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18 Aug 2023
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Resolved : 28 Aug 2023
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1 year ago
A player from Brazil won 577 BRL and then 700 BRL in Ice Casino, but their account was blocked before they could withdraw their winnings. The casino claims the player has two accounts, one from 2021, with no personal information or completed verifications.
A player from Brazil won 577 BRL and then 700 BRL in Ice Casino, but their account was blocked before they could withdraw their winnings. The casino claims the player has two accounts, one from 2021, with no personal information or completed verifications.
Dear fellow gamblers, I managed to win 577 BRL at Ice Casino, and it's been 10 days now - I'm still waiting for this payout that never arrives. Subsequently, I had another win of 700 BRL, but my account was blocked. They claimed that I have two open accounts, one of which was created in 2021. Supposedly, if I want to unblock it, I'd need to sacrifice all of my remaining balance. It would appear they're playing some sort of cruel joke or prank. This alleged "second account" they claim I have doesn't contain any of my personal information, as you can see in the attached, the personal information fields are blank. The email verification has not been done, nor has the KYC verification. If they simply deleted this "second account", this situation would be resolved, but I suspect they'd rather not, considering the other account has money in it.
Your Ice Casino is just a pile of rubbish. The issue is that you all seem to think you're untouchable. There are so many casinos on the market today. The Brazilian support provided by your service is equally terrible. I have no interest or desire to gamble at your casino. You are not a credible nor an honest company. Who has ever heard of having to lose all their balance just to unblock an account? Beware of this casino fellow gamblers. As long as you're losing money, they adore you, but once you start winning, they despise you. The wheels will turn, Ice, and each of you who works for this company will also face serious payment issues. You'll be crying blood—remember that.
Caro apostadores, tive um ganho de 577 BRL no Casino Ice, e hoje tem 10 dias esperando esse saque que nunca cai. Depois tive outro ganho de 700 BRL, porém a minha conta foi bloqueada, dizendo eles que eu tenho duas contas abertas, a conta tinha sido criada em 2021. Caso eu queira desbloquear eu teria que perder todo o mal saldo. Isso só pode ser algum tipo de piada ou pegadinha. A segunda "conta" que eles dizem que eu tenho, não tem nenhum dado pessoal meu, como vocês podem ver em anexo, a parte dos dados pessoais estão em branco, a verificação do e-mail não foi efetuada, e muito menos a verificação KYC. Era só vocês excluir essa "segunda conta" mais lógico que eles vão preferir a outra, se tem dinheiro na outra.
Grandes lixo é a porcaria do seu Casino Ice. O problema é que vocês se acham demais. Tem tantos Casino no mercado hoje. O atendimento no suporte brasileiro é outro lixo. Quem não faz questão de jogar e apostar nesse casino sou eu. Vocês não são uma empresa séria e muito menos honesta. Onde já se viu para desbloquear a conta da pessoa tem que roubar todo seu saldo? Fujam desse casino apostadores. Enquanto você perde dinheiro eles te amam, mas quando você começa a ganhar eles te odeiam. A lei do retorno será grande Ice, e todos vocês que trabalham para essa empresa, também passará por problemas sérios no pagamento, chorarão lágrimas de sangue, lembre-se disso.
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with IceCasino. Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can better understand the situation.
Do I understand correctly you DIDN'T previously open an account in the casino under a different email address?
Is there any chance that someone from your household or using the same IP address has also created an account at this casino? Could you please advise if you have passed the KYC verification?
Have you accumulated your winnings with or without an active bonus?
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Tomas
Dear planetatechnos,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with IceCasino. Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can better understand the situation.
Do I understand correctly you DIDN'T previously open an account in the casino under a different email address?
Is there any chance that someone from your household or using the same IP address has also created an account at this casino? Could you please advise if you have passed the KYC verification?
Have you accumulated your winnings with or without an active bonus?
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Dear Thomas, I am flattered and honored by your dedication to help. Yes, here at my house, my wife also played on this platform, but she doesn't use it anymore. And our emails are shared. I have a verified account and KYC at p*****s@gmail.com which I always played with and also withdrew some withdrawals on Ice and usually they paid in 2 business days. After I won this 577.00 for a deposit of 37.00BRL, the money stagnated and did not come out of this processing. Then I deposited another amount, I don't remember the exact amount very well, but I think it was 50.00 BRL and I won that 700.00 BRL. And after that my account was blocked for this duplicity charge. They could very well see that the account has no financial transactions and they won't even check email let alone KYC. They prefer to opt and make it difficult for the gambler to access all possible to consume all their balance money. The opportunists. I sent emails to Complaints and got a response, but nobody cares about you. What they want all the time is to suck even our soul. I do not recommend this bookmaker to anyone and I don't even know why her score here is 10, it was supposed to be ZERO, if in the company Reclame Aqui in Brazil her reputation is 6 and regular, and the complaints are exorbitant!
Att. LEANDRO.
Querido Thomas fico lisonjeado e honrado pela sua dedicação em ajudar. Sim aqui na minha casa minha esposa também jogava nessa plataforma, mas não usa mais. E nossos e-mails são compartilhados. Eu tenho conta verificada e KYC no email p*****s@gmail.com no qual eu sempre jogava e também já retirei alguns saques no Ice e geralmente eles pagavam em 2 dias úteis. Depois que ganhei esse 577,00 por um depósito de 37,00BRL, o dinheiro estagnou e não saiu desse processamento. Depois depositei outro valor não me recordo muito bem o valor exato, mais acho que foi 50,00 BRL e ganhei esses 700,00 BRL. E depois disso a minha conta foi bloqueada por essa acusação de duplicidade. Eles poderiam ver muito bem que a conta não tem movimentação financeira nenhuma e nem verificarão de email e muito menos KYC. Preferem optar e dificultar todo o acesso possível do apostador para consumir todo o seu dinheiro do saldo. Os oportunistas. Passei e-mails para Complaints fui respondido, porém ninguém tá nem aí pra você. O quê eles querem o tempo todo é sugar até a nossa alma. Eu não indico a ninguém essa casa de aposta e nem sei porquê a pontuação dela aqui está 10, era pra ser ZERO, se na empresa Reclame Aqui no Brasil a reputação dela é 6 e regular, e as queixas são exorbitantes!
We can firmly confirm that the player has two accounts, both have the gaming history, both used bonuses, both have approximately the same personal information and the same Android device was used.
Kind regards
Hello all,
We can firmly confirm that the player has two accounts, both have the gaming history, both used bonuses, both have approximately the same personal information and the same Android device was used.
Since you can verify these two accounts then why did you let me go through the KYC verification test and your system didn't reject this new account which I invested a lot of money in, and also made some withdrawals? As far as I know, every bookmaker does not allow the person to create two accounts in the same CPF, the system itself refuses the registration. As I myself sent the print, there is no data in the register with my name. You are rascals, and you are making it difficult and invented this story so as not to pay me. As I said earlier, pay what you owe me and you can permanently delete all my data. I don't care about depositing my money in this casino rubbish again. I put a complaint on the site like this one in Brazil, they responded to everyone but me. This has become something personal. They said that I would deposit my 577.00 on August 15th, and until today that money has not arrived. The consumer is always harmed by these bookmakers. No one for these people?
Liars and tricksters! Pay me and the conversation is over and I won't go to the Federal Public Ministry, period!
Já que vocês podem confirmar essas duas contas então porque vocês deixaram eu passar pelo teste de verificação KYC e o sistema de vocês não recusaram essa nova conta na qual eu investir muito dinheiro, e também efetuei alguns saques? Por quê que eu saiba toda casa de aposta não permite a pessoa criar duas contas no mesmo CPF, o próprio sistema recusa o cadastro. Como eu mesmo enviei o print não tem dados nenhum no cadastro com meu nome. Vocês são malandros, e estão dificultando e inventado essa história para não me pagar. Como eu mesmo disse anteriormente, paguem o quê me devem, e pode excluir permanentemente todos os meus dados. Não faço questão nenhuma de voltar a depositar meu dinheiro nesse lixo de Casino. Eu coloquei uma queixa no site tipo esse aqui no Brasil, eles responderam a todos menos a eu. Isso já virou algo pessoal. Disseram que iria depositar meus 577,00 dia 15 de agosto, e até a data de hoje esse dinheiro não entrou. O consumidor sempre que sai prejudicado nessas casas de apostas. Ninguém para esse povo não?
Mentirosos e malandros! Me paguem e a conversa fica encerrada e não procurarei o Ministério Público Federal, ponto final!
Thomas, I had to fulfill 13 thousand reais of rollover, for a deposit of 25 BRL. Do you know how tiring and exhausting it is to fulfill these rollovers? I lost a night of sleep, I played for almost 2 days to achieve this very high rollover, and when it's time to pay, they invent this? Patience has limits.
Thomas, eu tive que cumprir 13 mil reais de rollover, por um depósito de 25 BRL. Sabe tão quanto é cansativo e exaustivo cumprir esses rollovers? Perdi a noite de sono, joguei quase 2 dias para conseguir cumprir esse rollover altíssimo, e na hora de pagar eles inventam isso? Paciência tem limites.
Proof of deposits made by Ice to my bank account. After all this time playing, losing and also winning, they come up with something like this so they don't pay me more. Absolute nonsense!!!
Comprovantes de depósitos feito pela Ice para minha conta bancária. Depois de todo esse tempo jogando, perdendo e também ganhando, eles inventam algo assim para não me pagar mais. Um absurdo total!!!
My dear Thomas, I couldn't even talk to you properly because my wife went out and left the baby with me. He slept now. So let's go!
That email they talked about actually belonged to me. I no longer have access to that email. I switched devices and completely forgot the password for that email and I still can't remember it. Lucky for me I have the one we're talking about. How would I know about the creation of this account without movement? If I knew about this existence I would continue with it, why would I want two accounts? I don't have money to invest in one imagine in two 🤣🤣🤣. Ice casino completely humiliated me in every way. I was simply disgusted by this embarrassing situation. How can they be so bad? We waste a lot of time on these sites, sleepless nights and nights, and when do we lose? Head hurts for days. The only thing I really want is my loot as I need to buy diapers and milk. Thank you so much for your glorious time with me. I'll be here praying for everything to work out for both parties. In the end, we are all deserving of victory. A big hug. 🙏🏻
Meu querido Thomas, eu nem pude falar direito com você, porquê minha esposa saiu e deixou o bebê comigo. Ele dormiu agora. Então vamos lá!
Esse e-mail que eles falaram realmente me pertencia. Eu não tenho mais acesso a esse e-mail. Troquei de aparelho e esqueci completamente a senha desse email e até hoje não consigo me lembrar. Para a minha sorte eu tenho esse no qual estamos nos falando. Como eu iria saber da criação dessa conta sem movimentação? Se eu soubesse dessa existência eu continuava com ela, pra quê eu vou querer duas contas? Não tô tendo dinheiro para investir em uma imagina em duas 🤣🤣🤣. A Ice casino me humilhou completamente em todos os aspectos. Eu simplesmente fiquei enojado com essa situação constrangedora. Como pode serem tão maus assim? Perdermos muito tempo nesses sites, noites e noites mal dormidas, e quando perdemos? A cabeça fica doendo por dias. A única coisa que eu realmente quero é o meu saque, pois preciso comprar fraldas e leite. Muito obrigado pelo seu glorioso tempo comigo. Estarei aqui orando para quê tudo dê certo para ambas as partes. A final somos todos merecedores da Vitória. Um grande abraço. 🙏🏻
As you can see right below this print, the text in red says Unanswered, referring to the complaint I made on the Reclame Aqui website. They responded to all but my complaint. Even people who made the complaint well after mine were answered. I'm being treated like a criminal by Ice, does that mean winning has now become some kind of crime? That's what it looks like. And next to it is the photo of my bank account, since they think I'm a millionaire.🤡
Como você mesmo pode ver logo abaixo nesse print, no texto em vermelho, está escrito Não Respondida, referente a reclamação que eu fiz no site Reclame Aqui. Eles responderam a todos, menos a minha reclamação. Até pessoas que fizeram a reclamação bem depois da minha foram respondidas. Estou sendo tratado como um criminoso pela Ice, quer dizer que ganhar agora virou algum tipo de crime? É o quê está parecendo. E ao lado está a foto da minha conta bancária, já que eles acham que estou milionário.🤡
Hello dear Thomas good morning. ESPERTA ICE CASINO from Brazil just answered my complaint here in Brazil. Unfortunately we did not reach any agreement, they continue with the same arguments against me. I will say something to you about ICE CASINO, here in Brazil the laws of Brazilian consumers are very different from what you are used to and this is called blackmail, bribery and extortion Article 158 and Article 71.
Art. 158 - Embarrassing someone, by means of violence or serious threat, and with the intention of obtaining an undue economic advantage for himself or someone else, to do, tolerate the doing or not doing something: Penalty - imprisonment, from four to ten years, and fine.
Art. 71. Use, in the collection of debts, threats, coercion, physical or moral constraint, incorrect or misleading false statements or any other procedure that exposes the consumer, unjustifiably, to ridicule or interferes with his work, rest or leisure:
Penalty Detention from three months to one year and a fine.
The laws here in my country work, and here we have justice, and consumer justice is the best of all. And if you don't pay me all my earnings, I will, yes, sue the Federal Public Prosecutor's Office as promised and I will win! Because I had to carry out a tiresome and exhausting rollover of R$13,000 for almost two days.
Olá querido Thomas bom dia. A ESPERTA ICE CASINO daqui do Brasil, acabou de me responder na reclamação que eu fiz aqui no Brasil. Infelizmente não chegamos a nenhum acordo, eles continuam com os mesmos argumentos contra a minha pessoa. Irei dizer algo pra vocês da ICE CASINO, aqui no Brasil as leis dos consumidores brasileiros, são bem diferentes do quê vocês estão acostumados e isso chama-se chantagem, suborno e extorsão artigo 158 e artigo 71.
Art. 158 - Constranger alguém, mediante violência ou grave ameaça, e com o intuito de obter para si ou para outrem indevida vantagem econômica, a fazer, tolerar que se faça ou deixar de fazer alguma coisa: Pena - reclusão, de quatro a dez anos, e multa.
Art. 71. Utilizar, na cobrança de dívidas, de ameaça, coação, constrangimento físico ou moral, afirmações falsas incorretas ou enganosas ou de qualquer outro procedimento que exponha o consumidor, injustificadamente, a ridículo ou interfira com seu trabalho, descanso ou lazer:
Pena Detenção de três meses a um ano e multa.
As leis aqui no meu país funciona, e aqui temos justiça sim, e a justiça do consumidor é a melhor de todas. E se vocês não me pagarem, todo o meu ganho, irei sim, acionar o Ministério Público Federal como prometido e irei ganhar! Porque eu tive que cumprir um rollover de 13 mil reais cansativo e exaustivo e durante quase dois dias.
As you can see in this email, Ice herself states that my money would be on its way and with 5 business days I would receive it. How can they change so drastically🤔? Two-faced are you?
In the other email they claim to be a serious company, it would be comical if it weren't tragic.
We are the gamblers who keep these bookmakers up.
We are gamblers, who often hit the BIG WIN and have our prizes confiscated, with exorbitant demands and meticulous rules disguised as real hyenas.
We are gamblers, who built a bookmaker and also have the strength and unity to bring them down.
And thank you so much for the glorious time and support of this wonderful network, and all you bettors good luck and great winnings, you can always count on my support.🏆💪🫡
Como podem ver nesse e-mail a própria Ice afirma que meu dinheiro estaria a caminho e com 5 dias úteis eu receberia. Como podem mudar drasticamente assim🤔? Duas faces é você?
No outro e-mail eles afirmam ser uma empresa séria, seria cômico se não fosse trágico.
Somos nós apostadores, que mantemos essas casas de aposta em pé.
Somos nós apostadores, que muitos vezes acertamos o BIG WIN e temos nossos prêmios confiscados, com exigências exorbitantes e regrinhas minuciosas disfarçadas de verdadeiras hienas.
Somos nós apostadores, que levantamos uma casa de aposta e também temos a força e a união para derrubá-las.
E muito obrigado pelo glorioso tempo e apoio dessa rede maravilhosa, e todos vocês apostadores uma boa sorte e ótimos ganhos, podem contar sempre com meu apoio.🏆💪🫡
While it is normal for a casino to have a rule stating one account per household/IP address/player, we feel each case should be considered separately. If the player has multiple accounts and has used them to repeatedly gain bonuses they should only receive once, this is obviously a clear breach of the terms and an unfair advantage.
However, if there is no clear advantage gained by the player and it is conceivable that an honest mistake has been made (for example, the player forgot they registered a long time ago and registered again), we do not think a player should have their winnings confiscated.
According to the casino representative you claimed bonuses on your current as well as your previous accounts. Could you please explain when did you open the previous account in the casino? Have you accessed both accounts from the same device? (mobile phone or a personal computer)
I'll await your reply.
Thanks to both parties for your responses.
Dear planetatechnos,
While it is normal for a casino to have a rule stating one account per household/IP address/player, we feel each case should be considered separately. If the player has multiple accounts and has used them to repeatedly gain bonuses they should only receive once, this is obviously a clear breach of the terms and an unfair advantage.
However, if there is no clear advantage gained by the player and it is conceivable that an honest mistake has been made (for example, the player forgot they registered a long time ago and registered again), we do not think a player should have their winnings confiscated.
According to the casino representative you claimed bonuses on your current as well as your previous accounts. Could you please explain when did you open the previous account in the casino? Have you accessed both accounts from the same device? (mobile phone or a personal computer)
Dear Thomas, good morning, I would never remember opening an account with Ice in 2022. Let's see: if I had known that I had this other account open, I would have used it myself, without any problems, in the end I opened the account to bet, and no take advantage of bonuses, and I've already lost a lot of money at this casino. They always sent daily bonuses to the account I used. And I actually changed devices in February 2023. I found out here in my bank history that a pix was made worth R$ 20 BRL. The only financial transaction invested in this account was a measly R$ 20 BRL. In the other account I put money practically every day, big money. But you know what I really think? It's just that they're taking advantage because I started earning and I'm not giving them any more PROFITS. And another thing, the second account didn't have email verification, it didn't have personal data filled in as I sent you in the attachment, it didn't have KYC verification. Why didn't they just give the customer the option to choose which account they prefer to use? Why did they immediately block the account in which I had invested all the money and had pending withdrawals, instead of blocking the other one that had not been moved for a long time? What they want is extremely advantageous just for them, they want me to clear my balance of BRL 1,277.00 and use their platform again after all the embarrassment and annoyance they caused me. How am I going to trust depositing some more money in this Casino again? Tell me you're an intelligent person, and if it were you, what would you do?
Caro Thomas bom dia, eu jamais me recordaria dessa abertura de conta na Ice em 2022. Vejamos: se eu soubesse que tinha essa outra conta aberta, eu mesmo a utilizaria, sem problemas nemhum, a final eu abrir a conta para apostar, e não obter vantagens em bônus, e já perdi muito dinheiro nesse casino. Eles sempre enviava bônus diariamente para a conta na qual eu utilizava. E realmente eu troquei de aparelho em fevereiro de 2023. Eu descobrir aqui no meu histórico bancário que foi efetuado um pix no valor de R$ 20 BRL. A única movimentação financeira investida nessa conta, foi míseros R$ 20 BRL. Na outra conta eu colocava praticamente dinheiro todos os dias, dinheiro alto. Mas sabe o quê eu acho de verdade mesmo? É que eles estão se aproveitando porquê eu comecei a ganhar e não estou dando mais LUCROS pra eles. E outra coisa, a segunda conta não tinha verificação do e-mail, não tinha dados pessoais preenchidos como te passei em anexo, não tinha verificação KYC. Por que eles simplesmente não deram a opção do cliente escolher em qual conta prefere utilizar? Por que eles foram logo bloqueando a conta na qual eu tinha investido todo dinheiro e estava com saques pendentes, ao invés de bloquear a outra que não tinha movimentações a bastante tempo? O quê eles querem é extremamente vantajoso só pra eles, querem que eu zere meu saldo de R$ 1.277,00 e volte a utilizar a plataforma deles depois de todo o constrangimento e aborrecimento que eles me causaram. Como que eu vou voltar a confiar em depositar mais algum dinheiro nesse Casino? Me diga você que é uma pessoa inteligente, e se fosse com você, o que faria?
Dear Ice, here is the receipt for the deposit made on 11/17/2022. It took a little work for me to discover this deposit, but the truth is always liberating. At no point did I want to take ownership of your company's bonus, the account was created really I didn't really remember because it's been a long time. I just think the company itself could do something to avoid duplication. The days are going by so fast, many of us can't even remember what we had for breakfast the day before, right? Look at my history of deposits made in the account in which I made all the verification and high investments, and then draw your conclusion, do you think I would run the risk of losing my account in which I practically played every day, because a measly BRL 20 BRL, deposited only once? And let this serve as a warning to other bettors.
You can block all my access to your platform, the only thing I want is my withdrawal, because I fulfilled the high rollover, I lost a night of sleep, and I won honestly, and you can also deduct that deposit of R$ 20 BRL. And I guarantee that I will withdraw the complaint I filed against the company. I hope we reach some agreement, thank you and have a good day everyone.
John 8:32
And they will know the truth, and the truth will set them free."
Caro Ice, segue o comprovante do depósito efetuado no dia 17/11/2022. Deu um pouco de trabalho para eu descobrir esse depósito, mas a verdade é sempre libertadora. Em nenhum momento eu quis me apropriar de bônus da sua empresa, a conta foi criada realmente não me lembrava de verdade, porque tem muito tempo. Só acho que a própria empresa poderia fazer algo para evitar duplicidade. Os dias estão passando muito rápido, muitos de nós nem consegue lembra-se o quê comeu no café da manhã do dia anterior não é mesmo? Olhem o meu histórico de depósitos efetuados na conta na qual eu fiz toda verificação e investimentos altos, e depois tire a conclusão de vocês, acha que eu iria correr o risco de perder a minha conta na qual eu praticamente jogava todos os dias, por causa de míseros R$ 20 BRL, depositado uma única vez? E que isso sirva de alerta para outros apostadores.
Vocês podem bloquear todo meu acesso a plataforma de vocês, a única coisa que eu quero é o meu saque, pois eu cumprir o rollover alto, perdi noite de sono, e ganhei de forma honestamente, e também pode descontar esse depósito de R$ 20 BRL. E garanto que retirarei a queixa que eu fiz contra a empresa. Espero que chegamos á algum acordo, obrigado e um bom dia para todos.
As promised, I've done my part and deactivated and deleted my complaint. Below is a print of the document. I hope you can also fulfill your part. Peace, respect are always the best choices.
Como prometido, eu já fiz a minha parte e desativei e excluir a minha queixa. Segue print do documento. Espero que vocês também possa cumprir com a parte de vocês. A paz, o respeito sempre são as melhores escolhas.
Dear Casino Guro, as a form of recognition and gratitude, I would like to thank you Thomas for your intelligence, humility, kindness and sympathy in helping others, may God bless you brother. This platform is amazing! This platform has to become public property 😌. My account was unlocked with an available balance of BRL 142.31.
You guys are too much Guru!
And I would also like to thank the company Ice Casino, which proved to be a serious and responsible company, and managed to get around the whole situation in a friendly and helpful way 🤝.
Thank you all!
Prezado Casino Guro como forma de reconhecimento e gratidão, gostaria de agradecer a você Thomas pela sua inteligência, humildade, gentileza e simpatia em ajudar ao próximo, que Deus te abençoe irmão. Essa plataforma é incrível! Essa plataforma tem que virar um patrimônio público 😌. A minha conta foi desbloqueada com um saldo de R$ 142,31 disponível.
Vocês são demais Guru!🥳
E também gostaria de agradecer a empresa Ice Casino que se mostrou uma empresa séria e responsável, e conseguiu contornar toda a situação de forma amigável e prestativa 🤝.