The player from Germany has been struggling to receive his winnings for almost a month. The complaint was rejected after the player could not provide any evidence proving that he did not receive his withdrawal from the casino.
Good evening, I won € 1200 on October 16, 2020 and wanted to have it paid out on my MasterCard after a couple of days I went to the bank and got an account statement there was nothing on it after I wrote to support and then spoke, they said the money would be with me I then contacted MasterCard again and see that the payment was canceled by Vulkanvegas of your bank and now the money is gone and I am told that my bank has it or that it is on my account, I would be very happy if that is clarified because I came to this casino via a streamer from Facebook and twitch where every 2 days over 1000 people watch us the streamer is playing.
Mfg Tim
Dear Tim,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your delayed withdrawal. Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can understand the whole situation completely. Could you confirm that your account has been verified successfully? Have you received any funds in the past or this were your first withdrawal request?
Do I understand correctly that your funds have been transferred but never actually reached you? Have you received any transaction trucking number from the casino?
I realize that it might seem like a lot of questions, but I would like to understand your problem as accurately as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Petronela
Hello dear Petronela
My account is completely verified I have completely green ticks in the verification in the casino I have not yet received any money from which it would have been the first payout. The very dear MasterCard employee saw the payments but immediately said that the other bank said the payout directly canceled again if those are the tracking numbers at the casino eenn I look at the payout then I have 3 numbers because they have transferred it 3 times, i.e. 2 times 500 € and once 200 € many thanks for helping me I'm just desperate ☹
Thank you very much, Tim, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Nick who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
I would like to ask Vulkan Vegas Casino to join us and help us resolve the player's issue.
We haven't receive any answer from the casino yet. Please note, if you will fail to respond to us, we will be forced to close the complaint as "unersoveld", which could lead to casino rating deduction.
Hello tim.d
I can briefly see the withdrawals were successfully completed during the period of November 14-16.
Please kindly let me know if we could be of any assistance
Kind regards
Alexander
Dear tim.d,
Could you please let us know if you have received your withdrawal?
Hi dear ones, I'll go to the bank in a moment and get a bank statement and then I will contact you directly.
Kind regards
Tim
So I was at the bank unfortunately no money was received I really had a little hope that it would finally be resolved but unfortunately no well at least the casino has now confirmed with the email here that the first payouts in October did not work otherwise they would have yes no more seen and it seems like it says in the message tried again. how will it go on now dear people, i really hope that everything clears up☹😢☹😢☹
Kind regards
Tim
What is the in October why the payouts didn’t work, I called MasterCard they didn’t see any money yet.
This money never got to me where is the money the money was not released by your bank you can have a look at where the money went I have account statements there is no cash receipt of 1200 euros
I'm at it right now and in contact, she just can't seem to tell me anything
Dear tim.d,
Could you reach the casino support? If not, could please Vulkan Vegas advise what should be the problem?
Hi dear ones, unfortunately, the stand is that the casino wants a confirmation from MasterCard that the payout has been canceled by the bank of Vulkanvegas, but MasterCard is not allowed to send something out because the payout was canceled that are only allowed through payments that came about I don't understand I have my account statements that should actually be enough. I also think that money is not simply sent back to my player account.
Kind regards
Thank you for being there for me ☹😢
Dear Vulkan Vegas Casino,
Could you please advise if there is any other possible way for the player to send a statement that he did not receive his money?
Dear Tim,
there are indeed several transactions that were cancelled/declined and the money returned to your account.
But the above-mentioned three transactions are successful, amounting 1200 EUR in total.
I am afraid I cannot help here, hence the financial officer also requires the statement. Without it we cannot proceed
Kind regards
I have the only explanation I can give you that are all my bank statements for the whole month of October and November and I cannot get the MasterCard confirmation as written above because the money transfer did not come about, just I do not understand where the money is now just sad for Such a casino that it is not enough if I show you my bank statements because of the lack of money I put myself in the red because I was expecting it
Kind regards
I'm on the phone again with Mastercard the money is there as reserved but the dealer bank that is yours from the casino has to send the money so that it is there as long as nothing is sent there is clearly a sign that you do not want to pay because then the credit card settlements would be Sadly enough, as I have already read in another forum, the same case as with me because they also didn't pay dear Casino Guru Team that's a very clear 6 for the casino I'm appalled
Kind regards
Dear Tim, so now you are saying that your bank can "see" the money and it's reserved, correct?
Which proves that indeed the winnings have been sent from VulkanVegas.
In this case there are two options:
1) You ask what can be done from the bank side in order for you to receive the money
2) If they refund us we can try sending the winnings via a different payment method.
Trust me, there is no absolutely intention to hold your money by the Casino
Kind regards,
Alexander
I have to make an appointment at my bank again because it's not that easy now, in the case because I called the credit card department twice now, they don't see anything of the money, but one of them has seen something, I will now again make an appointment at the bank and then my bank advisor should call again to see what he achieved, how long something remains on the note because if that is not confirmed, the money will automatically go back to you at some point, right?
Kind regards
Dear tim.d,
Could you please inform us if there is any update regarding the case? Could your bank help your track or resend the payment?
Hey dear Nick
I wish you a nice St. Nicholas day
No, unfortunately a bank can only refuse something in the next 14 days after sending the money and that was almost 2 months ago I don't understand why the money doesn't just go back to my player account ☹ thanks for asking Dear Nick
Thanks for the wishes tim. If there is no possibility to get help we can try to aproach the case from different side. Could please Vulkan Vegas Casino send us a statement/proof that the money has been sent to the player's account? If the money was sent and refused by bank it should be sent back to player's casino account, it couldn't just dissapear. Thank you in advance.
Hi, Nick, I see that exactly as I have done everything that this money is not there why should I make this so stressful I can show all bank statements. And an application to look for where the money is can only be made by the bank that sent the money and actually if the money does not get on the account where it should go then it would have to come back where it came from that unfortunately does not seem to be the case ☹☹ ☹
From which side can we still tackle it nick? By the way, I wish you a nice day in the new week
Thanks Tim, you too. Let's see what can we get from the casino now. I'm pretty sure it should be sent back to your casino account once it was rejected by the bank.
Same here,
Waiting for the money to arrive.
Hope will happen soon
Kind regards,
Alexander
But how long can it take? It's already almost 2 months. You can't even ask Alexander at your bank that they submit an inquiry where the money is. Unfortunately, only the bank from which it went can do that.
Kind regards
Tim D **********
Dear Tim,
Did you try to turn to the licencing authorities? Maybe they would be able to help you track the payment somehow. I'm sure one of the sides have the money, they could not just disapear.
Hi dear Nick, yes I have, but they can't see where the money is. Only the bank from which the money was sent can only make an inquiry. My bank's hands are unfortunately tied.
Hello,
Once again, I do apologize for inconveniences caused,
I've initiated the investigate on the higher-up level.
Please wait for the response within several days, we are contacting the payment provide once again.
Kind regards
Dear Tim,
Any chance you could provide us with the official bank response, that you never received the money (with the ARN number, that was previously provided by the support)
Cause the ARN (Acquirer's Reference Number) - is unique around the world and is a proof of a successful transaction. And we do have the ARN, meaning that transaction has been completed.
Kind regards
But honestly I didn't get anything pure garnish why should I say that I can send you the bank statements all this money I have not received
And if you do the investigation now then hopefully we'll soon see where the money is hiding
Dear Tim,
Without the bank statement we will not be able to proceed. The payment provider confirms that the transactions were successful (because there an ARN number). Thus to make them take the investigation further they'd require some proof from the bank. Sorry, but this is a strict demand from them.
Kind regards
Dear Vulkan Vegas,
Would it be enough proof if the player would send his full bank statment - all received and sent payments in the last 3 months, for example?
Hey Nick, Tim
Our support provided with the confirmation that the transactions were confirmed by the casino, sent by the payment provider and successfully delivered to the players bank account. The following details were provided to the player:
16.10.2020
523254******8308
200.00 EUR
RRN:1016***21974
ARN 054496602911017002***47
16.10.2020
523254******8308
500.00 EUR
RRN: 101***918568
ARN 054496602901016091***85
14.10.2020
523254******8308
500.00 EUR
RRN: 101419424463
ARN 054496602881014042***32
This means that indeed the money arrived to the player's account.
If the money is being held within the player's bank - he should address the inquiries to the bank's support.
This is definitely a question of player vs player's bank. From the casino perspective - all the winnings have been paid out in the timely manner.
If the player is able to ask the bank to cancel these three transactions and our payment provider receives it - we would be more than happy to provide the withdrawals via alternative methods.
Kind regards,
Alexander
Dear Vulcan Vegas team
Why are the two transactions not the complete ARN numbers
Watch it would be nice if I had it all.
Kind regards
Tim D *********
I cannot send the complete number in here.
Sending you via e-mail.
Kind regards,
Alexander
Sorry, I've already sent a lot to you by e-mail and something NEVER came back. Why did you write out the last ARN number in full?
Alexander I just see you have sent me the ARN numbers, thank you, do you mean that my bank can do something with the numbers?
best regards
Tim D *********
Hey Tim,
Yes, all the info has been provided to you.
Just like you - we are waiting for some official bank statement re these transactions and eventually - the money.
Best regards
Dear Tim,
Could you please keep us updated? Did you find out anything in your bank?
Hello everyone, I hope you had a nice Christmas Nick and Alexander from the Vulkanvegas team as it was the holidays, I can only take care of it tomorrow at the earliest because everything was closed by the holidays. best regards
Tim Darmstädter
Thanks for informing us Tom. Wish you happy holidays too. I hope you will be able to get the required information from your bank. Also please note, that it may take longer for us or the casino to reply because of X-mas and New Years Eve.
Best regards,
Nick
Hello everyone, after calling the bank several times and visiting the bank, it is not feasible to give me anything in writing to the bank or credit institute because the credit institute does not see any receipt of money and therefore they are not allowed to hand over anything with the RRN and ARN numbers, my bank cannot do anything that can only the bank from which the money was transferred I have my account statements here and can thus show you that there was no incoming money on my account, we have to somehow agree I have done everything I can now, I hope that you will meet me now and accept the bank statements that I have because it is proof and you can see that I have not received any money.
Kind regards
Tim D ***********
Dear Tim,
We will discuss your issue with my collegues tomorrow and will get back to you as soon as possible. However, it seems to be a dead end for both sides as nobody has access to the money. Dead Vulkan Vegas, would you also accept the bank statements showing that the player did not receive the payment from you?
Hello dear ones, I honestly did not receive this money, why should I lie, I have extra bank statements for something like that, there is nothing you can edit or anything else I am really depressed by this situation and very sad because you were happy that you won something has and now I stand in front of nothing and have paid in and lost money for it, I don't understand, thank you for your effort, honestly nice that there are people like you and I have not lost my belief and hope that it will be clarified in this sense I wish you a nice evening
Dear Tim,
Please send us the relevant document and also the withdrawal requests you made in the casino for the 1200€, so we can see if it matches with the statement from your bank. We need to make sure that everything was correct and that your money really did not arrive. Please send it to nikolas.b@casino.guru.
Hi nick I'm just getting the documents just so you know.
Kind regards
Tim
Hi everyone, I have sent a couple of documents, but I still have to send something that I have my bank send me the account statements again
Hey Tim,
Please send all the requested documents and let us know if there will be any outcome. Thank you in advance.
Dear Tim,
I ment that send all the requested documents to the casino to finish your withdrawal process as fast as possible. Please let us know if you will do or there will be any update on the withdrawal status.
So I am now sending all the documents to Vulkanvegas if that is correct then I would need an email address from the casino because I've already sent a few emails to the casino but they never answered MfG
Tim Darmstädter
Dear Tim,
Can't you upload the documents directly on your casino game account? Also, don't you have any e-mail communicatiion with the casino? The casino claimed before that they have sent you a few things before so there should be some relevant e-mail addresses.
I can't upload anything to my casino account. I will then send the things to the email I have and then I wait for them to not reply anyway because I have the feeling that they are through with the topic
Hi,
Is there any specific reason you cannot upload the proofs within your casino profile?
Regards
So I upload the stuff to other documents, right volcanic vegas?
You have to login into your casino account and upload the documents there.
Dear Vulkan Vegas,
Could you please inform us if the player has uploaded the required documents or is there still something missing?
Dear Nick,
I see the player uploaded something, I would just ask the player to share these very documents with you.
Cause to us - these documents do not prove anything.
As requested before, we would expect the statement from the bank, that the PLAYER never received the money from the transactions:
"16.10.2020
523254******8308
200.00 EUR
RRN:1016***21974
ARN 054496602911017002***47
16.10.2020
523254******8308
500.00 EUR
RRN: 101***918568
ARN 054496602901016091***85
14.10.2020
523254******8308
500.00 EUR
RRN: 101419424463
ARN 054496602881014042***32 "
(The full ARNs were sent to the player)
Regards
Say Vulkanvegas these are documents that are legal in Germany, these are account statements that are accepted here by every office, I don't get anything from my bank because they can't see the ARN number, they can't start anything in Germany but we already had the topic in December I can ask again if I can get something. But Casini Guru asked for an alternative and I should send you the extracts
Please kindly share the docs with Casino Guru team
maybe they could define something, because I could not.
Regards
I have now received the document from my bank and will send it to you, I hope that the subject is over and I get the money.
Kind regards
Tim Darmstädter
Casino Guru I have sent the same documents to Vulkanvegas as they already have, but as described above, I received a written declaration from my bank that I never received the money, I will also send this document to you here or rather to the email address .
Kind regards
Tim Darmstädter
You can send it to nikolas.b@casino.guru. Also I would like to ask Vulkan Vegas Casino if the documents received from the player are satisfying.
Sorry, Nick
But to us (based upon the billing's dept. response) - the documents are not satisfactory.
The document provided states that no fund were received from VulkanVegas, but in most of the cases the money transfer includes some different name ( (e.g. gambling services etc), not VulkanVegas ... so of course the bank will say that they did not receive anything from "VulkanVegas"
Tim,
Here is what we can do.
Previously you provided us with a statement of all the transactions for the period of September 2020. (Don't know why you did it, hence all transactions took place in October).
Please provide the same one for the entire period of October 2020 And we will resolve teh case, cause honestly all are tired.
Regards
Dear Tim,
Please provide the requested document to the casino as fast as possible.
Dear all, I now have the account statements No. 9 from 10.9.20 to 15.10.20 and statement No. 10 from 17.10.20 to 21.10.20 and statement No. 11 from 26.10.20 to 27.10.20 and statement no 12 from 11.11.20 until 20.11.20 sent these are all incoming and outgoing items that I had on the account, I hope that's enough for you guys.
Kind regards
Tim Darmstädter
Hi dear Nick, I have also sent all documents to you to the email address given. I would be happy to receive a short answer.
Kind regards
Tim, quick question - why don't you have all the transactions for 1 month on one sheed (or screeshot) ?
Why did you have to split them?
Regards
We only have the extracts because they only have the entrances and exits on them
So we get the statements from the bank statement machine from the bank and not everything is on one sheet, so the numbers 9, 10,11,12 are in the top right corner so that nothing can be falsified, these statements are only unique
I do not have online banking on the credit card if I have it activated now I will only see the sales from today and not from last year so that would not help
Alright then,
Our verdict - the player received the winnings (based upon the ARN and payment provider's confirmation).
But I will let Casino Guru decide, since the complaint has been received to "their hands" 🙂
Nick, your word would be final here.
Kind regards
Vulkanvegas these are account statements that are valid, they see that I haven't got anything 😢😢😢 why should I make such a fuss why I am really very sad I have given you everything I have everything and then they say something like that
We have no doubt they are valid.
On the other hand - we have doubts they include ALL the info.
In addition, we are talking about card 523254******8308 (the one you used for depositing and withdrawal)
On the screenshot above -you have a different one, that wasn't used at VulkanVegas
Look that is staggered because only the sales come in and outputs come in if on 17.10.20 ssge I have not transferred anything and nothing has been credited to the account, there is nothing so only the sales and expenses
You can't hear anything falsifying them, I have 3 children and a woman, one child is severely disabled, they mean I am criminalizing myself, I just want to be treated fairly☹😢☹😢
And above is the right excerpt so that you can see that only sales and outputs are on it and that is from a different date so that you can see that it is always like that
I am giving no more comments here.
Would give the time needed for CasinoGuru representative to make a decision.
Having read your life-story above - I would strongly recommend not to gamble.
Contact support please if you would wish to close your account or self-exclude.
Regards
Dear Tim,
After checking your bank statements, we have to agree with the casino. Although the card number matches with the one you also used in the casino, the statements do not seem complete. There are too many dates missing from it so it can't be accepted as a proof. Sorry, but if you won't be able to provide a full statement of that month with every single day included it can't be relevant. I'll extend the complaint by last 7 days, to give it a last chance for you to send the full statement. However, if you won't be able to prove in any way that you did not receive your money from the casino, the complaint will be rejected. I'm sorry that it turned out this way but as there is not any evidence of which you based your complaint on, our hands are tied.
The complaint will now be rejected as we did not received any statement from the player with could prove that he did not receive the money. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you will come across any trouble in the future, we will gladly try to help.
Best regards,
Nick
Casino.guru