The player from Germany has been accused of breaching bonus terms by placing bets greater than the allowed ones.
This casino confiscated all my winnings because I accidentally spun over €5 with bonus money even though this is clearly forbidden in the T&Cs. If you look at my game history you will be able to rule out any abuse of bonus funds because that's not what I intended. I made most of my winnings under €5 and even paid real money in between. (total 200€)
Count the entire 3 days as one session and confiscate ALL total winnings on top of that
(in the course of the game it is clearly visible that the abuse of the bonus is excluded and that profits were also made that do not correlate or are related to the bonus balance), then only refund me the €80 even though I have deposited €200, reject all requests and my problem ignoring it with the utmost audacity is far from fair.
I demand an explanation for this mysterious way of confiscating money. The email that was sent to me was again typically copy/paste only, so my case was rated the same as all the other cases, although different.
For me there is only one option left.
Either someone will prove to me that all winnings are related to MaxBet or unfortunately I will not stop following my rights, because...
I believe that I am entitled to a partial payment of the total profit. I would be happy to be convinced otherwise. The least I'm entitled to is the ENTIRE deposit amount of €200 (80 were credited to my player account, which I didn't want and didn't accept). If someone refunds me money then the same payment method must be used for it as paid. So I can't track where the 80€ came from. Say if I deposit €80 or €200 and I am excluded from the bonus and my money is refunded to me then this has to happen to my bank account and not to my player account. You can't call that a refund.
This is anything but fair.
Dear maestro808,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint and forwarding all the relevant communication. I’m sorry to hear about the issue and understand your frustration. I carefully checked the Bonus Terms on the website, and this is what I found (here):
„1. General Bonus Terms & Conditions
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1.11. You may not place any bets that exceed the maximum bonus bet size when using bonus money. The maximum bonus bet size is 5 EUR (or the equivalent in any other currency) per bet/spin or equivalent, unless it is stated differently in the specific terms and conditions tailored to each bonus campaign. Please note that it is your responsibility to ensure that you are aware of the maximum bonus bet size. For cases where bets are deemed to have exceeded the maximum bonus bet size, an account may be reviewed, and the bonus funds confiscated in the process."
We would like to see casinos implementing systems that would prevent players from placing higher than allowed bets, but, unfortunately, this is not standard practice yet. However, we believe that every case should be evaluated individually.
Please do not hesitate to forward your game history in Excel format along with any relevant communication to petronela.k@casino.guru if you feel that you’ve been accused mistakenly. Could you please advise how much was the last deposit that triggered the bonus?
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue and receive your winnings as soon as possible. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Petronela
80€ to 150% welcome bonus was claimed. I had turned over 30-50% confidently until I played higher than 5€.
This picture came from the finance department. Clear to see how you manipulated the times of the game rounds
This screenshot shows exactly that I started at 01:11 on July 29, 2022 with €1.20 and had not made any spins before that.
After wagering the bonus, €1900 was in the pipeline for withdrawal.
After about 22 hours I wanted to continue playing and I deposited €120 again with no bonuses.
Unfortunately, the €120 quickly went down to around €1 and I decided to cancel one of the payouts in order to continue playing. (By that time I was already verified and in exchange with support)
Here, real money was unintentionally mixed with the winnings resulting from the bonus (technical deficit of the website).
As I continued to play I got up to €9500 and I decided to pay out €7194 of that. The answer was slightly fake game rounds and this email here:
We are writing to you regarding your withdrawal request of €7,194.00. Unfortunately we had to reject your withdrawal request due to a breach of our terms and conditions as you placed bets with an active bonus over the limit:
Therefore, your withdrawal request was rejected and the winnings made were voided. However, your original deposit has been credited to your balance. You are welcome to submit a new withdrawal request.
If you have any additional questions, concerns or comments, please do not hesitate to contact our customer service team.
Kind regards,
Payments cashier.
I had other questions and concerns. However, nobody was willing to talk to me about my situation. All the relatives of the casino operators wanted to leave me dead in the corner. No one felt the need to explain this situation to me. Instead, they always reduced themselves to my violation.
How then do the wrong times come about? Why are you doing nose politics here and not going into detail? After all, you want to run a company seriously.
I wanted to summarize briefly before I send off the gameplay in detail. I will prove with my gaming history that I have not abused bonus money to generate more real money. That is the accusation of bonus money abuse. Bonus money is for the player's enjoyment only and that's exactly how I played with it.
Thank you very much, maestro808, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Matej (matej@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Hello maestro808.
I am sorry to hear about your troubles.
Do you have access to your game log?
Because in cases like yours, it is essential to prove that you didn't gain some benefit by making higher bets.
I would like to invite the casino representative into this case.
Could you please provide us with the maestro808 game log?
We would like to ask the Casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’.
Hello maestro808.
In this situation, I would strongly recommend you contact the licensing authority. In this case, MGA.
Please visit this link and fill out the form:
https://www.mga.org.mt/support/online-gaming-support/
Please let me know when you submit your complaint to the regulator.
This is my second complaint about this form that I have now submitted.
In addition, I submitted a third complaint by email. The first complaint was back in August and it's been over 8 weeks.
I would ask you to adjust the casino's reputation, however, as they are still not willing to clarify and have not shown any reaction.
Dear maestro808.
I understand your feelings, but we still don't know what happened in this case. Because the casino was not responsive, MGA now decides who is right. Meanwhile, I will close this case as Unresolved with status: waiting for the regulator's decision.
Please reopen the case when the MGA sends you the final decision on this complaint, and we will close the case accordingly.
Dear maestro808,
We hope this finds you well. We would like to ask you to provide an update regarding this case, which was previously marked as "Waiting for Regulator" on our website. Your complaint has now been automatically reopened, and we are eager to know if there have been any recent developments or resolutions since our last communication.
If the ADR or the Licensing Authority has resolved things in your favor, please update the thread and send over the official statement to my email. Alternatively, if the ruling favored the casino, your insights are just as crucial.
We understand that some time has passed, but updating your complaint will allow us to take appropriate action, such as issuing black points to the casino in case the ruling is in your favor or warning other players and users about instances where the authority supports the operator.
We truly appreciate your cooperation, and your response would be of great assistance to us.
Thank you in advance for your reply.
🙂 It's very modest of you to ask, but neither Touchcasino nor mga or other authorities have answered or written to me to date. The entire market is completely dubious. But I don't want to put obstacles in anyone's way, so just delete my account and everything associated with it. I'm fed up with this criminal energy that is being radiated here, and in the next life I'll get back everything that was my right. I hope all the worst for these people's karma and I hope that they can't get any rest at night and that their spouses aren't faithful.
Please delete everything immediately.
Thanks
Dear maestro808,
I understand your frustration from the whole situation.
I would like to highlight that in this complaint as you describe it we are on your side and we do not believe that the max bet rule should apply in case that wagering was already finished and especially if we are talking only about the 2 bets which had no impact on already built balance.
Because of that I would like to close this complaint as unresolved. It will affects the casino's safety index and maybe they will notice it and respond. If not your complaint could be at least a warning for the other players.
However if you decide to delete your account and your complaint I can do it, just please consider that if I do so, the casino will be unpunished and you lose a chance that the casino will review your case in the future.
Please let me know how you wish to proceed.
Thanks
Hello, thank you for everything. Very nice but I don't need it any more and I'm not interested in it either. These people will be hit by their own karma. Delete my account, I'm fed up with being here.
I'm not making a decision about whether this stays here or not, it doesn't change the fact that I'm being strung along and no one is looking after my business. It also doesn't change the attitude of the casino operators to their mysterious, cartel-like practices. They would like me to wait with great hope for the money or for a reaction so that my subconscious is always inclined to gamble, but that's exactly what I'm done with. Casinoguru has abused the trust of me and so many other people in order to simply build up a certain amount of hope and trust. This is then supposed to encourage relaxed gaming. I can say thank you with full conviction, because your mysterious behavior with mysterious financiers has made me lose a lot of interest and made me more doubtful and skeptical. They may have made money through all the advertising campaigns etc., but at the same time they are losing people who have escaped their addiction.
Dear maestro808,
I am a bit confused about the content of your last post.
We have been supporting you from the start. When the casino did not respond to the complaint, we always advise players to seek help from the licensing authority as a standard procedure since it is not acceptable for casinos to ignore them. As there was no response from either the licensing authority or the casino, we have decided to close the complaint in your favor, which would penalize the casino and reduce its safety index. However, if you choose to drop this complaint and delete your account, we respect your decision.
This complaint has been dismissed at the player's request.