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LTC Casino - Player’s account has been blocked and audited.

Amount: Ł1,496

LTC Casino
Safety Index:Low
Submitted: 07 Mar 2022 | Resolved : 22 Jun 2022
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Case summary

2 years ago

The player from United Kingdom had the account blocked for an audit after accumulating a substantial win.

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2 years ago

Hi there,


i have been playing a huge amount of money at this casino before finally miraculously won big money.

After i have won my account was blocked and not email was sent to let me know why or any kind of explanations.

I contacted the chat support and they explained that they had to check with the game provider if the wins were legitimate, which is acceptable .

Everyday i checked to see if they were any news and the chat operator would tell me that i ha to be patience and wait till the game provider would verify the winnings. i have check everyday and everyday i had the same answer till last Friday which i decided to contact the game provider and they confirmed that they sent all the necessary infos. When i contacted again the chat operator who was annoyed that i was contacting them again he said they still didn't receive anything which i then followed to provide them the email sent to me by the game provider. Al i head from the chat support was "be patience and wait for the email from management" , which never arrives and the chat operator cuts the chat when i keep asking if they could at leat let me know what else is to be investigated after 10 days and especially because they have a response from the game provider.


I really would like to know if u can help to contact the management as the chat provider aren't really helpful and not even sure.


I can provide the proof of my jackpots winnings and game provider emails. The fact that the management refuse to acknowledge my email and the chat operator has denied that the game provider has reply to them i find it very peculiar. I really wanted to believe this casino is honest and still do but at this point i would like your help to speak with the management as they totally ignore emails and the chat operator seems to be a kind of bot or acts like one.


If u need personal info i can provide them via email, i registered only email in this casino as it's a crypto casino and they advertises total anonymity . I did not breach any rules stated in the t&c and i am aware is a lot of money to pay out but its fair to pay out if a player wins.


Thanks a lot for your time.


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2 years ago

Dear millyboo,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. Foremost, allow me to congratulate you on your great win.

Please understand that it is a common procedure for casinos to audit players’ accounts, particularly, after accumulating a substantial win. From our experience, it may take 14 days, but every casino is different and has its own procedure which needs to be followed. That’s why we advise players to be patient and fully cooperate with the casino.

Could you please specify if you have withdrawn any winnings from this casino in the past or this was your very first game session? How many days ago was your withdrawal requested?

Lastly, could you please clarify the disputed amount as the one on the forwarded screenshot (541.949 LTC) differs from the submitted one?


Hopefully, we will be able to help you as soon as possible. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

Petronela

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2 years ago

Dear Petronella,


thanks for your fast reply.


The total amount that has to be paid is in total : 1496 LTC , the 541 was the amount in my account before winning the biggest jackpot.

I actually won another jackpot of 300 ltc the same week but didn't think to take a screenshot and only took a screenshot the second time because i simply couldn't believe it myself as never literally won anything in casinos and wanted to show this miracle to my family.


I actually managed to make withdrawals at this casino an they were also very fast in all honestly and when they blocked my account i did find it very peculiar simply because they did not even sent me an email to explain why and what was the procedure.


I totally get it that investigations has to be done and i have not issues with that as i followed the rules of the casino but the fact that management hasn't replied to my email and the chat did not give any sort of info or rough eta so after a week i started to stress out.


I never been in a situation like that as i never won a jackpot or neither a big lump of money and i truly hope the casino will act honestly, so far i can't complained to be honest as my cashout were paid fast and will be happy to promote the casino for free and bring them business as if they pay out my winnings that would be the best casino i actually ever registered in my life.


Has to be said tough that i have payed lots of money before i actually won and played a lot.


I wouldn't even raise a complaint if the chat operator would have told the management to send mean email of acknowledgment just to reassure me but so far i am not even sure if the chat operator is a bot or a person as all i have been told is "please wait and be patience" and when i make any questions i get the chat closed.


I truly hope that the casino will pay out the winnings and if u have a section where people can review the casino i'll be very happy to speak greatly about them once management acknowledges me.

i truly didn't want to raise the complaint as i like to give the benefit of the doubt to people but i really need some reassurances by the management as it has been not responsive to my only email i have sent and this is the reason i kept asking everyday to the chat operator about updates everyday.


Thanks again for your time .


Best regards.


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2 years ago

Thank you very much, millyboo, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Andrej (andrej.p@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.  

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2 years ago

Dear millyboo,

From now on, I’ll be in charge of your complaint. I’ll contact the casino and see if I can help.

 

I would like to invite LTC Casino team to join this thread.

Dear casino team,

Could you please indicate a time frame in which millyboo can expect their winnings to be available for withdrawal?

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2 years ago

Hi there,


thanks a lot.


I truly hope the casino will reply as so far the chat operator refused to pass a manager contact and all i need is to know an eta since is going to be almost two week in a few days.


Thanks a lot.


Best regards.


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2 years ago

Hello, Dear Player and Casino Guru Representatives


LTC Casino constantly strives to provide the most user-friendly experience in the world of crypto gambling. Therefore, we ensure instant payouts according to the limits stated in our Terms and Conditions. As you have noted, you enjoyed the same treatment with your previous winnings at LTC Casino. We also do not require verification, as we consider it a crucial aspect of a crypto casino.

 

Unfortunately, it makes LTC Casino attracting not only to genuine players but also to fraudsters who seek to exploit vulnerabilities, such as game bugs, that may arise through no fault of ours. In exceptional circumstances, we reserve the right to conduct an investigation for up to three months, as stated in our rules. However, this does not mean that the investigation will necessarily take that long, as we have no intention to unduly withhold players' winnings.

 

LTC Casino has paid out much larger amounts in the past and continues to do so. Still, we believe that in the current state of affairs it would be appropriate to conduct a more thorough investigation since the confluence of factors has led us to doubt. We will be glad to start paying out winnings as soon as we make sure that there is no fraudulent activity on the customer's part.

 

We employ an anti-fraud system following global online gambling standards. As you may know, no software is devoid of bugs, including online casino games. It's in our best intentions to equally protect ourselves and our players.

 

Our system has associated four accounts that we believe belong to the same person. This information was considered in the further analysis. It came to our attention that in a short period of time, the player has won three maximum jackpots in the Power of Gods: Hades slot from the Wazdan studio. Given the low probability of such an event, we asked Wazdan to verify the results. The provider's statement suggests that only a few rounds have been analyzed. However, we do not rule out that a possible slot error may arise at longer distances, which were not examined in this case.

 

Presently, we keep expecting a more detailed response from the studio. We have disabled all Wazdan games at LTC Casino pending the investigative findings. Although the provider insists that there was no malfunction during the specified rounds, we consider this measure reasonable based on our previous experience.

 

Recently, LTC Casino fell victim to a group of scammers who exploited a bug in Felix Gaming slots. Back then, the provider also initially refused to acknowledge any problems with its software. It only became apparent to them several months later after the bug was identified in more casinos. We understand that providers may be reluctant to recognize fallacies, given that it entails reimbursements, damage to reputation, and other risks. As of today, LTC Casino does not support Felix Gaming and Wazdan titles.

 

We cannot exclude the possibility that the provider may not be aware of the malfunction until it is pushed to conduct a more detailed analysis. It is our understanding that the provider's own investigation is currently underway, as we requested detailed information about the player's bets two weeks ago and still waiting for the answer.

 

During our own investigation, we couldn't help but notice suspicious patterns in the player's activity. Firstly, the player has opened at least 4 accounts at LTC Casino. From the losing accounts, they contacted support and demanded a return of their deposits, threatening with reputational damages, as shown on the screenshot below.


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Subsequently, the player used one of the accounts from which they had previously blackmailed LTC Casino to obtain information about the payout in the question. This serves to reconfirm that the accounts belong to the same person.

 

More importantly, from all the accounts, the player participated in the same game, namely Power of Gods: Hades, without any exceptions. To be clear, only from the last account they placed about 50 thousand bets, while the length of individual game sessions exceeds 16 hours.

 

Wazdan games have an autospin feature with a max limit of 1,000 spins. Thus, the player's presence is required to continue the game throughout the whole session, even using the feature. Given the length of the sessions and non-stop betting in one game, we suspect that the player could use specialized software to exploit a bug if there is any. What's more, players have to reactivate autospins manually, so we expect to see some delay between the autospin sessions. However, we do not see such a delay in the betting history. In other words, the game went on continuously for thousands of spins without any interruptions. It only confirms our hypothesis about some kind of software being used.

 

We continue to analyze the betting history and await a detailed response from Wazdan. Nevertheless, from what we can perceive now, the behavior of this player drastically differs from the usual gaming activity of other players at an online casino.

 

Furthermore, the same player has created several dozen complaints against other casinos on gambling forums, trying to reclaim their deposits under various pretexts, including blackmail, like in our case. Most of these complaints were rejected as unfounded by the administration of the respective websites.

 

The customer claims to be a UK player. Although we have no way to verify this claim, since we do not request documents as part of our standard procedure, we also question it. Our casino is inaccessible for UK IP addresses, while the player's login history shows completely different countries. The player's writing style on online forums and in live chat further confirms our assumption. Although we are not in a position to discriminate against any player and treat all customers equally, this makes the matter even more suspicious.

 

While pressuring our support, the player also indicated that their Coinbase account was banned after playing at LTC Casino. Please note that Coinbase terms prohibit any transactions for gambling purposes. You can find numerous complaints from Coinbase users who had their accounts blocked for the same reason. Thus, the player violated the exchange rules and naturally got their account suspended. This had to happen eventually while playing at LTC Casino cannot be considered as a standalone reason.


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As always, we are glad to pay out any legitimate winnings and regularly do so, setting high standards for the crypto gambling industry. However, we have every reason to believe that we are dealing with an individual or group of individuals trying to profit from exploits and other dubious practices at online casinos. We are continuing our investigation and will make an appropriate decision based on the results.

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2 years ago

Dear Lucy casino management,


firstly I would like to thank you to firstly acknowledge me as I was never sent an email to be updated or even explained the situation.


I actually played from the Uk and Use a vpn which is not forbidden in your casino actually adviced unluckily other sites.

I took screenshots where where u site states so.

My previous accounts were under time out and not blackmailed as I was playing lot of money and loosing constantly. Also your site does not forbig the opening of other accounts and since deposits limits are not offered i decided to have time out and when I felt to play again I used another email which not only is not forbidden but highly advised.


When I ask your site to close my account the chat operator say he didn't care if one player couldn't stop playing to just don't play.

Which made me upset as vulnerable players are in danger but u could definitely close my account when i won the money.


I did not use anu software and thats for sure ,I'm not that tech liberally and i did played continuosly this is true and perhaps this is reason i won? If u investigated u will also realised I played over 15k in Uk pounds, one can lose but can one loose forever?


I'm 100% sure i did not do anything else than play costanttly, which it worked fine for your casino till u were gaining my money bit now it seems to be a problem once i won? the jackpot were won in 3 differenti times, once when i first open my account and after I actually won a small jackpot I lost all the money, all of it, the last two times I must admit when I won the two jackpot in such close time I was amazed and surprised as and simply thought after all the money spent on your site and the hours I playeda God must have helped me.


I did not use a software and this is a fact ,the game provider verified that and im not friend of them,i could have said the same when i lost constantly and i could have thought the games qere rigged.


Regarding the coinbase account im not sure why the close my account as I have used coinbase for years and also used it for gambling but in all truth I was over one year i didn't gamble so not sure they changed the rules on gambling, and I honesty thought since the casino had not license that they probable closed it because of the and even asked u if that could be the case.


You said u have not reason to believe I don't come from the uk, I have not issues to send u a proof of that, I have nothing to hide and if u need a proof of my passport I can provide that.

I have played so much money in your site and lost it all and now because I have won ,for once in my life a big amount I have to pass for an hakker or gang?


I am not , the money i have played were from my saving ,it all comes from one single bank account, unfortunately mine.


I truly hope you will pay the winnings as I did follow all the rules on your site, and if the slot I played was generous for whatever reason is not my fault, I do not have skills or a criminal mind to create that as if I had this " bug " or software as u call it why would I have won such a small jackpot 2 months ago and not the biggest one?


Btw, when i complained with the casino was because the casino did not offer depsoit limits and u also removed the time out option and u do not allowed allow players to self exlude yourself.


When offering screenshot u should show the whole chat and also I ruthless the chat operators are.


I would advice you to offer time out and also self-exclusion, and since u manager to block my ip u shoudl also off offer that to players of they request it and not tell them to just don't play.


From my side I have a clean conscience as I have simply played over and over and after I have won the second jackpot I increased the bet to the maximum bet which I actually read the t&c before as many casino have hidden rules and I did not find a rule against the amount of time to play and neither maximum for bet.


I ahev lost so much much money at your casino that my drive was to get it back playing it thinking eventually I would have won and I did.


My request of cash out still stand as I am 100% sure im not an haker and not a gang, and I can prove my identity to the casino as I have absolutely nothing to hide.


It is sad as is so easy to make thousand and thousands of pounds in deposits and nobody question you but when is time to pay out u even refuse to belive the game provider which has nothing to do with me as they proved I did not do anything illegal.


Maybe for once luck was on the side of the player and for once on my life that I have own i even have to be called scammer? Not once was questioned when I played and lost all my hard money.


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Saying that, I have full trust in your casino ,unfortunately im not that clever to create bugs or trick softwares, and If I was so clever why I would have wasted over 15k on your casino of my own money?

It makes no sense u must agree and you well know how much I played and how long I played for.


Nobody seemed to care till the casino was winning, but now it seems strange?

When.i asked my account to be closed the chat operator was brutal and didn't care as he probably knew the casino would have made more money.


Perhaps u shouldnt give option to play max bet or offer slots with smallet jackpots, but u can't make up assumptions that are not proved as it is impossible u can prove that because i didn't.


The slot was probably honest and after I played for so long because of desperation it finally realased the winning.

If your casino is an honest casino it will pay out my winning and it will prove to any player that is worthy to play at, and I'll be more than happy to be your testimonial.


I'm in good faith and if u really are in good faith too i have not issues as honesty should be rewarded.


Again ,thanks for the acknowledgement as i was really worried this was going to be another of this fraudulent casino were casino just ignores you when is time to pay out.


Best regards.


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2 years ago

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This is from your websites, u actually very happy to advertise players to open even 100 emails!!

But from the sound of your response I was dodgy?

I never use an account together, I use the time out options as I needed a break and hope new ones when I was ready to play again.


I did not breach any rules as u mentioned in your casino many casino d9 not allowed multiple accounts to be opened but LTc casino do.


Also u have removed the Time out option and refused to close my account when I asked but happy to take my money but now u make su h a big deal because u ought me 1496 LtC.


Also why the casino never even bothered to email me to explain the account was going under an investigation?


The only way for your casino to be trusted by the community is to pay a legitimate winnings.

I can prove I'm a legitimate winner ,can u prove you are legitimate casino and not another new casino who operates without license to be able to trick players into make deposits and then refuse to pay big winnings and deny game provider professional skills?


I truly hope u will come to terms that casino should play players even when once in a while the casino doesn't win.


I truly hope u will pay .


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2 years ago

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Hi Administrator, here where the casino promotes opening multiple accounts.

A screenshot of the jackpot and on also the email of the game provider.

The chat operator first denied that they actually recieved the ge provider reply not knowing I was in contact with them and they sent the reply the Friday after they close my account. Now it appears that not even the game provider seems enough for the casino to pay the winnings.


They are trying so hard to find excuses, when they allow and promote multiple accounts, they suggest to use vpn and they are suggesting offensive assumptions as how one can accuse a player of circumvent a software without proves especially when the game provider did their checks?


im in good faith and im not the one running a casino without a license.


Unfortunately I sa this casino had a good reputation in casino guru, and this should be rectify if they don't pay the winnings.


I have not issues to give as much information as needed to help the case but i will not accept defamation from the casino without proof that they won't be able to give as I did not cheat or breach the rules.


I truly hope they will come to terms that if they run a casino especially with the t&c that they have they should pay.


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2 years ago

Hi Administrator and Ltc casino.

My account at Ltc casino is still close and now they block me also to contact the chat operators and obviously not a single email has ever been answered.


I have few questions for the casino that would be interesting to know what they have to say.


1) why the casino promotes in their F&Q the option to open multiple accounts and once a player wins they make it sounds as is not allowed? ( One can find this in their F&Q section)


2) Why promoting Vpn pen and then make it sound a bit deal when a player use it or being worried if a player plays from uk, it shouldn't be a problem since the casino is anonymous.


3) Why offer big jackpots if they give hard time to cashout or not even paying it .


4) Why they assume winning two jackpots in unluckily? Isn't a random chance or they are hiding something a player doesn't know? I did win my first one 2 months ago, and the last two two weeks ago, i was even more surprised than them to be honest,but again after spending so much money and playng for so long i felt that eventually a slot would have pay out.


5) why the casino feels strange a player only plays the same slot? Since i have won a small jackpot 2 months ago i felt that this was my lucky slots and players do tend to have a favourite game especially if it gives a win.


6) How come the casino complaints that the players has played so many times for long periods, admits that there is not manipulation yet they do not provide a time reality check option,or a time limit? Even worse a time out option? They had it at the begging and they remove it. I have asked the chat operator to close my account and ruthlessly denied it saying to simply dont play not caring for a second about vulnerable players,if one can't stop the casino makes simply more money exploiting players vulnerability. The screenshot that they provided was actually a complaints about puting vulnerable players are risk and it is not fair they refuse not to close an account under request but they will block your IP when they have to payout. Worse things i have seen so far.


7) How come they promote fast withdrawals with not limits but the moment the casino has to pay a big winning they come out with a list of excuses that contradict their own rules.


8 ) Why they suggest to use coinbase in their F&Q knowingly gambling is prohibited to use in this site ? I was not even aware if it as I did not gamble for long time and i never had an issue before ,if things have changed I wasn't surely aware but the casino seemed to be aware ,yet they suggest players in their F&Q to use it. They even making assumptions i did something illegal in there when the only mistake on my side was use my coinbase wallet to deposit at Ltc casino,if i didn't i would probably would have my account still. They are making accusations without any proof again.


9) why accusing a player or making assumptions without a single proof that they have used a bug software especially when the game provider did all the checks? I'm so confident this is a lie because i wouldn't have a clue how to even think something like that.


10) The casino should seriously offer time out and self-exclusion or be aware that a player might find it difficult to stop playing and play over and over. The majority of times the player end up loosing lots of money ,very rarely a players wins but on this instance happened and this was due the casino not being able to provide tools for vulnerable players. This time the players won and because of that they should pay out and consider to re offer the time out option, deposit limits ,time reality check and mostly self-exclusion ( ip ban as u did to me for not paying me).


To close i would like to say that because I'm 100% sure I did not cheat the casino should treat player with kindness and give the benefit of the doubt and not treating players as criminals without being able to prove such assumptions.


So far my money was hard earned money, I played honestly ,can the casino say the same on how they are running this casino?


They are keep ignoring me but because of the amount I have played in this casino is not possible for me to let this go especially because I never won anything and this time is my time to get something back.


Hopefully the casino will acknowledge me and after over 2 weeks looking for cheating and not finding a single prove they will simply pay what is ought to me.

They can check as much as they want but the reality is that they won't find anything because I simply did not cheat . One would think a modern casino would dected such things or trust the game provider ,but of course they don't when is time to pay out!


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2 years ago

Thank you, LTC Casino team, for clarifying, and thank you, millyboo, for your input.

 

Dear millyboo,

Considering the circumstances and the fact that the casino team, due to the general suspicion, insists on conducting a more thorough investigation of your gameplay, I’m afraid that for now, all I can recommend is to stay patient and wait for the game provider to conclude the investigation, and provides a final statement. If you played fairly, I truly believe you have nothing to worry about.

As mentioned above by the casino representative, the casino reserves the right to block a player’s account for a period of up to 3 months, while the player’s gameplay is under investigation. With that being said, we’re hoping for a more timely resolution to this situation. We’ll wait for further updates from the casino team.

 

Dear LTC Casino team,

I’d like to kindly ask you to provide the relevant betting history from millyboo’s gaming account. This information as well as any other relevant evidence can be forwarded to andrej.p@casino.guru.

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2 years ago

Hello.


I have sent the history of player's activity to the provided email.

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Hi Andrei, I have nothing to fear if checks up are done honestly and correctly.

It would be good if a third party could check ,again I have nothing to hide so I have not fear that something could be found.


Would be good if the casino could clarity that the investigation and the reason if solemnly because they have to check the legality of the winnings as in their first message they mentioned many other things such multiple accounts opening which is allowed and the doubts of where I was paying which again shouldn't be an issue as the use of vpn is allowed and prompted by the casino , and I can easily prove that I live in the UK and the only reason I have used a v0nnwas to access the site as it highly advised by the casino.


Unfortunately I cannot access my account and if LTC casino could email me the transactions history with my blockchain transactions would be helpful since the have banned my IP and they do not reply to my email.


Clients should be treated as such ,not everyone is scammer and treating people as guilty before verifying the fact in my eyes is very discriminatory, especially when I know I have done nothing wrong.


Rules were followed by the book accordingly their t&c and their F&Q Rules.


Thanks again for your time and help.


Best regards.


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Hi Andrej, have you got any updates about the investigation and how long it would roughly take to check the game history?

where u sent the 4 accounts history?

I don't have a clue how this sort of stuff normally takes and i was wondering if you could help to understand what sort of waiting time this normally takes.


Thanks a lot for your help and time.


Best regards.


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2 years ago

Dear millyboo,

Given the circumstances, I truly believe that the multiple accounts, nor your use of a VPN will be an issue.

When reviewing the game history provided by the casino representative, we found nothing outright out of the ordinary.

We haven’t yet received any updates from the casino representative regarding the additional review of your gameplay by the game provider and I’m afraid that I won’t be able to give you an estimate of the waiting time. According to the casino’s Terms and Conditions, investigation in cases like yours can take up to 90 days, but we believe there’s no reason for the investigation to take that long. Since the casino insists on the game provider conducting a more thorough review, it seems that it will all depend on how promptly the game provider provides the casino team with a final statement/result of the additional investigation.

 

With that being said, we would like to ask LTC Casino team to give us an update on this matter. I’m setting the timer for 7 days.

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Hi Andrej,


thank you so much. I knew nothing would have been found as i wouldn't have a clue how to cheat and it is not my style. Unfortunately the casino is chasing unicorns as they will never find anything, i am actually glad u were given my play history as you can clearly see there is not tricks.


i am in contact with the game provider too as the casino denied they replied to them when they first did the checkups as they didn't know i also contacted the wazdan team as the chat operator of the casino was lying and the managers never acknowledged me till i raise the issue in the forum.


Wonder if once the game provider will do the further checks if the casino will come out with another excuse for not paying me, i know for sure they won't find anything.


Thanks again.


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Hi Andrey,


the game provider just emailed me that they finished their checks and they emailed the casino.


I can prove that they sent the results , let's see if the casino now will pay.

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Thank you, millyboo, for the update. We'll wait for the casino team to provide a statement.

In the meantime, please feel free to forward any relevant communication between you and the game provider to andrej.p@casino.guru.

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Thanks Andrej,


i have emailed the wadzan support email like that you can see they did sent the results to LTC casino.


Now is just a matter of time for LTC casino to come to terms that they have to pay honest winners.

It has been a very long month and hopefully the casino is honest and will do what has promised.

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2 years ago

HI LTC casino,


day 3 after the game provider sent you the results, a months has passed now since you blocked my account.


Could you please update me on when my account will be reopen?

Since the game provider sent you the game results again i am wondering if you can finally give an eta of when i'll finally be able to access my account.

I trust you have done the best in this past month to try to find some cheating, again, i am very confident you found nothing and u won't as i did not cheat, and the game provider confirmed twice as casino guru rep after checking my playing history.


It would be nice if you could be transparent and let me know when my account will be reopen.


Thanks

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Ltc casino is there any particular reason that "the most fair " casino chat operator closes the chat as soon i contact them?

Do honest casino do not reply to email or they try to avoid like the plague players that they won and the casino keeps their winnings?

Or not reply to a single email?

I can't believe that i have been called suspicious when every actions from LTC casino has so many red flags.

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Hello, esteemed player and forum administration.


At this time I can acknowledge receiving a response from the provider, however there was no information in the response provided other than the probability of winning the jackpot.


We are continuing to investigate and have resubmitted to the provider a number of questions that need to be answered. These include, among others, the following:


- Did the player change the volatility (the slot provides that option)

- If he did, at what points, is there no correlation between jackpots and changes in volatility.

- Whether there were pauses in the game to change volatility (we assume that the mechanical process of changing volatility involves interruptions of autospins function, accordingly, there must be pauses. If there were no pauses, it may indicate the use of specialized prohibited software.


This is only a number of questions, we can not publish others so as not to harm the investigation.


I think it's obvious to everyone that these questions are essential to the investigation.


As soon as we get the answers and complete the investigation, I will report the results immediately.


Thank you for your understanding and patience.


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Good morning Ltc casino rep,


thanks for your reply.

 Could you please share the response of the probability of winning the jackpot?

I have not use an auto spins even once.


I am not sure what is a volatility can u please explain to me what is this?

However i am glad you have responded.


Could you please let me know if once you have this answers from the game provider i will finally get paid?


i have not cheated so i need to be reassured that once the game provider send you the results of your inquiry  i will get my winnings.


Also since the investigation is lasting so long will i be able to withdrawn the month worth of daily withdrawals or for big jackpot winnings u do pay the winnings all together?


Thanks again for your update.


Best regards.

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Good morning Ltc casino rep,


thanks for your reply.

 Could you please share the response of the probability of winning the jackpot?

I have not use an auto spins even once.


I am not sure what is a volatility can u please explain to me what is this?

However i am glad you have responded.


Also in this months have you send all the possible questions and ask all the possible checks or every time you have asked the game provider what is needed you ask the for new stuff?


It has been over a month now and i am not getting how come every time the game provider replies to you it seems that new requests are made to them if what you are looking for is not given.( cheating finding)


At what point you will accept the fact that there was not cheating?


I am telling you that because i did not cheat and it feels the casino is keeping asking further checks because not cheating hasn't been found.

Is the game provider not delivering your requests or you are asking more stuff every time the casino does not find cheating?


I would have thought this last time was going to be the last time, so i need to understand if you will ask more requests to the game provider once they give you what you ask for, or you have ask the game provider all this stuff initially and they never delivered what you ask for at once?


I am not a tech savvy so i am not sure what sort of checks should be done but after over a month with the game provider collaborating and not finding anything yet what else will come up next time the game provider will come out with the answers you don't like?


Cheating on my side never occurred and i feel the casino will never accept the findings of the game provider because is not what the casino wants to hear.


Could you please let me know if once you have this answers from the game provider i will finally get paid, or you keeping extra requests in case the casino once again will confirm i did not cheat.


If i was such an haker i wouldn't have wasted way over 15k pf my own money would i?


i have not cheated so i need to be reassured that once the game provider send you the results of your inquiry i will get my winnings.


Also since the investigation is lasting so long will i be able to withdrawn the month worth of daily withdrawals or for big jackpot winnings u do pay the winnings all together?


Thanks again for your update.


Best regards.

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Dear Andrej,


here is where the truth lies.


The casino is inventing excuses for not paying, it is crystal clear.

The game provider said they have done all that could have been done , after a month they are still making up excuses and it clear this casino is acting suspiciously.


Over a month for investigations?

If they had anything they would have already published it, but they simply can't afford it or paying for big wins.

KIndly let me know what shall i do as there is not point to wait another week for their lies the game provider said theer is notthing more from their ends, the casino is simply lying,


I am so upset by all this lies and been accused by an unlicensed casino who have stole my money.


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Hi Andrej, here is the last email from wazdan , i received this morning.

Why they would saying that if it wasn't true?

Please Kindly ask LTC casino to share this statement as it clear by now what ltc casino is doing.


The matter should concern your site as your site has given this casino a good reputation review and they do not deserve it, even the guest reviews aren't good and not sure why a brand new casino get's this good points .


Clients will be deceived to play at this casino and they must at least warned.

It has been over a month the casino has refused your game history evaluations and refuses the game provider truth .


So unless the casino can show the statement provided by the Wadzan what's the point to keep this complaint form , so far they only provided excuses and not a single piece of evidence that support them to keep my money.


Rogue casinos do that not casinos with integrity.


i hope you can see my point as its well over a month now.


Thanks again for your time.

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2 years ago

Dear millyboo,

First of all, I would like to apologize for the delay in responding and thank you for your e-mails and the updates on the matter.

According to the last information we received from the casino, the investigation of your gameplay hasn’t been concluded simply because the casino team considers the existing statements provided by Wazdan to be insufficient and insists on the game provider performing more detailed checks as well as providing a statement which would include answers to certain additional questions regarding your gameplay.

 

As mentioned earlier, when reviewing the game history, we found no irregularities that could alone be used as a reason for non-payment. The most recent statements provided by the game provider only confirm this.

All things considered, if there are no other suspicions related to millyboo’s gameplay or their gaming account that require analysis from a 3rd party, we believe there’s no reason for further delaying payment of millyboo's winnings.

 

We would like to ask LTC Casino team to reply to this thread. We are setting the timer for 7 days.

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2 years ago

Dear Andrej,


thanks for your reply, much appreciated.

My account was close at LTC casino the 26th of Feb, how normally last investigations of this kind?

The casino hasn't accepted few times the game provider reply as didn't accept your checks.


They brag to have a very long experience in the gambling industry and yet they haven't managed to find a real reason to keep my money , i understand the investigation, but will they ever accept that there was not cheating and that a casino must pay a player even if is hard to pay a big win?

My question is as i don't understand much ot bugs , would a professional casino have found something already after so long?

They have said they had a similar case in their casino before so they must have the tools and knowledge if there was something illegal , obviously they are struggling with my case because u can't find what didn't happen.

For me they are buying time as the game provider stated that they did all they asked for, but of course the casino find it hard to come to terms that listening to the game provider will mean they have to pay the player.


There was not transparency from this casino from day one as i am 100% sure they would have ignored me if i didn't open this can of warms.


Could you please tell me how likely an honest and licensed casino would have close the player account and never send them an email explain why and the making sure the chat operator closes the chat when they get contacted.


This is why i find hard to trust them as they simply ignored me from the day the close my account hoping for me to go away as if!!! They keep saying i used an autospin and not even once i used it !!! Can u tell from the game history as there is not way in hell they can prove that as i hate autospins. Not sure that would have been relevant anyways but the fact that they keep saying this makes not sense to me as i didn't.


I would like to know how long more this case will have to stay open as the game provider the 31th of Mach send the email saying they were not happy with the casino false infos about their company and THEY were waiting a feedback from the casino.


It's all very confusing as game provider and even you checked and you both agree on not cheating , yet the casino who makes this assumptions has provide zero evidence and after well over a month they still at it.


i hope you can put a warning in your rates till the casino come up clean as players seeing the good reputation review might be tempted to sign in and they might find themselves in my shoes.


The way the casino has been dealing with the matter is not very professional if u ask me as they literally ignore me till i opened a compliant in forums.


Why is that if they were honest about it the investigation?


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2 years ago

Dear millyboo,

I’m afraid I won’t be able to give you an estimate on the time frame as it depends on the casino’s approach. Cases like yours are usually treated individually. According to the casino’s Terms and Conditions, the investigation can take up to 3 months, however, since the only missing information is an official statement from the game provider, who has already confirmed twice that no inconsistencies were found in your gameplay, we believe this matter should have already been concluded on the casino’s end.

With that being said, in case there are no developments by the time the set timer expires, this complaint will be closed as ‘Unresolved’, which will affect the casino rating.

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Thank you.


I am convinced now that the casino is simply planning of not paying me and use this " up to 3 months" crazy t&c rules to buy time and do others what they did to me.


They clearly don't care about their reputation and I know for a fact they are not acting lile an legitimate casino because theu never even send me an email to justify my account blocked.

Which honest casino does that if they really acting in good faith?

The chat operator blocks me when i try to have updates ,honest casino face the problems rogues ones do eaxcly what Ltc casino is doing.


They shoudl be in a rogue casino list and people be warned as this is as as it gets!


Thanks for help, hopefully they will read that and they will consider paying but by after so long I doubt it.


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Hi Andreyj, has LTC casino been in tuch since last time they wrote here?


two weeks since they wrote the same esxuses and 3 weeks since the game provider send them the offical statetmet.


Whats the next step now?

The casino has reputablet casino score here in casino guru and many people like me they will believe that and fall for it and ended up in my same situation.


Have i been scammed or the casino will finally ay the money that they took from me?


Any updates would be appreciated as is now 2 weeks since they showed their faces.

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During the investigation, we encountered more uncertainties on top of the technical issues with the game. Specifically, they relate to how Wazdan communicates with us and the player, which only strengthened our suspicions.


We asked the provider multiple questions, including: 


-Detailed analysis of all rounds and sessions, not only winning ones; 


-At what speed and volatility was the game played? These parameters are not passed to our backend, but they must be on the provider's side. 


-A request to consider and comment on 16-hour long sessions with turbo spins played exclusively in one slot from all the accounts regardless of the result (after the jackpot, the player continued the game, including the period when they won three Grand jackpots in a short time).


Of the whole range of questions, the provider answered only one - regarding the probability of winning the Grand jackpot. For the record, it is 1/166,945 games. In this case, the Grand jackpot was won three times within 13,000 spins. Even prior to receiving the abovementioned response, we assumed a very low probability of hitting the Grand Jackpot thrice in such a short period of time. That's why we suspended the player’s account, preventing them from further exploiting a possible bug and hoping that Wazdan would shed light on what was happening.


Unfortunately, Wazdan completely ignored all other subjects, although the situation obviously required further clarification. In parallel, the provider was in touch with the player, assuring them that they had instructed the operator to make payment. We expect game providers to follow the B2B model where they do not bypass their customers to reach end-users as it is basic professional ethics.


The provider also notified us that the player was constantly contacting them on the issue. The provider expressed concern about their reputation, as the player was spreading negative messages on the forums. In turn, we hold the view that Wazdan's actions were unethical and unprofessional. In addition to communicating directly with the player, they ignored our questions, which are critical for the matter.


To that end, we have reasons to distrust the Wazdan studio. They behave like an interested party and withhold essential information, whether trying to avoid reputational risks or being in collusion with the player. On the balance of evidence, we remain convinced that the Power of Gods: Hades game may contain a bug that makes winning the jackpot a non-random event under certain conditions. We also do not exclude that the bug could be fixed by the provider without making it public.


As for the player, their further communications reveal even more inconsistencies. For example, the player contacted us offering to give up a third of the amount in order to speed up the payout. You don't expect regular players to do that, but it is a common practice among fraudsters since urgency is one of their main weapons.

The provider also did not clarify the situation around the hours-long sessions with thousands of uninterrupted spins, which is practically unattainable with the built-in tools of the game since the auto play is limited to a thousand spins and then there should be at least a slight delay. Thus, we believe that the player used third-party software, aimed, among other things, at exploiting a potential vulnerability in the game, which is a direct violation of the LTC Casino rules.


A similar situation arose earlier with Felix Gaming software. Read more about that here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5385638


In short, Felix Gaming admitted that another player had used a script instead of the officially certified client allowing them to change the bet size right in the bonus game. And these bugs are not found by chance - highly trained teams that abuse vulnerabilities in online casinos for huge profits do that. Hopefully, in the present situation, the truth will come out in time as well.


We'd like to remind that the player also threatened LTC Casino, as they admitted themselves. This is another violation of LTC Casino's terms and conditions.


Due to egregious violations, we have made a decision to withhold the payout. The decision is final. We have also ceased all operations with Wazdan due to the loss of trust and their questionable business practices. In addition, we publicly urge other casino operators to pay special attention to Wazdan titles, including previous results, due to a potential vulnerability in their games.


P.S. We have no right to make privat correspondence public but we may provide it to the forum administration.

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Andrej it seems that tou gameplay checks were not good enough, the game provider cecks were not good enough.


The casino is stealing my money deposits and my winnings.


The casino has proven to be rogue unlicensed casino and i truly hope you will make sure players are warned by this behaviour.


All their lies and not proving one single point.


they believe they there is a bug but where is the prove??

Now they even pointing fingers at the game provider!!!


ND WHAT FAULT DO I HAVE IF THAT WAS THE CASE??


THE game provider gave them an official statement . they never gave me anything beside admitting the truth as casino guru did , there was nothing of the ordinary on my playing.


I knew it since they blocked my account as they never acted like a professional casino.


The first week they ignored my emails and the chat operator was either very rude or closed my chats.


Only rogues casinos acts like that.


i have faith in casino guru and as a player i truly hope you will try to prevent this casino to do same other players because this a scam of the worst kid and is not ending here.

The reviews speak of themselves already, only thing they are real player experiences .


They robbed over 15k and now they are laughing.


Please at least give them the score that they deserve: rogue casino!


I hope my over 15k will be needed for medical bills.

The reputable casino score will ruin so mnany players as we do trust casino guru and they shouldn't mix with this sort of unetichal individuals they are out there to scam people.


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Here we go the most secrete official statemtent!


This is the reason ltc casino did not want to share the truth,and now they will spend my winning on a court case.


And this was only because they want to rib people and not paying!


They have mess with the wrong girl!

Dang!!


Casino guru, if Ltc casino still refuse to pay i think is time to wrap this up and lower their score to the scam level as the truth has finally come out.


They call me a scammer!!!

The cheek of them !

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2 years ago

Hi Andrej, any updates?


The casino has publicly announced that they won't pay me.

They have denied the game provider statement, they even had the audacity to say they are my friends!

I want to ask you if is possible to share the my gameplay history, he casino ha blocked my account and prevented me to obtain my own data.

The only people who can share the data is me and the casino, the game provider is not allowed legally to do so.


Since the casino is preventing me to share my own data what's the solution? This casino is still operating and probably scamming more people.


BITCOINTALK community has supported my red flag as it became obvious the casino has been lying all along and have not produced any evidence against my cheating.


I believe is time to close the matter and give the casino the rate they deserve as till the rate is not changed the casino will make more victims.

Please check also the reviews of other players i am not the only one not getting paid.


I have full trust in casino guru and i believe justice will be served.


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Dear player, if you post prvider's (or person who make posts from provider's name) messeges from another forums you should post our replies to their comments I guess.

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You can do that yourself.

Also you have implied that me and the game provider are friends not realising how crazy that sounds.


Data was never shared to me by the game provider as you lied , they simply said that they relied to your emails.

All have you been doing is lying Ltc casino.


Can you please at least answer to one question: why yo are not sharing my gameplay if you are so sure I have cheated?


You wanted the game provider to lie? I don't know things about bugs but you also said i have used a software.


The game history can prove i haven't.


Casino guru check the game history you decide to send them and you belittle also casino guru professionality.

Am i bestie also with casino guru?


Let me find what you wrote about casino guru checks because you respect nobody.


You are indefensible , the whole bitcointalk community gave you a chance and wat did you ?? Silence and hiding the from everyone MY DATA , i can't share my data because you blocked my account to prevent me to share the evidence against your ill practice.


Let me check the bitcointalk thread and find what you wrote about casino guru checks .


Everyone is wrong except you. Just pay the winnings and try to savage what is left to save.

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2 years ago

Hi Andrej,


I have few questions.

You have asked my gameplay history. Has Ltc casino sent you what you requested?

Will the checks my gameplay would clear the fact that not software was used?


Ltc casino said i have played for 16 hours in a row without a break which I know is not true, I took breaks. The game history must show that, will it?


Ltc casino stated that the game history is not going to help the case so why ltc casino refuses to share it in bitcointalk forum? What is it hiding?


Also here is what they said about your checks.

Btw is not only casino guru opinion that the gameplay had not irregularities but also the game provider.


Of course now nobodies opinion is good enough as the casino will not accept the truth.


Also ocean Affiliate lied in Guard dog site saying I have won 4 jackpot in a row.


Just for the record I have won 3 and none of them were in a row. And they were all different amounts. Why would i pick the smallest jackpot if i had the power to win the big one?

One was won in jan and two end of Feb. one day apart the last two. Never ever in a row,,, but Ltc casino hides he gameplay like that people can't see the lies.


Please Ltc casino if you want to lie in public forum at least keep track of your lies.


Here is what you said :


https://imgur.com/a/nUTUoDI


In closing if you have issues with the game provider is none of my problems as I simply wants to get pay for my winnings.


The game provider said they send you all you asked for and you said they didn't.


I'm in the middle and you still try to put mud on me.


How fair is that?

the game provider said they refuse to lie and to take your side.

Meantime 2 months have past and u walk away with my money.

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https://imgur.com/a/CzvZCkJ


Andrej does this emails gives the impression that me and the game provider are friends? Or they gave any data?


I have send them so many emails as the casino was lying saying the game provider was not replying to them and in one point they start to defaming the game provider again assuming that they game provider might cause the bug! And i was friend of them!!!!

They are probably use to do this thing so they think everyone is like them.


Honestly!!! This sound so mental to even think of something like that but they casino not only thought of it but made this accusation public as the game provider was not in the forum and i simply copy and accusation and send them to the game provider.

The game provider never reply to my email they decided to step in and defend themselves from the accusations as the casino suggested other casino not to use wadzan products because they " might have bugs".


The imaginary bugs in ltc casino mind.

I wonder if they realise that all the accusation they have made they must be supported by evidence they can't just go public and accuse everyone just because they can't or not want to pay a player.


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Hi Andrej, its me again.

Firstly i must apologies for the numerous messages i am sending you but i am extremely stressed by this situation and i am mentally fatigued by it all.


I wanted to ask you if you could please pass me my gameplay sent to you by the casino since the casino as refused to pass it to me and i must have some kind of rights regarding my data and the casino for obvious reason has blocked me in order to prevent me to access my game history and data.

The casino has totally ignored my request and i feel such a data should be a player right to have, of course i am not expecting the casino to turn all of a sudden fair or honest and pass it to me , but i was wondering if you could pass it to me.

The casino has promised to share their investigation at the end of their verdict including the game history but as per usual they fail and they refuse to share the game history.


Thanks again for your time.


Best regards.

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2 years ago

https://imgur.com/a/dbADo0V


Hi Andrej, i hope u are better.


Here is a screenshot from Andrey TTR blog where it clearly states if a provider let a player wins will have to be eliminated.


https://ttrblog.ru/forum/threads/everum-casino.1340/page-90


LtC casino kindly wrote the owner information's in bitcoin talk.


TTR is also in Guard dog as the ceo of ltc casino.


Been weeks that you haven't updated the complaint, hopefully if u are better today it will .


Thanks again.


Best regards.

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2 years ago

Hello millyboo.


Unfortunately, Andrej is still sick, so we decided that I will take over the case for now.


Don't worry while Andrej is sick the investigation is ongoing just Andrej (we) didn't inform you here about the progress. Soon I will post what we found and the conclusion. I am very sorry for the delay in communication, and I can imagine how you feel.

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2 years ago

Matej thank you.

Also the casino stated they where in constant contact with casino guru. Is this true?

From this thread it appears they weren't .

Updates of this complaint would be amazing as it has now been two month since the casino stolen my money.


THANKS AGAIN.


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2 years ago

Dear casino representative and dear millyboo,


We carefully analysed all the evidence, and I split the case into three parts.


The game log:


We checked the game log repeatedly, but we didn't see any sign of an inhuman pattern. (unusual behaviour)


Millyboo played a lot, but not so much that we should be afraid it was impossible or unhealthy. From the log, we can see that there are healthy breaks, changes in bet sizes, and an unequal number of spins in each minute. We don't think that some kind of automatic software was used.


The chance of winning three jackpots:


We calculated that the chance of winning three jackpots from 13000 spins (with a probability of 1:166000) is 1:13738


This is not a highly improbable result as the casino presents it. This chance is possible, and we don't see a reason to accept this as evidence of some manipulation.

(we can present the math if necessary)


Wazdan game provider issues:


Each game provider goes through lots of tests. I am not saying that errors are impossible, just that it is highly unlikely that there was some error which triggered the jackpot. From player correspondence + reaction of the Wazdan on the public forum, everything is correct on their end. If the casino has doubts about the outcome, you can: stop cooperating with them, sue them, find evidence that you were correct and ask Wazdan for compensation. Still, the casino shouldn't transfer the doubts about the game provider to the player. 


Logic is simple:

Suppose I would manufacture cars, and some faulty components will cause an accident. In that case, the car company is responsible (and subsequently can sue the sub delivery company), but the car company can't say to the victim: you know that's the problem of faulty parts and not our problem.


If the casino believes that Wazdan is hiding something, you have the right to investigate the case for three months. (as you mentioned earlier, based on casino terms) I think that three months is enough time to find something relevant. However, I must say that none of such evidence has been provided so far.

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Dear Matej,

thank you.


I would like to know what will happen next.

Ltc casino stated that they weren't going to pay regardless and they have been silent for too long, probably because they can't prove their lies.

I know i have played a lot but i had breaks as i am a human and i do have human needs, but they lied saying i actually play for 16 hours and every spin was less than a second.

Thankfully you have checked the game history as the game provider did and the truth has come out.


I wanted to ask Ltc casino why accept deposits if they have not intentions to pay players?

Why even want to be promoted among honest and credible sites if they act like a rogue casino?

I haven't cheated and the casino should pay my winnings, as i mentioned before i am willing to accept 1000ltc instead of 1496ltc if the payment could be done at once an not in a million months.


I doubt they will pay as so far the way they have acted has been offensive and unreasonable as they threated me like i was the scammer when they know the scammer is not me.


In case of the casino refuses to pay me, will casino guru change their score?

I was allured to play in this casino simply because they were given a reputable casino score and it is important to warn players of their ill practice if even in front of the most obvious evidence they simply refuse to pay.


I want to thank casino guru for your time and work and honesty as this few months have been very hard on me for personal reasons and on top this monumental scam.


Matej, what's the next step? Will u be changing the casino score today?


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The next step is to discuss the results of our investigation with the casino: if it is possible to convince them to pay the winnings or at least provide us with some undoubtful proof that the games were manipulated. So far, there is no evidence that the winnings were not legitimate.

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I honestly lost my hopes on the casino paying .two months have pasted and for what i have seen they simply don't care.

They accepted a red flag in bitcointalk and they refused to share my game play because they knew that would have show the integrity of them.


At this point i easier i actually win the national lottery than this casino pays my winnings.

At first i truly trust them that they were honest and the long investigation was legitimate as i never won anything and thought was a normal procedure, but slowly the lies and the way the addressed me without a shred of evidence made me realise what sort of casino i was dealing with.

Such a pity as it was a cool site till i have won, then it turned into other millions unlicensed site that jst takes deposits and block accounts.


i have seen all the complaints in casino guru and so many similar stories is painful.

One looses hope in humanity.

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Btw, after another week of silence from the casino and what they wrote , which they made it clear they will not be paying will in another week of waiting if they don't pay casino guru will finally close the complaint?


I feel the more time is given the more people will be scammed.

I have never used the word scam till the casino refuse to pay even tough the game provider made a statement and they say themselves this was a scam.

I personally lost all faith in casino and i feel for the players that in god faith will find this casino in casino guru and they will get scammed if god forbidden lady luck touches them.


They have been give two months and beside all the proves they still refuse to play.


Game provider issues shouldn't have been my issues, i trust their judgement because I did not cheat.

Bugs business is out of my hands , but this game has been out for 10 months and not casino has raise a complaint. Perhaps other casino find it normal to pay a player when they win? And they do accept the game provider results?


I 'm sick by all of this as i feel the casino has been given so much credit without any reason and now that they are proving to be a rogue casino by their behaviour they still given an extra week.


I'm honestly dishearten.


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I spoke with the casino representative about this case.


They understand our point of view but still have some doubts and would like to continue with the investigation. As I wrote in the complaint, they have the right to do it. However, they must provide some relevant evidence in a reasonable time frame. 


Because, in this case, the amount is significant - I suggest waiting until they end up the investigation. (timeframe by terms)


I believe that the amount is worth waiting and we will discover for sure where is the truth.

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Hi Daniel,

for my understanding the casino has publicly stated that they weren't going to pay me. Correct?


Beside the game provider and the gameplay who was checked by wadzan and casino guru what else is left to check?

I am really wondering why a casino who clearly has been lying not only here but in other forums has been given so much credit.

They also have another complaint in casino guru and i can definetely feel for the player as that happened to me as well, they do exploit vulnerable players.


Infacts this wa my first conplaint to the casino when I asked my account to to be closed and the chat operator said he didnt care if people had addictions, they simply shoud have stop play . as if eas all.so easy!

Predator behaviour.


To be honest im not suprised casino guru has given them more time, and I'm pretty sure nothing will happen after the 3 months investigation.

This casino has been able to operate under a beautiful review written by casino guru and any player who made the mistake to trust the review is in danger.


I have sent all my evidence, its over 2 months now where is the casino evidence?


They lied about me not having breaks and playing spins with less than than a second each with not brakes!!! U had my mum in hospital in another country I had breaks indeed as I did lot of phone calls. You have seen my gameplay!!!! You have made the verdict and now u are giving thsi casino extra time to scam people throuhh your site.


This is truly sickening , so far the only people who syand by the players and the truth has been bitcointalk community where they are truly unbiased.


I am very disappointed as i feel casino guru is enabling this individuals to scam others.


I have not cheated and 100% sure I didn't, you have checked my game history and u know i haven't. I had not issues to show all the evidence i had to prove my innocence and the casino has only provided lies, one after the other.


It is is true , the casino always wins and the players is too small to fight them and the people who supports them.


Wonder why there is so many suicides in the gambling world. people get exploited qnd chetaed evryday by casinos and nobody stand by the cheated or the vulnerable.


I woudl like the casino complaint to be clsoed and their score Lowered as promised as other players are in danger .


I wonder how can you feel comfortable to have such casino in your list and letting down the playets who unfortunately come accross this casino reviews and gets scammed simply because they trust your score. They dont knwo this casino, they trust your score.


Im extremely disappointed by this as it has been 2 months of pure hell, my mental health is gone and I feel now that you are actually standing by the casino. 2 months and still not prove and yet you continue to promote this site and not worry about players who trust your site.


For me my money is gone,is clear that they are not going to pay ,they just want more traffic from your site..


put an hand in your conscience and think of those who will fell victim of ltc casino.


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Hi there,


It was brought to my attention that this video was shared in TTR telegram channel with Andrey TTR the ceo of Ltc casino( accordingly to guard Dog propfile) .


I was passed the translation i was given too. I do not speak Russian but if you have any speaking Russian staff would be good to double check.

Here below video and translation.


https://youtu.be/LGsL7jAt-qM


He would have had no problem paying out this amount if the win had been legitimate - this amount is peanuts.

2. The reason for no-payment is that a new player, started playing at their casino using a bunch of VPNs and multiple accounts, around 7 or 8.

3. The player was playing only one slot game

4. He lost around 5-10K EUR from the first three registered accounts (he does not remember exactly how much)

5. Following this loss, the player began blackmailing them and threatening to sue them, claiming to be from the UKGC..

6. Following that, the player created more accounts, and from the last account, with a balance of 10 Litecoins, the player won three jackpots at 3000x each in a row from 13,000 spins.

7. The thing about this slot game is that it has a range of volatility levels ranging from low to super high.

8. According to the player's game history, he was only using the lowest volatility setting when he won the jackpot, however, the jackpot is only available when using the highest volatility setting.

9. They closed his account and forwarded it to the game provider (Wazdan) for verification.

10. After nearly a month of waiting, the provider responded that everything is OK, but without providing any proper piece of information.

11. They then created a straight to the point list of questions and sent it to Wazdan once more.

12. They ended up sending the same list to Wazdan, but they never replied fuck all... Yes exactly like that!

13. They had had enough and sent a request to the company from which they connect games (Softswiss).

14. Softswiss specialists examined the player's gaming history and concluded that it is 100% fraud, and the player should be banned, and they will check Wazdan further. And asked them (the LTC casino) to stay aside.

15. He then says that they discovered a similar case with Wazdan on AskGamblers, in which a player won a massive multiplier and Wazdan initially refused to admit that the game had a bug, but later admitted.

16. When he compared his situation to theirs, he realised that it was very similar because Wazdan was unable to answer some of their questions.

17. The player appears to be from the UK, and his standard practice is to register at unlicensed casinos and then file complaints and blackmail, among other things, after losing money.

18. After the player was informed that he would not be receiving the money, TTR began receiving messages from various gaming (fake) commissions as well as DDOS attacks.

19. He personally believes that Wazdan has a vulnerability in the game and that the entire situation is typical of crypto casino scammers, as there are many similar topics on Bitcointalk.

 

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I would like to point out few clarification.

I have opened 4 accounts and not 7-8 as Ltc casino Andrey N states.

It was confirmed by ltc casino in his first reply of my complaint.


Use of Vpn is highly advertised in ltc casino blog as the opening of multiple accounts. Not breaching there as he wants to make it sounds to his Russian fans.


I have lost more than that but also won my first jackpots in January and lost of the money again thats why I ask the chat operator to close my account as it was a loosing game and couldn't stop playing . The chat operator said he didn't care to just don't play.

I opted to take time out as I needed a break to play and lost lot of money.

After a break I opened another account as previous one was in time out.


Lost again lot of money , again tried to close my account same reply, at this time I got very upset as they where refusing again to close my account eventough I told them this was explotation of vulnerable players .

Wrote an email asking to close it and if they refused again I would have contacted the ukgc commission. Very true i did that as at this point I felt powerless and that the casino had this multiples accounts system specifically to exploit players. Play and repeat till 4th account. The previous ones they had ar least a time out but on the 4th accounts they remove the responsable gambling option.it so kept playing not stop as I couldn't access the time out


The last week of Feb i mamaged to win 2 big jackpots . not 3 in a row as they say but 2 on day appart.

Ii need to share the game i was playing as this was not a progressive jackpot but 1 of 4 lovk bonus options .


https://wazdan.com/en/games/game/168


I would like to know since Softswiss made the checks on my gameplay history and accordingly to their expert if an official statement will be release.

Also I'm adamant I did not use a software and ill expect that casino guru

will compare the game history that they were given initially from ltc casino rep. 100% FRAUD ? If we are speaking about my game history is impossible i know bevause i didn't cheat and I would like casino guru to have the proves of which game history softswiss has checked. Regarding the bugs is not my problem and I wouldn't know of there was a bug or not in this game.


That is up to ltc casino, wadzan and now softswiss. I shouldn't be blamed if that was the case ,but to me it appears ltc casino simply doesn't want to pay because they just don't wan 'to. They treated as guilty from the very first day.

Regarding the accusation of the attacks i actually had to change rhe password so many times as some individuals from Russia were trying to log in intp my accounts. The attacks the mr TTR claim to have recieved aren't surely from me, he has way more expertise than me in this branch and he was accusef in the past to attack a site for publish an interview about him and shiow his true colours. i can share the article of needed, so he can stop accusing people of stuff he has been publicly accused. Perhaps he has more enemies than he thinks?


In closing ,Ltc ceo believes that wadzan has some vulnerability, but in this industry nobody wins or lose in believes but with evidence.


The vulnerabilities has nothing to do with me, if the game has it Ltc casino vero can prove and deal with the matter accordingly , i have played with my money and won. My gameplay is all i have to prove my credibilty and unless gets altered im 100% that can prove not foul play simply because I didn't cheat.


Casino guru checked it and wadzan checked it. Since Andrej Ttr publicly stated that siftswiss expert checked the gameplay i would like ltc rep to share the findings with casino guru and also conpare if is the same game play.


Thanks for your time and i would like ltc casino squad to stop lying about the accounts opened and the number of jackpots won in a row.


If they actually checked the game before putting in the site they would have realised that there is not progressive jackpot and a player wins lots of jackpots during the play, all different values..


I wish they woyld just stop lying at least and get one with the evidente.


Thanks for your time.


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One last share:


https://thegamblingcommunity.com/forum/index.php?/topic/6217-sick-gambler/&do=


This post wad share by Ltc casino ceo bragging about winning so much money in a 30 min session. one bet of 90 rubles.


How can this is possible and me playing two months well over 15k is impossible?


I know he will never pay my winning s but it now my duty to make sure not other players gets scammed.


And I strongly suggest ltc casino to reinstall the responsible gaming option and do not advertise the use of multiple accounts, especially if they will use that aganist the players. Many of this illegal casino target uk vulnerable players and they should simply stop.


I have seen many complaints from other players and they should seriously to act less predatory.


Anyways.. ill be waiting the evidence from the casino since they asked more time . I know they won't pay not matter what but i will be interresting how casino guru will deal with it.


Many forums with all the evidence i gave anfd the not evidence the casino provided has sided the players.


Gotta go now.


Have a nice day.

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https://youtu.be/LGsL7jAt-qM


pls let me know if u can open this video.

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2 years ago

Hello millyboo.


I can confirm that we are cross-checking everything because some information from you and the casino is in contradiction.

(Casino provided us with an explanation - most of that was mentioned in the video)


I would like to mention that we do not promote any casino with a rating above 8. (LTC don't have this rating), So I don't see a necessity to reduce a casino's rating at this point. We have more cases open about this casino now, and they are proceeding correctly there.


As I wrote before, no evidence from the casino proves what they stated. However, we agreed that they could continue with the investigation. (as they have the legal right to do it)


Some of the evidence is easy to check, some not, and we need to wait (Softswiss report). 


We never make a swift judgment. Our decisions in cases are based on facts. If you have the feeling that we do not investigate fast enough or I am not responding to your every message. In that case, it is only because I don't want to overwhelm the case with unimportant information, and I want to write a new comment only when we make some progress.


You won a lot of money, and honestly, I don't know many players who would let this case be only in exchange for lowering the casino's rating. It is admirable, but I can imagine that it also increases the suspicion of the casino. I still believe that we can convince the casino to pay you if there is no other evidence. So let's wait a bit longer.


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Hi Matej, of course I want to be paid! But I have done lot of research on this casino and by all the lies that they said I'm convinced they won't.

In my eyes they never had intentions to do it as as soon as I won they blocked me and never let me know they were going to investigate the winnings. I have never won something like that un my life but I found it strange that any casino blocks an account and does not let the player why. They let me know why through the complaint chanel after a week . First ref flag.

The casino has treating as guilty from start.

The assumption and the lies and the mixed accusations without really evidences. Also the fact that they were lying about the game provider not replying to them. They implied I was friend of the provider when the provider never pass me any data ,they simply told me that they replied to the casino. I never asked if the gameplay had something weird as i was not cheating i was sure and in good in faith. I don't need anyone to comfirm i didn't cheat when I didn't.

Then the casino from me being the scammer switched on badmouthing the game provider. Bugs ,not bugs, probabilities etc. In all this what fault i could have? my gameplay in my eyes was checked by the game provider and casino guru. i felt relieved that third parties could check as it was very upsetting being called a scammer from a casino that in my eyes was scamming me and they have scammed me . Unfortunately unless they prove otherwise this is my viewing. I'm not accepting anymore false accusations. Words without facts and evidence are just defamatory no sense. They have done that to me and they did to wadzan. If the game has vulnerability the casino should prove it, the fact the Andrej TTR says he believes there is, means absolutely nothing without proving it. Again ,if that was the case where is my fault?

Will the casino pay and apologies to me? Doubt it.


You said i look suspicious because i rarher have the lowering of the casino than the money?? I have been fighting months with this people and nothing has come out ,i havs lost hope in the whole gambling systems to be honest.

If you managed to actually made them pay i would extremely surprised

i even asked to just refund my deposits at this points because I'm sooooo sick of it all .

I hold not hopes at all.

I'm just extremely tired of it all and angry. I have my mother in a rehabilitation clinic post stroke and can't even see her. This pasts month have been true hell and been called a scammer while I am trying to overcome the hardest time of my life has been extremely challenging.

Don't want pity ,but this is not the only battle I'm fighting and my persistance is driven by anger and sadness.

Right now I don't believe in miracles especially after what happened to my beautiful mum ,and ltc casino paying my winning will be nothing kess than a miracle.

Do u believe in miracle? I don't!

I thought my winnings were a miracle till i realised the casino was never going to pay me.


I asked for transparency all the way ,i had not fear to have my game history checked and even asked them to send you the deposits history as all the bets i have made where my money and lot of it.


Anyways thanks for the updates. Hopefully softswiss will be unbiased. What the relationship with Ltc casino btw?


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One last thing, in the past month I have to change the passwords almost daily and of my emails because some ip from Russia was trying to log in on my emails. I have not connection from Russia. Do I have an idea who that could be? Yes, do I make accusations eventoigh I'm pretty sure who that could be?

Accusation without evidence is just defamation.

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Hi Matteo, i have just seen Ltc casino has 10 day left to reply . Fom an extra week now they have 10 extra days?

After the 10 extra day how much more time you will kindly give them to provide evidence?

Ltc ceo made a statement in the video i have shared that softwiss has checked my game history and said it was 100% fraud.

Peculiar since casino guru and wadzan checked my game history and yound nothing wrong.

Are you going to ask them for Softwiss statement?

Also i would like like to know if the casino history checked by Softswiss will b3 compared by casino guru? I know I haven't cheated and I'm if what Andrej ttr is true, first will need to share the findings and second the relationship they have with Softswiss as there is not way this could be true.


But it might as well be another lie of TTR owner as so far they only been able to lie without proving evidence and denie the reql evidences.


Why if Softswiss made this big discovery theya re not sharing it?

Also TTr owner said the wadzan had a similar issue with bugs and there was a complaint in ask gamblers i have checked everywhere and there is not such a thing in the net.


I would like an update Mattej pleaee as i would like to know why che are given so much extra time, its well over 2 months now.


After the public video of TTR's in Russian of course , why they are not actually share the evidence where is needed?


Mean time plenty of players will be scammed by this people because in casino guru they have a reputable casino score.


I bet next year tmwe will be still year but only with more complaints from players ...but do players really matters?


We are only here to feed the industry , dosent really matters if unlicensed casino exploit players and steal their money, because I am afraid this is actually theft.


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@ltccasino could you please share the evidence of softswiss findings to be able to state gameplay is 100% fraud?

Do you have a statement who proves what your ceo Andrey makes in his video?

I have reached out to softwiss and waiting for their replies as softswiss is now involved in the matter as publicly stated by Andréy ttr.


Wonder how come softswiss is even involved with a casino with not license at all and with such a predatory ways against vulnerable gamblers.


Casino guru, any updates from. your side?

I am.still waiting for ltc casino to provide a shred of evidence and since a softswiss specialists made my gameplay and stated is 100% fraud Ltc casino should provide this evidence.


Also can ltc casino provides that evidence of a wadzan game having bugs and the case in ask gamblers? I checked and checked and couldn't find anything, again, I wonder how can a casino makes so many accusation and not be able to provide any evidences.


I have reached out to softwiss ceo now and will update this thread once they reply to me as it will be interesting to know if Ltc casino ceo is lying again. and also to know how come a big company as softswiss is even involved with a casino with not licence that so publicly has not shame to exploit vulnerable players .


Ltc casino kindly provide the softswiss specialists findings please.


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2 years ago

Hello, esteemed player and Casino Guru repsresentative.


I apologize for not being able to answer every question and comment, so I will try to finally describe our position on this case in one post.


As we have repeatedly stated, we suspect the player of using vulnerabilities in the game provider's software to win. Among other reasons, our suspicions are reinforced by the following factors:


- The player's use of only one slot for all gaming activity over an extended period of time.


- The absence of pauses in the game.


- Ignoring by the game provider Wazdan our specific questions about the gaming activity of this player, including the possibility of winning such amounts using low volatility and so on and so forth.


- A recent case where Felix Gaming provider also had a vulnerability that allowed players to dishonestly win hundreds of thousands of euros and the similarity of this case to the current one.


Our suspicions are also reinforced by the player's past activity on specific forums - you can find many complaints opened by the player against the most different casinos on several forums. Including, a regular practice for the player was the use of blackmail, which he, among other things, tried to do with our casino. The simple trick was that the player would make a deposit, use a British IP address and withdraw the money if he won. In the case of a loss the player began to blackmail the casino with complaints to the law enforcement authorities in the UK to get his deposit back.


Our conviction, based on years of experience, led us to contact for further investigation the higher authorities - White Label Provider (SoftSwiss), which operates our casino. For your understanding, we do not interact with the provider directly, we interact with the provider through SoftSwiss.


We trust SoftSwiss and are convinced that they will involve both experts and the licensing authorities to investigate. We are ready to fully trust SoftSwiss decision on this case and we will comply with it no matter what it is.


If it is found that the player acted honestly - we will pay out the winnings, as we have already repeatedly paid out much larger amounts of winnings to other players.

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Dear ltc casino, thanks to at least acknowledged the case.


First i like to know why Andrey ttr the ceo of ltc casino and owner stated in a video published in TTR CASINO channel in telegram in Russian that softswiss has checked my gameplay and confirmed was 100% fraud? And now you are saying that soft Swiss expert are investigating.


As I stated previously i have not issues for third parties to check my gameplay because i did not cheat and even less used a software. You are saying that i made not pause but i did and the game play will show if softswiss is honest they will realize that and confirm it. Casino guru and wadzan checked , ok you have your issues with wadzan but why casino guru would have to lie??

Regarding the bugs and vulnerabilities this i out of my hands i don't honestly even truly understand what that implies as i don't understand much of IT.


Regarding the fact i have made complaints in forums about some casinos that exploit players this is not being a scammer but a player that feel the casino has taken advantage. I asked your chat operator to close my account as i couldn't stop playing and you chat operator was rude and brutal and simply told me no, and to just don't play. That's why i put the first 3 accounts in time out. Haven't u checked?? Please check and you might realised you simply dealing with someone that asked for help and have his account close and your site refused. That's why out of frustration i made a formal complaint to your support site and told them if my account wouldn't be closed and my money refunded i would have reported you to the UKGC. That happened only when you casino clearly exploit vulnerable players and your ceo brags in forums that his casino respect problems gamblers.


Regarding me using one slot i have nothing to defend , this slot is actually really cool and the fact that i actually won a jackpot at the beginning made me play over and over in hope i would win again. You can make as many assumptions as you like but you must consider that lots of players will come to site like yours from UK because they have banned themselves at gamstop , and unfortunately when we fail ourselves again we are left with unlicensed casino that exploit players like yours.

i am not here to look for pity as i have none for me, i failed myself once again after a very long period without playing. Unfortunately gambling is a symptom that hides bigger problems and i have used gambling as coping mechanism for many years. In january somethig really bad happens to my mum and i gamble continuously to numb the pain. I have asked your casino to close my account as i couldn't stop. YOU REFUSED!!! You were happy to take my money , money made out of pain and tears. You knew i was a problem gambler, you refuse to block me even tough you received my formal complaint and though i was a scammer?


So you let me play and then planned to take my money if i ever was going to win? Is this honest? Does your casino who promotes fairness have any integrity at all?


By the way the volatility of the game was not at the lowest but i had two chilies when i won the jackpot which is not a progressive jackpot and the reason i have won the biggest is because i was playing max bet.

Funnily enough i discovered in this forum that the chillies on the slot was not the speed of the spin. That's how big of an hacker i am !! ( sarcasm)


In closing , i truly hope once softwiss ends the investigation and not foul play will find on my side if they are honest they will see it as the other two party did. I am confident they won't because i didn't.


I have won honestly and i should be paid and i truly hope you keep your promise and pay the winnings at once since you have dragged this case to the max and caused me a proper breakdown. i am not sleeping anymore , not eating and I'm obsessed to find justice. If i was a scammer i would have moved on and use this amazing skills you think i have.


Here below the video made by Andrey "TTR" Nikolaev in TTR Channel in telegram. It is in Russian but someone translated this for me in another forum. Why would he lie and said that softswiss made the checks and im 100% fraud? If thy did they can share and prove it tough , words are worth nothing without evidence.


I truly hope the matter will end soon and justice will be done.


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Here is the video and the translation ,please explain why Andrey.TTR said that softswiss checked my game play and he said that's im 100% fraud.

Not chance in a million years if softwiss checks my gameplay and states I have used a software. I simply didn't and I bet you know this too with 15 years of experience.


Is really ugly what you are doing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGsL7jAt-qM&feature=emb_logo


He talks about a lot of things that are unrelated to OP's cases. The main points are as follows:


1. He would have had no problem paying out this amount if the win had been legitimate - this amount is peanuts.


2. The reason for no-payment is that a new player, started playing at their casino using a bunch of VPNs and multiple accounts, around 7 or 8.


3. The player was playing only one slot game


4. He lost around 5-10K EUR from the first three registered accounts (he does not remember exactly how much)


5. Following this loss, the player began blackmailing them and threatening to sue them, claiming to be from the UKGC..


6. Following that, the player created more accounts, and from the last account, with a balance of 10 Litecoins, the player won three jackpots at 3000x each in a row from 13,000 spins.


7. The thing about this slot game is that it has a range of volatility levels ranging from low to super high.


8. According to the player's game history, he was only using the lowest volatility setting when he won the jackpot, however, the jackpot is only available when using the highest volatility setting.


9. They closed his account and forwarded it to the game provider (Wazdan) for verification.


10. After nearly a month of waiting, the provider responded that everything is OK, but without providing any proper piece of information.


11. They then created a straight to the point list of questions and sent it to Wazdan once more.


12. They ended up sending the same list to Wazdan, but they never replied fuck all... Yes exactly like that!


13. They had had enough and sent a request to the company from which they connect games (Softswiss).


14. Softswiss specialists examined the player's gaming history and concluded that it is 100% fraud, and the player should be banned, and they will check Wazdan further. And asked them (the LTC casino) to stay aside.


15. He then says that they discovered a similar case with Wazdan on AskGamblers, in which a player won a massive multiplier and Wazdan initially refused to admit that the game had a bug, but later admitted.


16. When he compared his situation to theirs, he realised that it was very similar because Wazdan was unable to answer some of their questions.


17. The player appears to be from the UK, and his standard practice is to register at unlicensed casinos and then file complaints and blackmail, among other things, after losing money.


18. After the player was informed that he would not be receiving the money, TTR began receiving messages from various gaming (fake) commissions as well as DDOS attacks.


19. He personally believes that Wazdan has a vulnerability in the game and that the entire situation is typical of crypto casino scammers, as there are many similar topics on Bitcointalk.

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Hi Matteo, could you please ask Ltc casino to explain where are the proves that softwiss checked my game history and stated that i was a fraud?


Ltc casino disappeared and still didn't provide any evidence.

How many months or years casino guru will give to ltc casino to prove their accusation?


from the 21/04/2022 they had plenty of time to prove their accusations.

it is almost 3 months now and not real evidence have been given.


is this a joke? They come back with the same story but nothing again.

Softswiss shouls be contacted to see if what ltc ceo said is true or not and an official statemtent should be given.


The casino insists i had not breaks and is not true, casino guru made the checks too ,not only wadzan and both comfirmed i didn't cheat.


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Hello millyboo.


Please focus on what we are doing here in the case. (the video from TTR is not important at the moment - the SoftSwiss report is not finished, so nobody knows what they discover)


What we know so far: we didn't find any irregularities in your play. However, LTC casino is not convinced about that because you won 3 times a jackpot in 2 days and because Wazdan had some issues with their games. Therefore they asked SoftSwiss to check the game record. This investigation is ongoing, and the casino has the right to that investigation. There is a time frame for such an investigation (3 months), so you don't need to worry about waiting years. 


From our perspective, everything is correct. The casino has the legal power to do such an investigation, and as we confirmed, we didn't find anything suspicious. 


We believe that SoftSwiss is now more focused on the vulnerability of the game. Such investigation takes some time.


If the investigation proves that everything was correct, the LTC Casino promised to pay you the full amount.


If the investigation proves that you manipulated the game or that the game had a malfunction (even if this was not under your control), in such event, the bets are considered void, and you will get back your deposits - in case of malfunction) 


We are still waiting for the report, so please be patient. When the report comes, we will also check the report's authenticity to be 100% sure.

Please also consider how your messages look from a casino and 3rd party perspective. You are repeating over and over the same things, and it seems like you don't want to wait for the result of the investigation (which can completely clear all doubts), so the casino is even more suspicious about you.

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Hi Mattej,


thanks for your reply.

Sounds fine by be me, as long casino guru will check the autenticity of the report.


My long messaging are due frustration as ltc casino disappeared for a long time after saying that they wouldn't pay me and after seeing the video of ltc casino ceo I lost it.


As I said I have not issues on my sides as I did not cheat, if they game had a malfunction and is proven I'll have to accept that, but I truly hope if there is not vulnerabilities proven the casino will pay in full.


Apologies for writing long messages but I'm deeply truly stressed and I just wish this matter will end soon.


Thanks again for your patience and help.

Best regards.


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Hi Matej,

can you please let me know what is going to happen in 2 days tiime as Ltc casino has almost 2 days left and they haven't given any sign yet.


will this will the last extensions of time?

It is almost 3 months now that I have have won and my account has been blocked.


Will casino guru extend time again or they are expected to give evidence after the 3 months of investigation?


Thanks you.


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Hello millyboo.


We will extend the timer one more time. (legal timeframe)


I am sorry for your troubles, but I believe that the SoftSwiss report will bring light to this case.


Dear LTC casino, Is there any update regarding the SoftSwiss report. Please keep in mind that there should be a reasonable timeframe for such a report, and we are expecting the results soon.

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Hi Mattej,

their T&C literally ends the 26th of May.

I feel unfair that ltc casino has been given another 10 extra days when their t&c state 3 months time to investigate and this is in 3 days.

Are we sure Software is even investigating ? Is there any chance that casino guru can contact Softswiss to see if they really are involvef?

Ltc casino has been lying before and i personally have zero trust and the fact that they still didn't provide evidence after been giving extension time just reaffirms my suspicions.

Last time ltc casino disappeared saying they weren't going to pay me simply because they belived i cheated and wadzan games had vulnerabilities. This was over a month ago!!!

Then they come back with the Softwiss story, i waited. I think is time for ltc casino to put the cards on the table. Another 9 days extra time makes no sense as I have won the 26th of February and their T&c states 3 months investigation. Plenty of time to provide evidence ,obviously nothing has been presented as per usual.

i m now sure after the extra 10 days casino guru will give ltc casino extra time over and over.

3 months has past and other players will be in my situation trusting casino guru reviews and is not fair because ltc casino had plenty of time to prove is not a dishonest casino.

I'm extremely upset that after 3 months casino guru has given them extra 10 days.

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Good morning Mattej,

have you heard anything from ltc casino yet?

They seem to have gone silent again.

They 3 months t&c have expired and yet they don't even bother to reply.

I saw the other complaint was closed unresolved and I wonder if their action exploting vulnerable players will effect their score too as the story of the other guy is similar to mine with the only difference that I actually won at the end. Winning at ltc casino makes not difference anyways as one so far they just found excuses and keep people winnings.


Is there any chance to contact softswiss and have them comfirm that theybare actually involved with this casino?


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Hi Mattej, please have a look what Ltc casino ceo said in the gambling community forum today.


They never had intentions to pay, he said they won't pay me.


Have a look at what he said, nothing new tough except the fact that he publicly said he won't pay a cent.


https://thegamblingcommunity.com/forum/index.php?/topic/7822-ltc-casino-scam-ttrs-casinos-stealing-funds/&do=findComment&comment=284668


Hopefully this time the time extended will end as every forum is not believing this people. I hope casino guru will give them an ultimatum as its clear who's the scammer here.

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Hello millyboo.


We had an internal meeting about your complaint and consulted the situation with the casino representatives too.


The situation is unpleasant because SoftSwiss started to work on this case when the legal time frame for such an investigation was almost depleted. Because of that, till now, we don't have any evidence from the casino side.


However, the casino presented a similar case and explained why they insisted on this SoftSwiss investigation. (the game provider didn't admit the software bug in the investigation and only later admitted it when the casino paid the money) So we understand their position too.


We decided to close this complaint as unresolved with penalization for the casino. The classification of the complaint, however, will be "uncertain case" (which is lower than in the case of "justified case", and the casino has two months to present the SoftSwiss report. When this period will over, and the casino will not present any evidence, we reclassify the complaint as a justified complaint with full penalization.


Also, because the case will be closed, millyboo can open PAB (CM) or contact any other mediator website which can independently investigate the case. (and if they will contact us we provide our opinion, math and what we found)


I summarize here what we can confirm:

We didn't find anything wrong in the game log. (unusual behaviour)

We calculated that the chance of winning three jackpots from 13000 spins (with a probability of 1:166000) is 1:13738 (the real chance that this happened naturally)

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2 years ago

I hope millyboo this decision satisfies you (at least for now), but I still hope that the report from SoftSwiss proves what happened. And if the report confirms that everything was ok, the casino will pay you.

If you want to add something to this case, please do so before I close the complaint.

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2 years ago

Hi Mattejj,


to be honest the owner of ltc casino publicly admitted that they wont pay a cent to me.


Their t&c conditions to investigate was 3 minths. it expireed yesterday.

The reason why i wanted the case to be solve asap was eaxcly because i couldn't open a pab in CM.


I would like the case to be close as unresolved. I did not cheat and I feel the casino beaide lying constantly they didn't even make qn effort to prove q

any evidence.


Since ltc casino don't even bothers to send updates i believe players shoudl be warned.


They exploit vulnerable players and u have another case unresolved which did not effect their score and i believe this predatory ways be a big allarm bell and speak volume about integrity .


Since thiet 3 months have expired unless ltc casino pays which I'm pretty sure they won't i would like to have the complaint close as unresolved and see their score drop as at least other players will be warned.


Few forums have been totally supportive on my case as the casino have lied and failed to show proves.


Have you comfirmed with Softwiss if their team are actually investigating? To be Frank I even doubt this is even true.


Is there any chance you could confirm it with them and not ltc casino ,which have been proven to lie over and over again.


IF softwiss was for real investigating ltc casino shoudl refund my deposits now and then once the investigation has ended if there was not malfunction or vulnerability which has nothing to do with me they can pay the rest.


I think is fair as you and wadzan provider found no foul play on my gameplay which makes it unfair on not being paid as vulnerability and bugs are not my fault.


Also I would like to highlight that the ceo of ltc casino has share my game play with my emails in full display. Who does that?? that should be illegal as under GDPR protection my details shouldn't have been share publicly.


Please tell me that you found this unethical and immoral .This is actually illegal under GDPR .


I'll be happy to keep the case close with uncertain case only if they pay my deposit to start with and they delete the expose of my personal data in the gambling community forum.


Also they have shared publicly my gameplay and I would like if u could check if is the same they sent you when u have checked.


Thanks for your time and help again.


Best regards.


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2 years ago

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https://thegamblingcommunity.com/forum/index.php?/topic/7822-ltc-casino-scam-ttrs-casinos-stealing-funds/&do=findComment&comment=284668


ltc casino stated he won't pay a cent.

What are we waiting for? To scam other people?

At this point unless they are willing to pay my deposits back first as my gameplay was checked by 2 different third party and had not cheating on it.

it is confirmed.

If is true that softwiss are investigating then once the investigation is terminated they can pay the rest accordingly.


Ltc casino beside lying and defaming without evidence hasn't prove anything.

Their ceo is lying in other forums and he expect me to stay silent?

He says I used remote control and I honestly don't even know what it is ,I have used a vpn. Never denied it and the promote the use themselves as opening multiple accounts. I begged them to close my account when I couldn't stop playing they didn't care.

they said I dud ddos attacks!!! Andrey TTR was publicly accused of found such an action to a gambling forum because they refuse to write an high

score review about their site.

he accuses people of what he actually done to people.


it is fair for me to recieve my deposit s first and the rest once the investigation ends. my total deposits of over 15k


If they are honest and genuine this is a good deal.

I would love for casino bonus to be unbiased and considet real evidence and not defamatory accusations because the facts are clear. i did not cheat.

If there was malfunction or vulnerabilities this is the casino and provider problem. Legally they had 3 minths to investigate.


if they refuse that you should close the investigation as unresolved and under scam.


I have waited enough and is mentally draining to ne abused publicly by their ceo and constantly need to defend myself when they stolen my money.


Could you please if we can reach this agreement?

i need to open a pab in CM so the earliest i know the outcome the better. i think i have waited long enough and I recieved the same outcome as 3 months ago .


I would love to believe casino guru will act unbiased and fairly.


Thanks again for your time.


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2 years ago

Hello millyboo.


We are closing this complaint as unresolved. However, the investigation from our side continues.


(we are cross-checking everything in this case and still waiting for the SoftSwiss report)


I understand your frustration, and I am very sorry that this case is taking so long. We are trying to do everything to help you, but please know that this case is very complex and, in many aspects, beyond our options.

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2 years ago

We’ve reopened this complaint as per the casino's request. We would like to give this case one more chance to get resolved and help both involved parties to reach to a satisfactory conclusion.

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2 years ago

Dear Player and Forum Community,


We apologize for the delay, but the situation is unprecedented and took considerable time to resolve.


To sum up, here are the key findings of our investigation:


1. We consider the player's in-game behavior to be highly suspicious. The arguments have already been given above: playing only one slot, winning several jackpots in a row, and so on.


2. We believe that the winnings were not possible without a vulnerability in Wazdan's software.


3. We consider the player to be prone to fraud since they blackmailed us, threatening to file a complaint with the UK public authorities and demanding the lost deposits back. The player regularly blackmails various casinos in a similar way, as evidenced by their activity on the LCB forum.


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Our white-label operator SoftSwiss, hosting over 200 respected casino brands, unequivocally classifies this win as a fraud. Unfortunately, Wazdan has refused to cooperate with our investigation by leaving most of the questions unanswered. We see their conduct as highly unprofessional, while the only reasonable explanation for it is an attempt to escape liability.


Still, we have to accept responsibility for hosting Wazdan games in our casino. As an honest and liable casino, we have made the following decision:


Despite our belief that we are dealing with a highly irregular situation, we are unfreezing the player's account since a three-month investigation failed to provide strict evidence of fraud.


As of now, the player's account is active and all the funds are withdrawable.

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2 years ago

Thank you very much for the update. We appreciate your decision.

Millyboo, could you please confirm that your account is accessible and you can withdraw your winnings?

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2 years ago

Hi everyone.

First I would like to comfirm that I can access to my account.

Thank you.

I have made a deposit of 15ltc the transaction is still pending.

I was wondering if Ltc casino could let me withdraw the whole amount as I have mentioned previously I have a gambling problem and I do not want to risk to lose my money playing.

Also I have waited 3 months and would be kind if they can't let me withdraw the full amount if they could at leads let me withdraw at least 3 minths worth of daily max withdraw .


in ideal world i would like to make one withdraw and close my account and close the matter.


I very greatful to casino guru for your kind help and also for Ltc casino decision to decide to pay my winnings.


If ltc casino could let me withdraw my winnings all at once considering the situation I went through would be mostly appreciated as we can both move on.


Thanks again .


Best regards.

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2 years ago

If you can't pay in full at least if I could make a withdraw for the total days that my account was closed due investigation . meaning the ammount I would have been able to withdraw everyday if my account wouldn't have been blocked.

And then if u really can't pay me the full amount I will make the rest of the withdrawns daily.


I will consider the complaint fully closed once all.the money is paid in full and of course I'll change my review to a positive one once the matter is fully closed.


I m very greatful for your decision and I want to thank you again.

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2 years ago

Hello millyboo.

Please let me know if your withdrawal was successful.

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2 years ago

Hi Mattej, I can only make 15ltc daily withdraws.

so far managed to make withdrawals daily, its a long way to go before I'll take it all. I have requested if I could take the whole amount out and close my account under self-exclusion but looks like is not possible.


Hopefully i will be able to withdraw all the money in how many months is needed. It's a dangerous situation to be due my gambling problems,but guess I have not choice.


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2 years ago

Thanks for the update.

As far as I know, the LTC casino doesn't have any responsible gambling tools.

Let me know in case of any trouble.

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2 years ago

Will do. Thank you.

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2 years ago

Dear millyboo,

We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to comment on your complaint in the given time frame, we will reject your complaint.

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2 years ago

Hi Matej, apologies for delay but i have been spending all my time with my mum and been out of touch with the real world.

So far i have been able to make 75 ltc withdrawals weekly. 15ltc per day.

Its 300 ltc a month limit.

So far is all going smoothly and I haven't played once.


Thanks again and please accept my apologies for late reply but it has been a roller coaster of emotions as I need to adapt to my new mum , a strong woman who i love above everything who right now can't speak and move.


This money will be so very helpful as she need so much care and rehabilitation.

Best regards.


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2 years ago

No problem millyboo.


Enjoy your time with your mum. I hope she will be well soon. I am glad that everything is going smoothly for you with the casino. I mark your complaint as resolved in our system (so you don't need to pay attention to it anymore), and in case of any trouble, you can reopen the complaint anytime.


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