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888 Casino IT - Player is dissatisfied with RTP in the casino.

Amount: €800

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Safety Index:High
Submitted: 30 Jan 2023 | Case closed : 08 Feb 2023
Case closed Our verdict

Insufficient evidence from player

REJECTED

Case summary

1 year ago

The player from Italy is dissatisfied with RTP in the casino and requests a partial refund. We didn't consider the player's evidence as sufficient, therefore we rejected his complaint.

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1 year ago
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I advance that I am not here to absolutely want a full refund of the money. But a refund appropriate to the situation.


I noticed that on my gaming account in the last 2 years out of 888 most of which have made me win well is only by unlocking the casino bonus and never with the balance deposited. I will tell you that last year (2022) I uploaded 400 euros several times (for example 60 then 50 then 70 etc....) over a couple of weeks. Playing everything at slot bet 60/80/1 never had a bonus/freespin in all these sessions and sometimes, I mean sometimes maybe 2 or 3 times a payout x20/30 the stake. In short, it was always a downward spin. Non-existent RTP


I complained and they limited my account.


I contacted assistance and they reopened my gaming account at the beginning of 2023


In one week I topped up almost 400 euros more and more times as I mentioned above and I only made bets on 60/80/1 euro slot bets.


You will say… Well now the casino will have returned some RTP. The answer is no... A bonus/freespin paid 3x and the usual 2/3 paid at x20/30 the bet. Then I took 2 bonus/freespin with one paid 100x and the other x120 (total is around €170 of both). Then every slot kept pretending to give me a bonus/freespin and I only got 2, one paid 0 the other 11 euros (x11) It was just a negative spin.... In short, we understood. It must be added that every deposit gave a bonus of 20% of the top-up ... so imagine the turnaround I made, which is not just counting the 800 paid plus those miserable sporadic winnings (apart from a x100 and a x120). The total return is not even around 30/35% perhaps.

Calculating that I made all the spins to a bet ranging from 60cent70/80/90/1euro.

I remember that in the previous period where I refer to last year where I paid 400 I had still played the slots for a few days by depositing. without having had a decent win or a bonus/freespin... Then the above happened.


I contacted the assistance and received the usual phrases... That the casino is not responsible and the algorithms are certified according to the law etc etc etc.


But given the evidence tested on me at this juncture, the opposite is true.


It doesn't seem like an unfortunate or random series but more of a highly anomalous situation.


I certainly don't ask for a total refund... but a respectful amount that will compensate for this imbalance created.



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1 year ago

Dear Mark88,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. However, I want to inform you that we cannot make a case solely based on what you are describing. Sometimes you might get lucky and sometimes not; that's how casinos and casino games work. I would recommend reading our article about Payout ratio (RTP): https://casino.guru/learn-about-games-of-chance-rtp-variance.

If you have more information that would help our case, please forward it to me. Unfortunately, at this time, if we don’t have any evidence proving that something unfair is going on, there is nothing we can do. Please do not hesitate to contact me if there is anything else, I could do for you regarding your complaint.

Best regards,

Tomas

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1 year ago
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Since 220314


In practically every game session I have never gone into the black.


Apart from 230120 of +90 of the balance and 230120 +30/40.


For the rest never and never say once over the balance and the situation described above.


Where I went into profit loading 60 I lost 30 and went to 120


In the second loaded there too 60 if I'm not mistaken. lost 20 I arrived on 100.


Otherwise it was always a downhill spin.

Attached the situation you describe starts from 220314


Previously I managed to win something but not with my balance but with bonuses that I had left and unlocked.


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1 year ago

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1 year ago

Thanks you for your reply and explanation. I am afraid I don't see anything unusual about your gaming activity and the subsequent RTP.


Return to player(RTP) ratio, also called payout ratio is a number that describes what percentage of each bet is statistically returned to a player from each bet (it is not saying what percentage of deposits the player will get back as some people may think). So if someone wagers 1000$ on a game with 90% RTP his expected return is 900. There are some facts about RTP that we would like to highlight.

First of all, this expected return is just a mathematical average. In short, anyone can get very lucky (or unlucky) and get a much bigger (or lesser) return than his expectation. However, if you play for a long time, your real return will be close to the expected return. In mathematics, this is called the law of big numbers. Many people wrongly believe that this means that if someone was very unlucky during some time period he should get very lucky over the next period of time. Or that if the red number won on roulette ten times in a row, there is a bigger chance that the black one will win next. This is called Gambler's fallacy and it's not true.

Past results have no influence on future results. The law of big numbers is saying that if you get very unlucky in the past you can expect to get average results in the future (you would have the same expectation if you get good or average luck in the past - what happened in the past just doesn't matter in the present). And this average result will give you closer to the average result overall. For example, if red won on roulette 8 times of 10 in the first ten spins and then 5 times of 10 in the next ten spins, it's overall 13 times out of 20 which is much closer to theoretical expectation than 80% wins for red from first ten spins.

If you want to learn more about RTP we recommend you watch our videos about this topic:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0rVhAZL1-E

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9fzMDzadtA


Please let me know if there is any additional information that I have overlooked, but I’m afraid I will be forced to reject your complaint as unjustified. I wish I could be of more help. Thank you in advance for your reply and understanding.

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Tomas your answer is a contradiction in my case... But that's okay. As always, the mess is justified for the unfortunate moment, even prolonged and out of place. First you say that if you play for a long time, your real return will be close to the expected return... Then that past results have no influence on future results.

RTP justified even for a long period of the casino which on average every 100 euros returns you 40-50 (accumulated with low hits but don't let you go into the black) and a couple of worthy winnings (it would be from 100x up) every 700/800. Perhaps you have not noticed the number of spins of the sessions to understand that there is something strange.... other than the fact that the 40-50 return wins have been replayed. Here we are not talking about heads or tails or red and black.... Maybe I'm starting to think as many people have written here on the site that you are on the side of the casinos because you deny the evidence of things. That's okay


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I want to add that I have lost and won in the past like many people in various online casinos. But there was something strange here. Otherwise, if I would be so "stupid" I would complain at every game session lost .... Instead I'm complaining as it should be (because I have to be protected). From an RTP to how honest of the casino towards me for a long time.

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1 year ago

Thanks for your comments, Mark88.


The sample size of one player is simply too small to conclude the RTP is skewed one way or another. Please remember that RTP for a game is balanced around the existence of big wins the player can achieve. As proportionately fewer players will win a 'jackpot', more players will experience a lower RTP as a result.


Due to the aforementioned reasons, this complaint will now be rejected. Thank you for your understanding, I am sorry we could not be of more help on this occasion. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you run into issues with any online casino in the future.

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