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WestCasino - Player's withdrawal delayed due to verification issues.

Amount: €345

WestCasino
Safety Index:High
Submitted: 22 May 2024 | Case closed : 26 Aug 2024
Case closed Our verdict

Player stopped responding

REJECTED

Case summary

2 months ago

The player from Ireland had experienced withdrawal issues with West Casino that had been ongoing for six weeks. The Casino had rejected his passport pictures, claiming they were not clear enough or appeared edited, despite his insistence that they were not. He had sought help to retrieve his winnings. We reviewed the documents and suggested a verification call to resolve the issue, but the Casino insisted on receiving a high-resolution photo as per their requirements. Since the complaint was with eCogra, we had temporarily closed the complaint, awaiting the regulator's decision. After multiple exchanges, the player reported a court ruling in his favor against a sister company of West Casino, but the Casino maintained that only decisions from relevant authorities would be binding. The player had refused to submit more documents, asserting he had already provided ample evidence. Ultimately, the complaint was rejected due to the player's lack of cooperation in providing additional requested documentation.

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5 months ago

West Casino are rejecting all my Passport pictures, claiming they are not clear enough or they are edited. This is completely untrue. They are not edited. They have been sent from my canon to my comp and then uploaded.


No matter what I do I get the same copy and paste response back from this casino.


I only signed up to play here as you give them an 8.5 out of 10.


please can you help as my deposits are stuck.

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5 months ago

Dear masonjones,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem.

Please understand that KYC is a very important and essential process, during which the casino makes sure that the money is sent to the rightful owner. As they don't have the luxury of being able to physically see all of the players and check their identification and documents, this is the only way gambling establishments are able to complete the verification procedures. None of the serious and licensed casinos take KYC lightly and it might take a few working days to complete this thorough process.

  • Would you be able to share a photo you recently submitted to the casino to me? My email is tomas@casino.guru
  • Could you please share your communication with the casino? Send emails or chat transcripts to my email or post screenshots here

I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.

Best regards,

Tomas


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5 months ago

Hello masonjones & Tomas,


Greetings from WestCasino!


I have checked and to complete the verification process the player is required to send a clear, high resolution photo of his passport - making sure all details are in focus and clearly visible and that the file is the unedited photo taken with his smartphone/camera and contains the full exif information.


To date the player has sent multiple blurry photos which were all rejected.


All the best,

Eduard

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5 months ago

Once again,


Please explain how this is in ANY WAY BLURRY -


Casinoguru, please look at this picture and tell me in what world this is blurry.


If this is rejected I am calling SCAM. I would request my account closed and withdrawal processed or we can get EU consumer court involved and let this be explained.

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5 months ago

Thanks both parties for the reply.

Dear WestCasino,

please let us know about the result of the verification or of any steps that should be taken to resolve the issue.

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5 months ago

Hello Tomas,


Thank you for your reply!


To complete the verification process the player is required to send a clear, high resolution photo of his passport - making sure all details are in focus and clearly visible and that the file is the unedited photo taken with his smartphone/camera and contains the full EXIF information.


This hasn't been received up to this point.


All the best,

Eduard

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5 months ago

Dear masonjones,

Please let us know whether your further attempts to submit such documents were met with success.

I'll await your reply.

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5 months ago

Nope.


Ive asked for the money refunded and account closed. They’ve ignored me.


You can see the quality of my docs and I emailed them to you.


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5 months ago

Hello masonjones & Tomas,


Thank you for your reply!


The player hasn't sent the requested photo of the ID.


Until the verification is completed we won't be able to process any payment towards the player.


All the best,

Eduard

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5 months ago

Under EU consumer law you are legally obliged to return my deposits.


I have provided copious pictures of completely clear ID pictures,


I am not providing anymore.


Caisnoguru can see the quality of ID pictures I have sent.


If my funds are not returned to my Skrill wallet I will begin legal action.

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5 months ago

I provided x3 new photos yesterday.


Tomas I have emailed them to you also.

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5 months ago

Thanks to both parties for your replies.

Dear WestCasino,

Could you please share a more detailed explanation as to why the documents aren't accepted?

Would a video verification, or a verification call be a valid way for masonjones to complete verification of his identity?

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5 months ago

They’ve ignored my emails for 5 days. They said the pics were blurry, which you can see, they are not….

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5 months ago

Hello masonjones & Tomas,


Thank you for your reply!


I have reviewed the new photos you sent with the Finance team and they have all been rejected for the same reasons as the ones below - the photos are of low resolution and don't include any of the exif information.


Please take a new photo of your passport, using your camera or smartphone and send the original (unedited photo) to our Finance team. Keep in mind that you need to send this without resizing the photo or editing it in any way in any app.


For now the player needs to send the file exactly as instructed and our Finance team will then advise if any further verification will be required, such as a video call.


All the best,

Eduard

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5 months ago

You’re talking rubbish.


Casinoguru can see these pictures are crystal clear taken on HD iPhone:


They are being taken on my iPhone and then being uploaded directly to my email and here. Nothing is being resized or cropped and no EXIF data is being modified. You are just scammers.


Casinoguru, what are your opinions on these latest phones and the ones I have emailed you? Even a blind person could see how clear they are!

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5 months ago

Attached are two more pictures, taken now and uploaded to EXIF metadata viewers proving nothing has been changed.


Attached are also zommed in close ups showing all information is perfectly clear!



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W3 - Perfectly clear details.

W2 - Perfectly clear detaisl


This all proves my pictures are 100% clear and readable and proves EXIF and METADATA is not being edited.


WestCasino need to prove the documents are not readable and need to prove the EXIF data is being changed...


I'll wait


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5 months ago

Hello masonjones,


Thank you for your reply!


Unfortunately these photos aren't the original photo taken with your smartphone and with the complete exif information. They are resized and of low quality and were all rejected by our Finance team.


To avoid any delays in the verification process please make sure to send only photos according to the requirements mentioned.


All the best,

Eduard

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5 months ago

Casino Guru, can you please intervene here. The casino is attempting to ignore and distort reality. You can see numerous posts above that clearly show High Quality photos with everything clear and you can see all the evidence provided to show no metadata or EXIF has been changed.


West Casino are ignoring all my questions to show evidence of their claims.


1 - West casino must prove the images aren’t readable.


2 - West casino must supply evidence to show metadata and EXIF have been altered.


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5 months ago

Dear masonjones,

Have you tried taking the photo with a different device making sure you disabled image-altering filters on the app when taking the pictures?

If this solution won't help, we suggest the verification call should alleviate any concerns regarding the verification.

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5 months ago

All pictures have been taken with my iPhone 14 and Cannon 250D.


Do any of my pictures look like they have a filter on them?


Are my passport images blurry?


What does the metadata programme show for the metadata? (all images posted above and all images sent to you via email).


Have West Casino provided any proof the images are blurry?


Have West Casino provided any proof the metadata has been changed?

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5 months ago

Hello masonjones,


Thank you for your reply!


Unfortunately, if you aren't willing to comply with the requirements of the verification process there is not much more I can do.


The process will only move forward once you sent the document as requested.


All the best,

Eduard

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5 months ago

7 pictures have been supplied all taken on an iphone, all perfectly clear. Numerous pictures have been through metadata software proving nothing has been altered.


The complaint is with ECOGRA where you will be forced to answer the below questions, as you are delibertaely ignoring the, I wonder why...


Do any of my pictures look like they have a filter on them?


Are my passport images blurry?


What does the metadata programme show for the metadata? (all images posted above and all images sent to you via email).


Have West Casino provided any proof the images are blurry?


Have West Casino provided any proof the metadata has been changed?


The complaint is also with askgamblers who have stated none of the metadata has been changed and all the images are perfectly clear.


You are provably lying and have ignored Casinoguru asking if me doing a video will suffice. So I will do one anyway in my next post and screenshot live the images being taken, location and quality so you can further see EVERYTHING you are attempting to say is a complete lie. It will also be forwarded to ECOGRA in real time and I will instruct solicitors if my funds are not received by close of business monday and account closed.

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Picture just sent live to west and ECOGRA

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Proof of location and metadata on phone

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Email proof showing live video screen recording being taken of the photo

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4 months ago

Dear Eduard from WestCasino,

kindly let us know whether there is anything else preventing masonjones from completing verification, or kindly address his concerns regarding the documents provided.

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4 months ago

Tomas did you receive the video I emailed you?



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4 months ago

Hello masonjones & Tomas,


Thank you for your reply!


I have checked with our Finance team and all the new photos you have provided have been rejected as well.


While indeed the latest photo provided included the full metadata as requested, the image quality is still too low.


In order to pass the verification the photo of the ID needs to be of high resolution and all the information and details of the photo should be in focus.


All the best,

Eduard

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4 months ago

As Casino Guru can see this is an absolute criminal joke.


To claim these photos are blurry is deliberately ignoring reality and breaching EU consumer law.


The 'finance team' are flippantly stating the images are blurry and providing no examples to support their ludicrous claims. They have ignored the requests to provide these examples at every opportunity.


They are simply attempting theft.


Tomas, you can clearly see this?

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4 months ago

Dear Eduard,

Was the video masonjones sent on Saturday to your finance department considered for verification?



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4 months ago

Hello Tomas,


Thank you for your reply!


Our Finance team has reviewed all the documents the player sent, including the video.


Unfortunately they have rejected it as it is not conclusive to the verification process - the details on the passport itself aren't in focus and clearly visible. The same reason for rejection for all the photos the player sent so far.


All the best,

Eduard


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4 months ago

Tomas, This is insane! The Casino is clearly attempting theft because I said I would be closing my account.


AGAIN, they have refused to state which details are not clear??? Surely you and eveyone at Casinoguru can see all details on the passport are 100% clear. The metadata image on my iphone shows the quality of camera on the iphone 13 being used, is West trying to say no photos taken with this camera are clear enough?


Attached are zoomed in screenshots of the important individual sections of the passport. WHICH PARTS ARE NOT CLEAR???


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another picture here Tomas. I wonder what isn’t clear this time?

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4 months ago

Dear all,

After discussing the case internally, we would expect the casino to agree to a verification call, as we don't see any issue with the documents submitted thus far. A verification call should allow the casino to dispel any concerns regarding the documents already provided.

Dear WestCasino,

please make it happen and let us know about the result.

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4 months ago

Thanks Tomas.


They haven't responded to the last document I submitted either?

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4 months ago

Hello Tomas,


Thank you for your reply!


A verification call can't substitute the fact that the player hasn't provided a clear, high resolution photo of his passport up to this point.


We are required to have this on file for the player and there is no way to proceed without it.


If you want I can provide more information in private related to our concerns with this specific case. Since the player decided to take up his complaint with eCogra, this has been provided to them as part of the mediation process.


I don't believe that it is an issue for the player to provide this photo.


All the best,

Eduard

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4 months ago

The player has provided a high quality clear resolution photo proving metadata has not been edited 5 times.


The player has provided a video.


The player has agreed to doing a live video.


The player has provided a new photo in this complaint thread and on email 4 days ago which you haven’t responded to.


Casino guru and ECOGRA has agreed they are HQ.


Put whatever ‘concerns’ you have in the complaint thread you scammers!


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4 months ago

Hello masonjones,


Thank you for your reply!


I'm not sure why you are not willing to collaborate for the verification process.


A photo as requested can be easily taken with any smartphone or camera in proper lighting. Refusing to provide this will only delay the process further.


All the best,

Eduard

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4 months ago

STOP CHANGING REALITY!


Casinoguru have already stated this 'we would expect the casino to agree to a verification call, as we don't see any issue with the documents submitted thus far'. ECOGRA have also stated the pictures I have provided are clear. Everyone else is wrong but you?


You have also not once responded to which areas are not 'clear'???. You have also not responded the picture sent 6 days ago. See attached.file

I also now have proof of you accepting a non high quality picture from another player which I have submitted to

ECOGRA and will submit here...


You are scammers and criminals, but not above EU law.


I am instructing solicitors today after consulting citiznes advice.

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4 months ago

Hello masonjones,


Thank you for your reply!


If you don't wish to comply with our requests, you can wait for your eCogra complaint to be resolved.


We have provided them with all the relevant information related to your case.


All the best,

Eduard

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4 months ago

Reality


  • 7 Passport Pictures sent in.
  • 1 video sent in.
  • Proof no metadata has been changed.
  • The last picture sent in 6 days ago not reviewed nor responded to.
  • Casino Guru employees (Multiple) and ECOGRA stated all pictures are clear.
  • Player has offered to do a verification Call. West Casino have refused.
  • Random stranger at West Casino claiming everyone is wrong and they are right in saying the images are not clear.
  • Random stranger at West Casino not stating which area is not clear and refusing attempts to resolve.
  • EU consumer law/Carribjustice courts dictate if a vendor refuses a consumers custom they are legally obliged to refund deposits. West Casino are breaking the law.
  • Solicitors are instructed.


This is now blatant gas lighting and attempted theft.

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4 months ago

Dear masonjones,

Since the complaint is currently in the hands of eCogra, we'll close the complaint temporarily.

I will close this complaint as 'waiting for the decision from a regulator'. Please let me know when the authority responds and what is their decision. You can forward any information to my email (tomas@casino.guru). I am sorry I could not be of more help on this occasion.

Kind regards,

Tomas

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4 months ago

We’ve reopened this complaint at the request of masonjones. We would like to allow this case one more chance to be resolved and help both parties involved to reach a satisfactory conclusion.

Please can you reopen this. I would like to keep CG and other players updated on the complaint with ECOGRA, MGA and court.
Also West are refusing to interact with me on email and I need them to provide a 'Deadlock' letter, or ECOGRA is refusing to help any further!

Dear WestCasino,

Could you please share the full list of requirements for the player's documents to be accepted?

I'll appreciate your assistance.

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4 months ago

Thanks Tomas. The casino has ignored my solicitor so as of two days ago I have paid for the court claim to proceed.


We are aware the casino will simply ignore the pictures I have sent. Claim they are not High enough quality, ignore the metadata and camera specs proving they are and ignore the fact both your staff, myself, my solicitor and ECOGRA have stated they are clear. I simply need West to supply me with their final response.


West Casino, please supply me with your final response and Deadlock letter in regards to this so I may supply it to ECOGRA….

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4 months ago

Thanks for your reply.

I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Michal (michal.k@casino.guru) who will be at your service. I wish you the best of luck and hope the problem will be resolved to your satisfaction in the near future. 

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4 months ago

Hello masonjones,

I'm Michal, and I have taken over your complaint. I have reviewed the case and will continue discussions with the casino team to seek a suitable resolution, if possible.


Dear Eduard / WestCasino,

I have reviewed all the evidence the player has provided us and I don't really see any discrepancy in the documents you mentioned. The player has provided all the documents and pictures in solid quality to us, so I'm not sure if the email agent or the system you are using has not cropped them automatically when as you mentioned your Finance team has rejected them.

All the documents can be sent to an alternative email address, maybe this will help, furthermore, I'm not sure why you have not considered a video verification call with the player, where they can show you their documents to the camera.

Don't you think this will help resolve this case?



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4 months ago

Hello Michal,


Thank you for your response!

We have provided full explanation of the reasoning for our request via Skype to Tomas.

The only way the verification process will continue is if the player send a high quality photo, with all the details clearly visible.

Neither of the photos uploaded to this complaint or sent to us are of such quality. Given the nature of the verification process there are no concessions that can be made regarding this requirement.


Once this is received we will inform the player if there will be any additional requirements.


All the best,

Eduard



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4 months ago

As I've said they are behaving as criminals. They have also deliberately not responded to my requests above to state their 'Deadlock' position.


The casino has also ignored my solicitors and we have now started court action against them.


Questions to West -


Why have you not provided the Deadlock letter?

Why have you ignored my solicitors and are not engaging in the pre-action court action? (This is illegal).


Questions to Michael -


What has been said on skype? (I'm not sure why these scammers are not being transparent)

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4 months ago

Hello masonjones,


Thank you for your response!


In order to receive the deadlock letter you will first need to open a complaint directly with our casino.


You can file your complaint by email to support@westcasino.com, with the title Complaint, and including the relevant information that you believe supports your case.


This will be analyzed by our complaints department and you will receive the required response by email.


All the best,

Eduard

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4 months ago

You are scammers.


You are doing this deliberately to drag out this process and hope I go away. I'm not going anywhere .


Answers my questions:


Questions to West -


Why have you not provided the Deadlock letter?

Why have you ignored my solicitors and are not engaging in the pre-action court action? (This is illegal).


It's sad you are getting a kick out of this, replying in one minute as you are watching the complaint thread. It's sick and gaslighting.

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4 months ago

Dear Eduard / WestCasino,

Since it seems that we are unable to reach an agreement on the next steps regarding this matter and the player has already pursued the appropriate channels, we may have to temporarily close this complaint as unresolved until we receive a decision from the regulator. I would appreciate it if you could provide the player with the "Deadlock letter" as per their request, in order for the relevant authorities to make an official ruling.


Dear masonjones,

As you can see the casino team maintains its position in regards to your documents and we are at no liberty to officially challenge that. While your documents appeared normal to us, we are not experts in forensic matters and do not have the authority to issue an official statement. It would be best for you to pursue your case further with the casino official ADR (eCOGRA) and the casino licensing authority - Malta Gaming Authority (MGA).

Please send your "official" complaint email to support@westcasino.com, with the title Complaint, and include the relevant information that you believe supports your case as advised by the casino representative. The casino team will then provide the Deadlock letter. Once you do so and you will receive a confirmation from eCOGRA, MGA, or your solicitor that an official investigation has been engaged I will close this complaint as unresolved and will be waiting for an official decision from the authorities. Sadly, we are not able to offer additional help at this stage.

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4 months ago

I have sent the official complaint and have started court action against West Casino.


West Casino, please answer these questions so all can see your responses -


Questions to West -


Why have you not provided the Deadlock letter?

Why have you ignored my solicitors and are not engaging in the pre-action court action? (This is illegal).


Michael please respond to my question -


Questions to Michael -


What has been said on skype? (I'm not sure why these scammers are not being transparent)


*Note - The casino is not an expert on 'forensic' matters either.





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4 months ago

Dear masonjones,

Our Skype conversation with the Westcasino team was regarding your case, your documents, and the potential course of action that can be taken. Sadly, as I have mentioned above, we were unable to reach a mutual agreement on this. That's why I have advised you to pursue your case further with the casino official ADR (eCOGRA) and the casino licensing authority, the Malta Gaming Authority (MGA).

Although I can partly understand the casino team's concerns, we don't think the casino's reasoning is sufficient, and I'm not sure why the casino team doesn't want to arrange the video verification, which I believe would shed better light on the situation. 

To your response: "The casino is not an expert on 'forensic' matters either."

Well, a lot of casinos (as most likely in this case as well) do have a security team that is trained in assessing the validity of player documents or cooperates with companies that specialize in this, but as mentioned we don't consider the reasoning we have received from the casino as fully sufficient for now. As I mentioned we are not experts in forensic matters and do not have the authority to issue an official statement. It would be best to get an official decision from the authorities. Sadly, we are not able to offer additional help at this stage.

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4 months ago

Hello Michal,


Thank you for your response!


The player has indeed filed a complaint with the Malta Gaming Authority and he was instructed by them that he is required to comply with our requests.


All the best,

Eduard

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4 months ago

Thank you Michal,


Can I use your statement above in my court action as evidence? We have now filed claims with EU court and Carribjustice courts and we are seeking the full amount plus compensation. West have received and READ all correspondence but are actively ignore my solicitors (evidence attached).


Eduard, yet again has lied. The MGA refused to help on KYC matters and stated players must deal directly with the operator or the ADR. Which is ECOGRA. They made no comment on the specifics here as they would not look at any of my evidence.


West Casino have also ignore my questions. SO I WILL ASK FOR A FOURTH TIME -


Why have you not provided the Deadlock letter?

Why have you ignored my solicitors and are not engaging in the pre-action court action? (This is illegal).

If Eduard believes he is not attempting theft and breaching EU law, could he please provide his full name so he can be named in the legal claim?


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Michal, can you please confirm how this experience will be reflcted on your site for other players to be aware of?

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Hello masonjones & Michal,


Thank you for your response!


Everything has been provided to you accordingly.


The screenshot you attached is not from our casino, so I am not sure what relevance it has on this case.


If you are not willing to collaborate and provide the required documents, we have no way to continue the process further. If you wish to take this further then our legal team will handle it once we receive any official notification in this sense.


I am including both the official response to your complaint as well as the answer you received from MGA.


All the best,

Eduard

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4 months ago

Dear masonjones,

I acknowledge your request for a clear statement from us, but unfortunately, we are unable to provide one at this time.

While we acknowledge that casinos may require various documents in good quality or format as part of the Know Your Customer (KYC) and/or Anti-Money Laundering (AML) process, it is the customer's responsibility to provide these documents to the casino team. However, the documents you have provided seem normal to us, and we do not find the reasoning provided by the casino to be fully sufficient at this time. As we are not experts in forensic matters and do not have the authority to issue an official statement or compel the casino to accept the documents, it would be best to seek an official decision from the authorities.

If eCORGA or MGA rules in your favor, the casino is obligated to accept their decision. If the casino does not comply with this decision, we will close this complaint as unresolved, which will negatively impact the casino's rating. I still hope that a reasonable resolution to this situation can be reached.


Dear Eduard / WestCasino,

Can you please answer the player's questions?

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4 months ago

Hello Michal,


Thank you for your response!


Please see my previous reply as I have included proof that the player received the deadlock letter from us, as well as the actual response he received from the Malta Gaming Authority.


If there is anything else, I will be more than happy to address it.


All the best,

Eduard

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4 months ago

Hello Michael,


I am using the attached statement from you in my court claim.




This has been added to the court claim.


Perhaps West Casino could provide the credentials of the forensic experts they have employed lol. This will need to be provided to the court.

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4 months ago

Eduard,


I realise intelligence might be a struggle for you. So I'll break it down again.


The MGA response you provided backs up my statement. MGA do not intervene in KYC matters. They did not review any of my documents and the statement is not specific to my case.


The attachment below (which you seemed to not understand). Is a recepit from my solicitors that their emails have been read by your company and IGNORED. Here they are again.


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They are relevant as again, it shows you have lied when you said your legal team will respond. No one has engaged with my solicitors.


Maybe you could supply your legal teams email here?


Can you confirm that despite receiving 9 passport pictures, a video, Casinoguru agreeing they are fine, ECOGRA agreeing they are fine you are still attempting theft and your (amatuerish email attachment above) is your deadlock letter?


Could you provide your full name Eduard so you can be named in the disclosure of evidence for the court claim?

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4 months ago

Hello masonjones,


Thank you for your response!


The screenshot you attached shows a receipt from a different casino, not from westcasino.com.


As far as I am aware no official documents regarding a legal action have been received related to your account. If you filed the court claim already then it may take several weeks until this reaches our company.


Please note that we will not provide any personal information of our staff or collaborators as these are private. You can review the terms and conditions of the casino where you can find the contact details and information of the casino operator.


All the best,

Eduard

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4 months ago

This might explain more why you keep rejecting my passports.


You are either blind, stupid or simply doing this as you get some sick kick out of it. I've circled the email that clearly says WEST CASINO.


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The other emails are for your sister company Goldwin where you have numerous filings missing and extremely questionable records. The attached is a read report, stating the email was opened by West Casino support, so again, you lied. SHOCKER. My solicitors have attempted to resolve things with you amicabbly for the last two weeks and you have ignored everything, hence why the court action has been filed in two jurisdications and compensation has been requested.


Your website does not list any details for your legal department. If you had one, you would have a legal department email.


My questions again -


Can you confirm that despite receiving 9 passport pictures, a video, Casinoguru agreeing they are fine, ECOGRA agreeing they are fine you are still attempting theft and your (amatuerish email attachment above) is your deadlock letter?


Could you provide your full name Eduard so you can be named in the disclosure of evidence for the court claim?


You also realise this is being documented here - https://casino.guru/westcasino-player-s-withdrawal-delayed-due-to-verification

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4 months ago

Dear masonjones,

I understand your frustration with the whole situation, but please I have to caution you that no offensive or abusive language is tolerated on our complaint forum.

We expect mutual respect from everyone. Inappropriate behavior is not helping anybody, thus, please write your responses in a respectful manner. Any further attempts to verbally attack or intimidate a Casino.Guru member or any staff members of the casino may result in the permanent blocking of your profile on our website. Let's behave like normal human beings, please.

Did eCORGA provide their decision regarding your complaint already or is it still being worked on?

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I didn't insult anyone.


I provided three possibilities for Eduard's 'mistake' when stating the email was not related to West Casino, like everything in this complaint his assertions ARE provably false.


ECOGRA have not responded since I forwarded West Casino's ambiguous Deadlock Letter responses. ECOGRA, like the MGA are AWFUL. The Casino knows this, they know how they're funded and know they do EVERYTHING they can not to get involved.


I think ECOGRA do not want to intrevene until they receive a letter that says ' We WEST CASINO provide our Deadlock Letter as follows'. As you can see, despite asking numerous times Eduard won't do this in the format that is needed. I wonder why....

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4 months ago

Eduard Blake is his name, I doubt this is his real name but it is the one we will use in Disclosure.

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4 months ago

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Further read report from ontrack, Simon Lane highlighting west are fully aware of the attempts to engage with my solicitor and have ignored everything. I wonder why...

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4 months ago

Hello masonjones & Michal,


Thank you for your response!


A deadlock letter is a final written response from us, which is the email you received.


As you are not willing to comply with the verification process and send the requested photos, then there is not much we can do to move from this point.


All the best,

Eduard

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3 months ago

Hello Mikhal,


Attached is proof the casino has now received an opened the court summons sent from my solicitor on behalf of the court.


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The casino has 7 days to respond with their defence so a hearing can be arranged. I will update here.

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3 months ago

Dear masonjones,

Did you receive any update from eCOGRA about your case with them? Is the case still open or what is the status of it, please?

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3 months ago

Here are the updates.


Court - Goldwin LTD and their sister company have been served with a summons.


ECOGRA- Official complaint via my solicitor was lodged a week ago, ignored.


ECOGRA- I have sent the deadlock letter to the handler about 5 days ago. Ignored.


The focus is on the court case as it will be resolved quickest as I can pay enforcement.


MGA have ignored everything.

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3 months ago

Dear masonjones,

It is understandable that you may anticipate a quick response from eCOGRA, but it is not uncommon for them to take their time in providing a response. While I cannot speak on their behalf, it is likely that they are evaluating all the information. Based on my past experiences, they have always eventually provided their decision, although there have been instances where it took a bit longer. Therefore, the assertion of being "ignored" may not be accurate.

As previously communicated by MGA, since the case is being handled by an ADR (eCOGRA), it is advisable to address this matter with them as well as please comply with the requests of the licensee.

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I understand your desire to pursue your case through the court, however, this is well beyond our competence. This matter will be solely between you and the casino.

Please share the most recent email or information you have received from eCOGRA with me.

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3 months ago

ECOGRA I have emailed the ‘deadlock’ email west have set out. ECOGRA have not responded. I have chased. I will continue to do so.


West had 7 days from the 8th I believe to engage in the pre action protocol with the court. They have, thus far, not done so as far as myself or my solicitor are aware. I will keep this updated here.


I have also been contacted by a few of West Casinos affiliates who are suspending offers as I have shared the court summons with them. I can share this with Casinogruru also as you may be named in the claim in regards to misrepresentation of sale apparently

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3 months ago

Dear masonjones,

As previously stated, any legal matters involving the casino are solely between you and them. This is way beyond our competence. If a court decision is made before eCOGRA issues their verdict, we will take it into account, although I would be surprised if that occurs. Until a ruling is made in your favor by the appropriate authority, the presumption of innocence remains.

By the way, has the casino team asked for any documents to confirm your address, income, or any other standard KYC requirements? Or has it somehow been stopped by your passport discrepancy?

Can you please share the ‘deadlock’ email that you've sent to eCOGRA? This will help us to keep track of the actions.

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3 months ago

The casino has one more day to engage in the pre action protocol from the Carribjustice court or default judgement is made to the defendant. Given the fact ECOGRA are ignoring me I assume the first court judgement will be made in my favour first. The EU court action is incredibly slow as we cannot pay for FAST-TRACK.


By the way, has the casino team asked for any documents to confirm your address, income, or any other standard KYC requirements? Or has it somehow been stopped by your passport discrepancy? - NO. They have stopped engaging completely and are not responding on email, to my solicitors, the court or this complaint thread.


Can you please share the ‘deadlock’ email that you've sent to eCOGRA? This will help us to keep track of the actions. - The casino have not provided an official one. AS YOU CAN SEE I HAVE REQUESTED WEST TO PROVIDE IT MULTIPLE TIMES ON THIS THREAD. As they have continued to behave in the manner they have I have supplied ECOGRA with the following:


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This is all they would provide.



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3 months ago

Dear masonjones,

While we are awaiting a response from eCOGRA, let's try once more. Kindly capture fresh, high-resolution images of your passport using your cell phone camera.

Please photograph the front (red) page of your passport first, followed by a clear and readable shot of all the details of this page.

And of course, this page, ensuring the "red text" is not blurred.

Please make sure the metadata of the pictures are not altered and send it to me at michal.k@casino.guru. You can send the pictures even in separate emails one by one, to make sure the pictures will not be cropped by the email agent. This will demonstrate your willingness to provide the required documents of the required quality.

btw. do you have any other identity verification documents? A driving license, ID card, or similar? If so, please take pictures of this as well and send it to me.

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3 months ago

Dear masonjones,

We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.

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3 months ago

Hi Michal.


Sorry, had covid.


Good update though. The carribjustice court has ruled in my favour as Galdiator Holdings N.V (West sister company) did not respond. The operator has been informed of this as of July 30th.


Judgement was €650 due to compensation. I have emailed this to tomas, I can email it to you also.


The operator has until August 13th to settle judgment or I have to pay enforcement.


The EU claim against Goldwin Ltd (West parent company) Is still pending. EU is very very slow.

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3 months ago

Dear masonjones,

I have doubts about the relevance of the Carribjustice court ruling you mentioned in this situation. Please forward the official verdict to me at michal.k@casino.guru. Although Galdiator Holdings N.V might be a sister company of West Casino, West Casino itself falls under the "European jurisdiction" so any ruling of any other court might most likely not be biding for West Casino.

Anyway, could you please provide me with the pictures as requested in my previous response?

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3 months ago

The ruling was made against Gladiator Holdings NV as they did not engage. It was a default judgement. It is relevant to the sister company of Goldwin LTD.


I emailed it to Tomas.


My EU claim against Goldwin LTD is still in pre action protocol stages.



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3 months ago

Dear masonjones,

I have reviewed the Court judgment from the Caribbean Court of Justice you have forwarded us and I have to question its validity. It is missing some essentials that are usually listed on official documents. Anyway as I have mentioned even if this judgment is legit it has no effect on your case with West Casino. West Casino itself falls under the "European jurisdiction" specifically under the laws of Malta. I must reiterate that only the determinations or judgments made by the appropriate authorities, such as eCOGRA, the MGA, or a court in Malta, are binding for the casino.

Furthermore, you seemed to overlook my and the casino team's previous request to provide fresh, high-resolution images of your passport which was sent to you via email.

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I kindly ask you to provide them to me at michal.k@casino.guru and to the casino team as well. Additionally, please forward any other identity verification documents (utility bills, driving license, ID card, or similar) that may assist in completing the KYC and AML process. Your cooperation is crucial, as we cannot proceed with your case without these documents.

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3 months ago

Lol. This is getting ridiculous now.


The judgement is listed on Curia. Feel free to contact the court. But thanks for undermining the judgement. Super useful 👍


You are well aware I have provided numerous ID documents and videos. Your team and ECOGRA have stated they see nothing with them. I’m not providing anything else. It’s absurd.


The EU small claims court filing is still processing. Will keep that updated here.


Gladiators Holding, West sister company currently has a judgement against them. This should be listed on the site.

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3 months ago

Dear masonjones,

Where exactly is the judgment listed? Can you provide the link?

Anyway, It is important to emphasize that only the determinations or judgments made by the appropriate authorities, such as eCOGRA, the MGA, or a court in Malta, are binding for West Casino.

Furthermore, you once again ignored my and the casino's request. Although we maintain our previous assertion that the pictures of your passport seem normal to us, however, I'm struggling to understand why instead of providing additional evidence that would help finish your KYC and AML process you decided to ignore the requests? Do I understand correctly that apart from your passport you have not provided any other documents to the casino? I kindly ask you to send any additional identity verification documents, such as utility bills, a driving license, an ID card, or similar items, that could aid in finalizing the KYC and AML procedures. Your cooperation is essential; without it, I would have no choice but to concur with the casino's position that you have not fulfilled their requirements for submitting all necessary documents related to the KYC and AML processes.



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2 months ago

I have provided x8 passport pictures. I have provided a video. I have provided metadata proof. Saying I have no complied with KYC and AML is provably false. You also don’t appear to have read the complaint or followed it as I’ve provided utility bill and bank statements. All have been approved. I am not a providing endless pictures of ID documents for them to keep getting rejected for no good reason.


The judgement is on the Curia site 6 upto months after service. I don’t work for you or the casino. This information is available online if you pull your finger out and look.


I’ve told you the EU court claim is pending. The carribiajustice ruling is against Wests sister company Goldwin Casino.


I’m not providing any further pictures of any documents on advice from my solicitors. They have more then enough.


AML regulations would also not be applicable here as I am requesting deposited money back to the same method I used to deposit. Consumer law is applicable in this case.



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2 months ago

Dear masonjones,

First of all, We are trying to help You, so it is expected that You will be fully cooperative regarding Your issue. Despite I have asked you to forward me the documents, which is just a matter of a few clicks or taps since, as you say, you have already sent them to the casino, your response is quite puzzling. I was informed by the casino team that you have provided them only your electricity bill, and even this was not approved, which raises questions about the accuracy of your statements

I have to repeat, I'm struggling to understand why, instead of providing additional evidence that would ultimately help finish your KYC and AML processes, you decided to ignore the requests?

It is of course within your rights not to cooperate further, however, as I have mentioned, I would have no choice but to concur with the casino's position that you have not fulfilled their requirements for submitting all necessary documents related to the KYC and AML processes.

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2 months ago

Dear masonjones,

We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.

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2 months ago

Unfortunately, the player has not responded to our messages and questions, and they have stopped to cooperate with us. Consequently, we are unable to investigate further and have no choice but to reject this complaint.


The player is welcome to request a reopening of this complaint at any time.

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