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BitDice Casino - Player's winnings have been voided.

Amount: Ł100

BitDice Casino
Safety Index:Very low
Submitted: 12 Mar 2022 | Resolved : 09 May 2022
Resolved Our verdict

Case closed

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Case summary

2 years ago

The player from Italy had his winnings cancelled due to country restriction. Decision seemed to be made by the game provider that doesn’t offer its services in Italy. After gathering all the necessary information and an extensive discussion with the casino and the player, we have decided to support the player in this case. The casino decided to agree with our decision and the complaint is resolved.

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2 years ago

È da una settimana che ho vinto 100 LTC al monopoly di Evolution Gaming. Da quel momento Bitdice ha bloccato i miei prelievi, chiedendomi il KYC. Dopo avere mandato più volte i documenti, me li hanno accettati mandando però questo assurdo messaggio.

Resto in attesa di aiuto per ricevere tutta la mia vincita


Dear ,

Please kindly note that your account was successfully verified.

Also we confirmed your citizenship and residenship of Italy.

Unfortunately some of our game providers prohibit usage of games and in cases of big winnings submit a request for verification like it was in your case. As a major winning took place in games of Evolution provider which is prohibited in Italy as per restriction list: https://www.bitdice.me/p_t.pdf

Due to this fact game provider demanded withdrawal of the winnings. Nevertheless we took a decision to compensate the initial balance of your account which was reached by 2 last deposits for the total amount of 5,257 LTC.

We are sorry for the inconveniences, the amount will be credited to your account within 24 hours from now.

Regards,

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2 years ago

Dear Davide,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. I have checked the terms and conditions, and yes, I have found the restriction for the Evolution game provider:


"Evolution Gaming - Burma (Myanmar), China, Cuba, Curacao, Cyprus, Iran, Israel, Italy, Latvia, Turkey, Russian Federation, Sudan, Syria,United States of America, Australia, North Korea, Iran, Taiwan, South Africa, Canada, (British Columbia, Manitoba and Quebec Provinces)."

 

Could you please forward the original email sent to you by the casino to petronela.k@casino.guru?

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,

Petronela

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2 years ago
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They don't care about the T & Cs if they are the first to disregard them.

Many providers are blocked from their site and gambling is not allowed.

But on Evolution you log in normally and you can lose as much as you want.

I had also made some previous winnings, withdrawing everything quietly.

You can play, you can lose as much as you want and win a little, but if you win a lot you can't cash out because playing is not allowed? This is nonsense.


And why on earth do they only say that after verifying my account? If my papers weren't regular, they wouldn't have come up with this excuse.

I also had another $ 1200 which I played without too much trouble knowing I was waiting for a $ 10,000 withdrawal.

This is all outrageous and sad, I really liked this casino so much


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Sensitive information

This post has been made private by Casino Guru. It contains sensitive information meant to be seen only by the involved parties.

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2 years ago
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They violated the terms and conditions themselves, allowing me to play.

Sounds like a joke.

Then, in your opinion, Evolution would require them to be withdrawn? But in what sense !? It soon becomes clear that they want to cheat me.

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2 years ago
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Please help me

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2 years ago
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I am still waiting for your kind reply.

I add that the casino has not answered me anymore and among other things, they have not even credited LTC 5,257 on my account, as stated by them, and more than 24 hours have passed.

For me it's better that way, if they want to see me again in their casino, they will have to pay my winnings in full, on my wallet, because this is an inconvenience caused by them. In fact, if CasinoGuru fails to help me, I will sue Bitdice in every online gaming platform and forum.

Thank you


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2 years ago

Thank you, Davide, for the clarification. Could you please forward your game history to petronela.k@casino.guru? If I understand correctly you were able in the past to lose money by playing Evolution games and I'd like to have solid proof to support our case.

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2 years ago
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Dear Petronela,

on their site they do not provide past game history.

It doesn't matter, I emailed you all of my winnings withdrawals from Evolution Gaming's Monopoly and BitDice's BitAce. In addition, I recorded a video, after depositing about $ 5 in LTC, demonstrating how you can play, lose and win (until they decide) at Monopoly Live and of course withdraw, until you win a large sum and you they block the account, for the KYC.

If the KYC is successful they have an excuse not to pay. Here in Italy this is scam.


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2 years ago

Thank you very much, Davide, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Martin (martin.d@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.  

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Thanks a lot to you, I hope to receive a reply as soon as possible also from your colleague Martin, good job!

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2 years ago

Hello Davide!


From now on, I will take care of your complaint. I would like to invite representatives of BitDice Casino into this complaint in order to help us with resolving the issue.

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Thank you very much Martin, I hope you have contacted the casino representatives, in order to have an answer as soon as possible.

For their part, I continue to have no more news.

Thanks for your work

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2 years ago

Hello everyone


Mike from BitDice team

David I need to take time to check this case with my colleagues. For now I can assure that Evolution games are restricted for players from Italy.

Regarding KYC, we only perform KYC procedures for amounts that are 10 000$ and higher which are stated in our T&C.


Regards

Mike

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2 years ago
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not my problem!

all the providers in which it is not allowed to play in Italy, on your site, are blocked and it is not even possible to access them, as I have shown. By the way, in all the casinos I have played in, Evolution Gaming has always been available and I have never had any problems!

Either way, you made me play, lose, win and withdraw at live Monopoly, now take your responsibility.

Incidentally in chat, Shan, your employee, told me that you are responsible for my payment and I have proof!

I'm sure Casinoguru agrees with me.

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Anyway… do you have to take your time ??? I've been waiting for my win for weeks! And it's unfortunate to see these things from a reputable casino !!

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2 years ago
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And I forgot, a fundamental thing!

First you request all my sensitive data through KYC, for my $ 10,000 win, and then tell me you won't pay me?


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2 years ago

Dear Mike and BitDice Casino,


Thank you for your answer, we will be waiting for your response. Please note, we'd like to know how it was possible for player to access the game and how it was exactly with the decision of the payment.

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2 years ago
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It would be good, Martin dear, for CasinoGuru to take a stand on this case!

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I'm losing my patience!

In chat on their site they keep making fun of me, saying everything and the opposite of everything! By e-mail they no longer respond since I opened the complaint, and here they take too much time!

I have come from years of losses and you will not be able to block my first big win unfairly! I'll do whatever it takes! If you are not interested in losing points on Casinoguru, I will open complaints on complaints everywhere and call the game license if necessary!


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2 years ago
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What's up, MIKE ???

We haven't heard from you again for another week!

You seem to be avoiding my complaint and are still taking your time.

My patience is over.

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2 years ago

Hello Davide!


Please note, that we are currently amidst a discussion with Mike outside of this complaint and once there will be any result, we will be informing you directly here in the complaint.

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How come, Martin?

I would like to solve my problem in the open, like all other complaints.

I don't understand the meaning.

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2 years ago
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Dear Team @CasinoGuru,

I'm really tired of waiting for my legitimate winnings, these things shouldn't even happen.

I don't know if for Evolution, Italy is really blocked on their site, but in any case, in all blocked providers it is not possible to access while on Evolution Gaming it is; I was allowed to lose and withdraw and, in all similar claims, the casino was indebted to the player.

Now that I am aware (if it is really true) that Evolution is blocked in Italy I will not use it anymore! But you Bitdice should block it if they don't offer their services in my country! as for all other providers where it is not allowed to play from Italy.


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2 years ago

Hi Davide


We provided everything to the CG team, please wait for the final decision.

So far, our view on the situation has not changed: Evolution games are restricted to IT players as it stated in our ToS, your winnings got voided because we perform KYC only on amounts starting from 10 000$ and higher.


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For me, you could change your terms and conditions the day after I won! The last update in a file that is not even signed and stamped and dates back to April 2021!

Why is it that in ALL the blocked providers it is not possible to play neither with money nor in the demo, while I can access ALL the EVOLUTION games ???

It is legitimate! okay if the player wins a little or loses a lot, everything is ok, but if he wins a lot you don't pay him, of course everything is regular! 😡😡😡


I invite Martin, Petronela and all the Casino Guru team to evaluate the case well and contact me for any additional information, thank you very much.

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2 years ago

Dear Davide,


Please accept my apologies for a delayed response. However, your complaint was not ignored, in fact we are still examining all the variables in this situation. We have asked BitDice Casino representatives to provide us more information necessary to make any conclusion.

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Good morning,

I would like to ask the representatives of BitDice Casino to cooperate and to send all other requested information to Martin, as soon as possible.

And as I have already shared with the CG Team via email, take a look at paragraph 5 of CasinoGuru's Fair Gambling Codex.

I look forward to further developments, thank you very much Martin.

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2 years ago

Dear Davide,


I'd like to inform you that we are still waiting for some information to be provided by the game provider. This kind of information usually takes some time, therefore we appreciate your patience a lot. Once we will get hold of all the necessary information I will be informing you here.

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2 years ago

Hello everyone


Sorry for such a delay, we waited for required information from our provider.

We waiting on CG team decision now.

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2 years ago
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Good evening,

there is an update: I haven't tried to log into my Bitdice account in a couple of weeks.

I have already tried several times, but entering my data the site does not go on and remains blocked at login.

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Maybe it was a server problem, sorry.

I was able to log into my account today.

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2 years ago

Dear Davide,


I can confirm that we have received some information from the casino's end. In order to make a decision we will have to further discuss this case internally tomorrow and I will inform you about our decision as soon as possible.

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2 years ago

Dear BitDice Casino,


After gathering all the necessary information from both sides and numerous internal discussions, I'd like to present our position on this case.

Firstly, the player was able to play the game which was supposed to be restricted for him in the past and he was also able to receive his winnings successfully. Only after the threshold of the withdrawal amount triggered the verification checks, it was discovered, that he was not supposed to play the game from this particular provider. It is safe to assume, that the player was led to believe that there is no issue with playing such game.

Secondly, we were informed by you about concerns regarding usage of a VPN service during the player's session, we strongly believe it was not the case. Main reasons for our conclusion of this fact are insufficient evidence and the fact that the player was able to provide us with a proof, that he is still able to access the supposedly restricted game from his Italian IP address, without using any VPN to this day. This was in contradiction to games from other providers which were restricted for him, as they should be.

Lastly, the player's gameplay choice did not even bring him any unfair advantage to the table and we are convinced that his winnings were made in good faith, before he was confronted with the fact, that this game was supposed to be restricted for him to play.

With all these points stated, we sincerely believe that a fair resolution in this case would be for player to receive his winnings. Our conclusion was made also in accordance with our Fair Gambling Codex, where you can read in detail our recommendations for casinos, which are also relevant in this particular case.

I have also proposed a joint call to both sides involved, in case any clarification would be needed to support the successful resolution of this case.

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2 years ago

Hello everyone


Mike from the BitDice team here.


First of all, apologies for such a long time this case took us to resolve, we needed time to discuss everything before we could make a final decision. Thank you CG team for helping us with the case.


Davide, we agree with CG's decision and you can now make withdrawal requests via your account, according to our withdrawal limits stated in our T&C.


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Okay .. but my account is still at 0 LTC.

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I'm still waiting…

So, in the future, I won't be able to play Evolution gaming via your site, is that correct?

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Correct, Evolution games are not available for players from Italy

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Ok, I wait for my LTC 100.1243 in my account and I will withdraw according to your terms and conditions.

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2 years ago

Dear Davide,


As we can see, BitDice Casino has agreed with us on the resolution of this case. I sincerely believe, that the balance you are awaiting will be reflected in your account soon and you will be able to process the withdrawal. Please, let us know once you will proceed with the transaction.

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2 years ago
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Until now, I have not received anything.

Bitdice does not answer me and the customer service in chat keeps telling me that the Finance team will take care of the same day, for 2 days.

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The situation has not changed yet.

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I have finally received my first withdrawal, in accordance with BD's limits. Through customer service, I have been informed that I will receive my winnings in installments on my BD account, once a week, which I can withdraw.


Thanks again to Martin, Matej, Petronela and all the CasinoGuru staff for all the support; However, I ask the courtesy to leave this claim open, for at least another three weeks, until I have successfully withdrawn the majority of my winnings.

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2 years ago

Hello Davide,


Thank you for sharing the good news with us. We have been also informed about the casino's withdrawal policy in this case. Please note, that we will not be able to keep this complaint opened for another 3 weeks. Since the casino is fulfilling their words about the payments and are already complying with the resolution of this case, we do not anticipate any negative scenario and we do consider the issue as resolved.

Should you experience any issues with the following withdrawals, please let us know and we will be able to reopen the complaint once again, but I sincerely hope that everything will go well.

As the complaint has been successfully resolved, we will now close it as ‘resolved’ in our system. Thanks for cooperation and don’t hesitate to contact us if you run into any issues with this or any other casino in the future. We are here to help.

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