- It is the true and correct information that - the casino has China/Hong Kong clearly stated in its Terms and Conditions as restricted countries, each player is obliged to read the rules before accepting them, and the casino is not liable for any incorrect information on 3rd party forums
- On the other side, the casino's rules, especially if we are talking about restricted countries or bonuses, should be enforced by its system or software, and restricted players should not be allowed to register at all, which we explain in more detail in our Fair Gambling Codex
- If the player managed to register/deposit/play only thanks to hiding his real location (VPN), it significantly changes the situation
Dear Joo Casino Team,
We understand that each case is unique, and we try to consider them individually case by case. However, in this situation, we have to side with the player and agree with him that it does not differ a lot from another complaint he referred to.
Regardless of the information he found on our website before the restricted countries update, it basically does not change the fact that he should have been prevented from registering at the casino.
This is a part of the introductory section of our Fair Gambling Codex:
"Definition of fair casinos
A 'fair casino' is an online casino that:
- Pays out all legitimate winnings
- Doesn't have any unfair clauses in their Terms and Conditions (T&Cs) (more on this later in the article)
- Doesn't use any deceitful practices to trick players
- Enforces restricted countries (doesn’t allow players from them to create an account or play from a restricted country) and restricted bonuses (only gives bonuses to eligible players)"
Feel free to read more about our attitude regarding the restricted countries and bonuses in sections 6 and 7 of the same article.
Based on the above stated, and that the mistake was made on the casino's side, we would like to recommend the casino reconsider its decision in the matter and pay out the player's legitimate winnings.
However, in case there is anything that I overlooked and that could change the situation, feel free to correct me. Did the mentioned technical malfunction allow players from both restricted locations (China/Hong Kong) to register/deposit/play in the casino, or did it allow players only from one of the locations in question to do it?
I can see that the player provided us with the screenshots with "China accepted" information only from our website and that he was able to choose this country upon registration. But, in his first post, he also mentioned that he had to use a Hong Kong VPN to access the website. Does he reside directly in Hong Kong according to the personal data filled out upon registration? If not, was the technical malfunction related only to Hong Kong, so the player would not have been allowed to register if he used his original IP (China) to access the casino website? Did he use Hong Kong IP to bypass the casino's restriction? If so, can you prove it somehow? If not, and it did not matter from which location he accessed the website and he would have been allowed to register anyway from China, is the casino please able to reconsider its decision following our recommendation?
Edited by a Casino Guru admin