Marco from Germany discovered that he lost money during a time he didn’t play.
Good day
I hope you can help me.
I have on 19.12. Fade some money at vera and john online casino in 2019.
Some debits are also correct, but a total of 210 euros is completely wrong.
4 debits within a very short time of 5 to 10 minutes ... must have been double.
I was at work and was only able to play during the breaks and did not lose 50 Euros within 5 minutes that I could not remember.
As I said, I had some debits on the day 310 euros but not another 210 euros, especially not at these intervals.
When booking, there are no numbers just the date and time.
The super sport that I wrote to in the live chat was very rude very quickly and then closed the chat very quickly.
I hope you can help me
Many thanks
Guten Tag
Ich hoffe sie können mir helfen.
Ich habe am 19.12. 2019 bei vera und john online Casino einiges an Geld verblassen.
Einige Abbuchungen sind auch korrekt aber 210 Euro insgesamt sind völlig falsch.
4 Abbuchungen innerhalb kürzester Zeit 5 bis 10 min....müssen doppelt gelaufen sein.
Ich war auf Arbeit und habe nur in den Pausen spielen können und habe auch nicht das ich mich erinnern könnte innerhalb von 5 min 50 Euro verspielt.
Wie gesagt ich habe an dem Tag einiges abbuchen lassen 310 Euro aber nicht noch weitere 210 Euro vorallem nicht in diesen Abständen.
Bei den Buchungen stehen auch keine Nummern nur datum und Uhrzeit.
Der Supersport den ich im live Chat angeschrieben habe war sehr schnell unfreundlich und hat dann auch ganz schnell den Chat geschlossen.
Ich hoffe sie können mir weiter helfen
Vielen Dank
Hello Marco.
Thank you for submitting your complaint. We are very sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope I understand your problem correctly. Could you please send us your game history and/or account history? Please, highlight times during which you are not aware of having played.
Hello Marco.
Thank you for submitting your complaint. We are very sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope I understand your problem correctly. Could you please send us your game history and/or account history? Please, highlight times during which you are not aware of having played.
Dear Marco,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to provide the required information in the given time frame, we will reject your complaint.
Dear Marco,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to provide the required information in the given time frame, we will reject your complaint.
Hello and healthy new
Thank you first for your feedback and excuse me for not responding.
So I've had regular inevitable contact with the casino over the past two weeks.
For a while it went back and forth because you always have 24 hours "time" to answer. Or the request expires after the 24 hours.
But I think after the last contact the fair was read, they checked everything again, etc. but there were no abnormalities to be seen !?
With ... of course ... the reference to the terms and conditions that the casino will free itself from if a third party misuses my data or drives my payment methods through my account etc.
I think everything is clear !!!!
Unfortunately, I cannot understand the course of the game myself ... For the following reasons.
-Played a lot on the day, as already mentioned, paid 315 euros and gambled
- from this it follows that you have to scroll very far to get to the point in time at all, which is also impossible because at some point the system seems to be overwhelmed and you either start again from above or if you click on something and maybe it is the wrong time ... you start up again.
-this is simply better solved at other casinos eg. 888casino clearer and also feasible
The only thing I could capture with a screenshot are the deposits I made more or less.
There you can also see from when to when the debit was made which I did not make .... within half an hour 3 debits over 50 euros and 1 over 60 euros.
So 210 euros in half an hour in which I didn't play because I was on my way home from work. Fortunately, I immediately continued playing and deposited 100 euros and played until early in the morning. So no one could continue to debit since I was online myself.
But my playing behavior alone stands in the way of it. I play for small sums up to a maximum of 1 euro up to a maximum of 2 euros, but mostly less played a lot of games.
But to lose 210 euros in half an hour I would have noticed wink wink.
But as I said, I think there is little chance of success. The terms and conditions speak for themselves!
But what was still striking ... after the first live chat was very short and rough at the time.
The young lady from the second contact via the live chat had immediately after I asked if it was not possible to check from which IP address was debited (since it could not be mine) or was being played. She then immediately advised me to report to the police, etc. ... which is nice but is questionable because I theoretically make myself punishable for illegal gambling.
Thank you for your efforts
But with vera and John I'm through !!!!
The next time I visit Malta I will pee on your mailbox :-)
Hallo und gesundes Neues
Vielen Dank erstmal für ihre Rückmeldung und entschuldigen sie, die nicht Rückmeldung meiner seits.
Also ich hatte jetzt über die letzten knapp zwei Wochen regelmäßigen zwangsläufigen Kontakt zum Casino.
Eine Weile ging es hin und her da man ja immer 24 Stunden "Zeit"hat zu Antworten. Oder es verfällt das Anliegen nach den 24 Stunden.
Aber ich glaube nach dem letzten Kontakt ist die Messe gelesen sie haben alles nochmal geprüft usw.es sind aber keine Auffälligkeiten wohl zu sehen gewesen!?
Mit....natürlich...dem Verweis auf die AGB's das das casino sich davon frei macht falls ein dritter meine Daten missbraucht oder mit meinen Zahlungsmethoden unfug treibt über meinen Account usw.
Ich denke damit ist alles klar!!!!
Den Spielverlauf kann ich leider selber nicht nachvollziehen.... Aus folgenden Gründen.
-an dem Tag sehr viel gespielt wie schon erwähnt selber 315 Euro eingezahlt und verspielt
-daraus folgt das man sehr weit zurück Scrollen muss um überhaupt zu besagten Zeitpunkt zu kommen was aber auch unmöglich ist da es irgendwann das System anscheinend überfordert und man entweder wieder von oben anfängt oder wenn man etwas anklickt und es vielleicht die falsche Zeit.... man wieder oben anfängt.
-das ist einfach bei anderen Casinos besser gelöst zb. 888casino übersichtlicher und auch machbar
Das einzige was ich per Screenshot festhalten konnte sind die Einzahlungen die ich mehr oder weniger getätigt habe.
Dort kann man auch sehen von wann bis wann die Abbuchung gelaufen sind die ich nicht getätigt habe.... innerhalb einer halben Stunde 3 Abbuchungen über 50 Euro und 1 über 60 euro.
Also 210 euro in einer halben Stunde in der ich ausgerechnet nicht gespielt habe da ich von der Arbeit unterwegs nach Hause war. Zum Glück hatte ich dann sofort weiter gespielt und 100 Euro eingezahlt und bis in dem frühen Morgen gespielt. Somit konnte niemand weiter abbuchen da ich ja selber online war.
Aber allein mein Spielverhalten steht dem entgegen ich spiele um kleine Summen maximal 1 Euro bis max 2 Euro maximal, aber meist weniger deshalb auch viele Spiele gespielt.
Aber 210 Euro in einer halben Stunde zu verspielen hätte ich mitbekommen zwinker zwinker.
Aber wie gesagt ich glaube da besteht wenig Möglichkeiten auf Erfolg. Die AGB's spechen für sich!!!
Ein was war aber noch auffällig....nachdem der erste live Chat damals sehr kurz und ruppig war.
Die junge Dame von der zweiten Kontakt aufnahme über den live Chat hatte sofort nachdem ich gefragt habe, ob es denn nicht möglich sei für besagten Zeitraum zu überprüfen von welcher IP Adresse abgebucht ( da es nicht meine sein könnte ) wurde oder gespielt wurde. Sie hatte mir dann sofort angeraten mich bei der Polizei zu melden usw... was nett gemeint ist aber ja fragwürdig ist da ich ja theoretisch selber strafbar mache zwecks illegalen Glücksspiel.
Nun gut trotzdem vielen Dank für ihre Mühen
Aber mit vera und John bin ich durch!!!!
Beim nächsten Besuch auf Malta werden ich gegen ihr Postfach pullern:-)
Hello Marco.
Unfortunately, the casino has right. They take no responsibility in cases that somebody hacks your account, or use your stolen credit card. In your case, somebody was using your account for playing so the question is who may do that. I can strongly recommend you to change the password for the casino. May I ask, which device are you using for play in the casino? How was it possible that this 3rd person was able to deposit multiple times? Which payment method it was?
I am very sorry, but if your payment details were used to charge your account, we can't help you to refund the money. However, we may be able to help you understand what happened and maybe convince the casino to share some more information like IP and location. Let me know if you are interested to continue the investigation.
Hello Marco.
Unfortunately, the casino has right. They take no responsibility in cases that somebody hacks your account, or use your stolen credit card. In your case, somebody was using your account for playing so the question is who may do that. I can strongly recommend you to change the password for the casino. May I ask, which device are you using for play in the casino? How was it possible that this 3rd person was able to deposit multiple times? Which payment method it was?
I am very sorry, but if your payment details were used to charge your account, we can't help you to refund the money. However, we may be able to help you understand what happened and maybe convince the casino to share some more information like IP and location. Let me know if you are interested to continue the investigation.
Because Marco didn't respond on our last post and from what he wrote is clear what happened, we are closing this complaint as "rejected".
Sorry Marco for your negative experience, hope next time you will have better luck.
Because Marco didn't respond on our last post and from what he wrote is clear what happened, we are closing this complaint as "rejected".
Sorry Marco for your negative experience, hope next time you will have better luck.
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