11 months ago
Thanks, really well written.
Exactly the reason is not to complain and be patient, we lost it and eventually getting it back is more than you can expect.
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Execution Pokerstars. Apparently, payment is not voluntary (page 42)
11 months ago
Enter Mr Green in the "Company Name" field and click the "Search" button (the more detailed the entry, the better the search result...)
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11 months ago
It's actually true too. But I have to say now that the various lawyers and PKF did not keep what was promised.
There are certainly enough people who have been told the process several times 2 or 3 years before the contract was signed and that it will then be done after 9-12 months and if that is not the case the money will be executed.
The very reason why this information was given, even though there were almost no successful enforcement proceedings against these companies, makes everyone suspicious.
Because how can you pass on this information to new clients when no case has actually been won for 4 years? That's exactly what nobody understands, it's a bit like luring and promising and if it doesn't work, then bad luck.
That's exactly why many people are now unsettled and rightly so...
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Damingo2001
11 months ago
Really now? This is about complaining, freedom of play, etc.
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11 months ago
I completely understand that, I just try not to get into it, I've done that often enough while playing🤗
I once allowed myself access to the files, so the AW certainly won't do anything. Mine already has 900 pages.
Of course I can't speak for everyone, it would certainly have been nicer before bill55, now we just have to wait...
I try to stay optimistic. And to keep my distance from the processes and inform myself sporadically. Otherwise I would probably turn the wheel too. But I also understand that it can wear you down
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11 months ago
Everyone should consider the following:
The implementation of a (successful) lawsuit can - I speak for Germany - take several years until a final judgment is reached:
- out-of-court settlement negotiations own lawyer <> opponent
- Lawsuit filed after unsuccessful negotiation
- 1. Legal proceedings (judgment or settlement), the verdict may follow 2.
- 2. Legal proceedings in the event of an appeal (judgment or settlement); in the event of a verdict, 3 may follow.
- 3. Legal proceedings in the event of an appeal (judgment or settlement), in the event of a final judgment, if remand to the lower court if necessary 4.
- 4. Retrial
If you then have the title and the opponent doesn't pay, the bailiff has to be "let go" in Germany too, but here no one is spared!
The "compulsory enforcement" here is regulated differently than in Malta, where - with absolute exceptions such as "insolvent" (then you can hang the title on the wall here too) - there is "no escape possible" with a title...
There also seems to be corruption in various "offices". The "Maltese gambling industry" also seems to be influenced by people who are not particularly pleasant. I'm thinking about the murder of " Daphne Caruana Galizia", google it, for example
https://www.stern.de/panorama/weltgeschehen/malta--ermordete-journastin-untersuchte-versschwoerung-von-mafia-und-politik-7684394.html
And please keep in mind that the other side also has "top lawyers", so this sometimes takes an unreasonably long time, as was shown in Germany in the "diesel scandal"...
When the first "casino" trials were conducted (this is all still relatively new case law), no one in Germany knew in 2020 how the higher courts would decide and the lawyers and litigation financiers could not have foreseen that and how the casinos would develop and Maltese politics will go against decisions that are undisputedly legal throughout Europe...
Neither the litigation financiers nor the lawyers could have foreseen this and the litigation financiers are anything but a "social welfare office"!
The opponent uses every legal opportunity and is not afraid to influence politics! Nobody can believe me that Bill55 was created legally(!); All you have to do is look at how much time it normally takes for a law to go from draft to adoption!
Almost only those who have sued, won and have not yet received their money are represented in this forum. The large masses have compared themselves to "miserable odds", signed a confidentiality agreement, and therefore do not appear anywhere and that is exactly the aim of the casino operators: to scare the masses away or to settle for a "bone"...
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11 months ago
You're certainly doing something, I'm also taking part in the sample proceedings.
It would be interesting to see what really happens to those who are already waiting or who should lose the procedure and and and... it will be exciting.
But I think they will definitely get the money back, especially from the big providers.
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11 months ago
I know some who got money from Mr green and others and with a rate of 85%.
Many pkfs only demanded 19% commission out of court. So actually a good deal
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11 months ago
Yes, that happened because - as I already wrote - no one knew how the Maltese courts would behave. There it seems to be just as possible (as in Germany) to "suspend" proceedings with reference to outstanding "high court" decisions (national and ECJ). But in Germany this does not apply to "compulsory enforcement" from "enforceable titles", but only to court proceedings!
In Malta, however, this also seems to apply to compulsory enforcement, i.e. the so-called "execution".
There can be different opinions about whether a settlement or steadfastly enforcing a legitimate claim is the better solution. According to European law, the proceedings cannot be lost at all, because they are "titled demands", they are simply delayed with the aim of wearing people down! An execution judge has already appealed to the ECJ. Nothing better could have happened to anyone!
I don't care about this. For a title worth, for example, €10,000, 85% is a mere €1,500 waiver.
If I wait 5 years and get my money plus interest (for €10,000 that's currently €812.00 per year) *5 = €4,060 + €1,500 that I didn't waive, that's €5,560! The quota you mentioned here is the exception!
There's no quicker or easier way to earn money, but you just need patience...
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11 months ago
On the murder of Daphne Caruana Galizia (see my post above "Everyone should consider the following:")
... Against the background of the murder investigation , Chief of Staff Schembri also resigned and was temporarily arrested . He and former Energy and Tourism Minister Konrad Mizzi were accused by Caruana Galizia of accepting bribes from Fenech. Everyone protests their innocence.
Source: https://www.stern.de/panorama/weltgeschehen/malta--mord-an-journastin---klage-gegen-moeglichen- Drahtziehen-9028720.html
And you can guess three times which MP initiated "Bill55"! No "unknown":
WDR Tagessachau - background
Prevention against gambling addiction, Malta's protective shield for the gambling industry 05/17/2023 8:01 a.m
... Malta wants to protect gambling companies from claims for damages from abroad. The impact on German player protection would be far-reaching. The federal government appears to be clueless, the EU is investigating a complaint.
By Philipp Eckstein , ARD Berlin
The Maltese government is planning to change the law to protect the domestic gambling industry from lawsuits from abroad. Economics Minister Silvio Schembri introduced the project to parliament. Gambling regulation in the country is to be expanded to include a specification: in future, Maltese courts should no longer enforce judgments from abroad against companies and their management if they have a Maltese gambling license and follow local regulations.
Source:
https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/verbraucher/wettprovider-schutz-malta- Klagen-100.html
Understood ?
(Emphasis and underlining by the author, unless personal commentary)
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11 months ago
Where did you get the information that the ECJ had already been called from Malta. ?? What was decided then?
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11 months ago
Nothing has been decided yet. See:
Online gambling – order for reference to the ECJ C-440/23, decision from the highest authority?
Source: XXX .anwalt.de/rechtstipps/online-gluecksspiel-vorlagebe booking-zum-eugh-c-440-23-ruling-von-hoechster-stelle-218969.html
Note: Replace XXX with www in the source (as a "newbie" I am no longer allowed to put a link)
After the Federal Court of Justice has now dealt in particular with the question of reclaiming losses from online casinos in ongoing proceedings, the ECJ is now also entering the discussion. What has been denied by German courts to this day was recently done by a court from Malta. On July 14, 2023, the Maltese Prim'Awla tal-Qorti Ċivili submitted a request for a preliminary ruling on various questions intended to clarify the legal relationship between Maltese gaming offerings and German law. The proceedings are conducted under the ECJ reference number C-440/23.
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11 months ago
Yes, that is already known. This concerns the submitted questions that were sent to the EU Commission. In the video on YouTube from G&L it is explained that the appeal courts from Malta still have to call or are obliged to do so and that hasn't happened yet... at least that was the situation until 2 weeks ago.
That concerns these questions regarding public policy.
it is well explained here
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11 months ago
Do you think that providers who have a German license can also do this liquidation? Or do you think that only those who don't have licenses in Germany anyway but only have licenses from Malta do it?
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11 months ago
Laugh, why all the Maltese AND casinos on Curaçao threw and were sued?? Quite simply, no license for the respective country, it is illegal to claim back all losses. On the other hand, the player has no right to a withdrawal if the casino refuses to pay out. The first individual casinos have now applied for a German license
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11 months ago
11 months ago
Look for the first lawsuits against the managing directors
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11 months ago
I would have read that too, but the result isn't entirely clear to me now... The appeal was rejected and now what?
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11 months ago
Yes, wait until the ECJ decides and then we can move on.
actually almost identical to the executions in Malta. You're also waiting for the ECJ
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11 months ago
aha and it was basically that the PRE-ABIL procedure at the ECJ was dismissed or what?
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