HomeComplaintsNYspins Casino - Player’s bonus winnings have been cancelled.

NYspins Casino - Player’s bonus winnings have been cancelled.

Amount: €1,100

NYspins Casino
Safety Index:Below average
Submitted: 18 Jul 2020 | Case closed : 09 Mar 2024
Case closed Our verdict

Unjustified complaint

REJECTED

Case summary

1 month ago

The player from Germany has been accused of breaching bonus terms by placing a single bet greater than €5. Therefore, his winnings were confiscated. This complaint was closed as unjustified,

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Hello, it was a long time ago, but at that time I didn't know anything about you and I still can't forget the case and think that my payment was wrongly canceled. That was on December 23, 2017, that the casino confirmed to me yesterday in the chat. I played for the first time at NYSPINS.COM and used the welcome bonus of 100% with the deposit of 100 euros, fulfilled the sales requirements and applied for 1200 euros for payment. It was known to me that I could not play more than 5 euros, which I never had before, otherwise the profit would be lost. Once during the game I accidentally pressed the button once more and thus set the wager of 4 euros per spin to 6 euros. After I only turned twice on 6 euros and won nothing, I noticed it and made a lower bet. Of course, when I refused to pay out, I did not deny it and asked for excuse, because it was not intentional and was a mere accident, which is of course also the case, just because you only pressed twice on 6 euros, you cannot speak of the intention. They only found an alleged reason to refuse to pay out, especially because they played here for the first time and immediately won 1,100 euros. Maybe you can still do something. Thank you. Best regards. L.J.

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3 years ago

Dear L.J.,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. I have checked bonus terms and conditions, and this is what I found https://www.nyspins.com/ca/bonus-terms (worth of mentioning: Version 3.4, dated 2019-10-29):

"The maximum amount you are allowed to bet per spin when playing with a bonus is €5 / $5 / £5 / 50 SEK / 50 NOK / ₹ 500 per bet (or equivalent in any other currency) until the wagering requirements of the bonus have been met. This includes double-up wagers after the game round has been completed, as well as purchasing bonus round features in games such as for example White Rabbit."

We would like to see casinos implementing systems that would prevent players from placing higher than allowed bets, but, unfortunately, this is not a standard practice yet. You were not stopped or blocked when you’ve accidentally increased your bet, and, as a result, you breached the maximum bet rule.

Levon, is there any chance that your account is still active, and you could forward your game history from that period? My email address is petronela.k@casino.guru. I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.

Best regards,

Petronela

 

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Hello Petronela,


yes I still have access to the casino and the case is still saved at the casino. An employee recently confirmed it to me. These are the times when I clicked:

2017-12-23 01:50:26

2017-12-23 01:50:12

2017-12-23 01:50:09

2017-12-22 23:31:38


The last 3 times may be correct, because I don't want to decide whether I only pressed 2 times and so it can be seen that it was not an intentional play. But it makes me doubt that I played so high at the beginning at 23:11:38. Maybe it was written so pure that one can accuse me of the intention and even if I only pressed 4 times, you can still see that it was not an intention, especially if you consider that several thousand turns would have to be made to implement the bonus. For this reason alone, it couldn't have been an intention, since I knew very well that you shouldn't play for more than 5 euros. Why should I do that extra, then I shouldn't have taken a bonus, I didn't deny anything and said several times that it was an oversight, but if the goal is not to pay out your winnings, especially if you are the first times you play and make a profit of 1100 euros, then you will of course be accused of violating the bonus controls. Since such a software block has only been installed in a few casinos, it only speaks of the fact that one still likes to use such means and supposedly one only adheres to the rules. It would be okay if I had played more than 5 euros all the time or if I had won a couple of pushers with them, it was all but not the case. Therefore, there is no doubt that this casino only wanted the reason not to pay out. There is no other explanation for it and I can not imagine that at such a casino that has such a moral, what can achieve. LG L.J.

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3 years ago

Dear L.J.,

Thank you very much for your reply. Do I understand it correctly that you have placed a greater bet than the allowed one 4times? Could you please specify if those spins were winning ones? Ideally, please forward the whole game history from the bonus play. 

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Hello Petronela,


these times from Spins, come from the casino itself. It was the spins on 6 euros won-ZERO. I got a 100 euro bonus and with sales x40 or x50, I don't know exactly how much it was, you had to make 1000 turns yourself if you played for a maximum of 5 euros. I played, but much smaller, which suggests several thousand revolutions. I don't have the complete history, but I can ask the casino. Greetings L.J.

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Thank you very much L.J. for your reply. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Zuzana who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.


PS: If you'll receive your game hostory from the casino, please forward it to zuzana.r@casino.guru.

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Thank you L.J., for all provided information.


I would like to ask the casino what’s their standpoint in this situation.

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Hi Zuzana, I can already say the opinion of the casino pass that say that was the answer I just got in the chat: Yep we canceled it .. with the following basic reason: Max bet limit exceeded violated. And they don't care if I accidentally hit or didn't press 6 euros a few times, the reason is if you don't want to pay out


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Hello Zuzana,


I just received the gameplay from the casino.


You will find it in the attachment in my email to you.


According to the casino, it was the following violations where I played higher:


2017-12-23 01:50:26

2017-12-23 01:50:12

2017-12-23 01:50:09

2017-12-22 23:31:38


As I said, it didn't interest them that it was accidentally, nor did they care that I didn't win anything with these higher stakes.


Although it is clear to see that it was not intentional, especially that I shot thousands of times in the border area, and it also happened that I knew that you shouldn't play for more than 5 euros, why should I use the sales counter violate when I know that I won't get a profit.


As already mentioned in the casino.guru, the casino found an alleged reason to refuse the payment because I was playing there for the first time and made a plus of 1100 euros, most of the casinos pay out of the money you lost to them I hope this casino sees it and pays me my honest win. Kind regards L.J.

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So slowly I have a feeling that I disappear for nothing my time here because it does not respond 🙁

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What should the answers be, for example: we know that it happened to them accidentally and we know that based on their gameplay, they knew that you should not play more than € 5 per spin and therefore had no intention of violating the bonus conditions and we know that it did not affect bonus wagering and that you won nothing from these spins and did nothing else, but we are happy that we have found a "reason" to deny you your fair win.

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I have to say something about it, which I don't think can be a coincidence. Strangely enough, complaints about refusal to pay are always amounts and especially if the player has played at these casinos for the first time or has lost much less than won, and one looks for all sorts of excuses to refuse payment. Chance or intention? Well genauso You can only play DEMO mode if you get paid mostly, only from the money you lost. I am pretty sure that if I had already lost € 10,000 in this casino and then only wanted to withdraw € 1200, then this casino would have paid out and my slip would not have played a role, because if they had not paid out then the further assumptions would have been made lost through me, because then I would definitely never have deposited anything with them again. Since I was purely in profit and it was not clear whether I would continue playing with them, they naturally refused to pay out.

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Good afternoon,


We are sorry to hear you have not enjoyed your experience with us. As you correctly pointed out yourself, you have broken our Terms & Conditions, and this rule applies to every player in order to ensure a safe-playing environment.


Furthermore your claim is from 3 years ago, and it would have been opportune if you raised your concern immediately and not left so much time else.


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Exactly the same statement as back then. First of all, it's been 2.5 years and that doesn't excuse their actions. Why do you say that I myself emphasized that I violated the bonus conditions, I did not if you had read my previous correspondence. I said and that it can be seen that it is so, that it is clear to you that I made it by mistake and, above all, that I did not gain anything from these twists and, as I said, that you did not care because you basically just do not want to pay out and to make your intention appear fair you have found the supposed "reason" and know that I am not to blame. I never denied it either because I never intended to violate the bonus terms, because as an experienced player I always knew that if I intentionally violated the terms I would lose my winnings. Tell me why should I use the bonus when I play against bonus terms and then have no chance of being paid out?

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You emphasised that you violated the bonus conditions because you stated it here"Once during the game I accidentally pressed the button once more and thus set the wager of 4 euros per spin to 6 euros."


It is an unfortunately situation where it is impossible to verify whether it's an accident, as many try to manipulate the system and claim otherwise, so we have no choice but to apply the same rule to every player, and the decision is final.

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You said yourself that I accidentally wrote. You just have to double click and you are not at € 5 but at € 6. They say you can not understand whether it was intentional or not. That is not serious, you can see from the course of the game that I have played several thousands of times for less than € 5, that is more than enough proof that it was not intentional, and that I did nothing from these spins won. Where is the manipulation nice here? They should think it over and look at the case before making such assumptions. But as I have already described, it is too clearly recognizable how they proceeded and you confirm your deliberately unwanted payment behavior and know very well that I am right and know very well that it was an accident, because on purpose you can see what is going on in the game other. Intent is only 100% recognizable on your part, so you can tell what you want, so black does not become white. They have only one way to prove that they are honest and fair when they pay me my fairly earned profit, but I already know that they will not do it because it is clear to me who I am dealing with here.

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Thank you NYspins Casino for your reaction.


I am very sorry Justus but I am afraid we will be forced to close this complaint. You might be right but unfortunately, after such a long time it is hard to get any evidence and we must hold the casino side this time. Just make sure next time you will write to us on time so we will have some chance to have a close look at the current case. I hope you understand our hands are tight this time. 

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Unfortunately I do not understand what it has to do with the fact that it is longer, the limitation period has not yet occurred. You and the casino have the full game history, that's the only evidence that exists then and now. Since you know and understand it, I honestly do not understand what your side is supposed to be as an independent evaluation portal. It is understandable that one hears illogical stuff on the part of the casinos in order not to pay out, but what concerns them does not show quickly. I have had an identical case at another casino and they had no problem paying out because they saw that it only happened a few times and it was not a deliberate process for them and it was my first time playing there and paid € 900 that says more than anything else about this casino. In the case of Nyspins.com, the point is that they do not have good payment behavior and are looking for supposed reasons not to pay out, whether accidentally or not, it is not about fairness but not about having to pay out - that is all. As I said, you got the complete gameplay and the casino has it too, you can't have better proof. I don't think they even bothered to read what I've written so far, otherwise they wouldn't have written the answer.

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yesterday there was suddenly contact to Nyspins.com and Casino.guru, I hardly refuted all the arguments coming from both sides and look, there is no answer suddenly. I honestly have to take a somewhat critical look at the matter. What a shame

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I am very sorry L.J., but you need to understand that we are offering this service for free and we are getting hundreds of complaints so we can not answer you in a minute. Unfortunately, this service is not 24/7. You clearly stated you are aware you breached bonus terms and max bet. Accidently but you did not follow the rules. They have a right to void your winnings if they wish so. Next time try to be more careful. As I told you and from the casino's statement there is not much we can do and I am forced to close this complaint as unjustified. I wish you all the best.


I am sorry we could not be more of a help but you always can write to Licence authority. In terms section 10. you can find the contact info. Here is the email support.mga@mga.org.mt . They might be able to do further investigation and help you.

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