The player from Germany has been accused of breaching bonus T&Cs by activating multiple match bonuses in a row.
I deposited a total of 27 times at the casino, including 20 times with the deposit bonus, since you get new bonus offers almost every day at the casino, I naturally almost always deposited with the bonus. Today to my payment request of 3.114 euros came a response that my payment was confiscated because I allegedly violated terms and conditions that are unrelated to the fraud. These are the key points from the general terms and conditions:
- Players who make deposits only when a bonus is available risk that their winnings from the bonus will be confiscated and the amount of the bonus originally deposited will remain.
- At least one real deposit without bonus approval must be made before 3 bonus deposits are made in a row. The amount of the deposit must be at least equal to the average amount of previous deposits that triggered a bonus.
I know a lot of online casinos and none of them has such a point in the terms and conditions. I have always wondered why there are new bonuses almost every day at this casino, I know of no other casino that awards so many bonuses to existing customers, now the answer is clear, so that you fall into the trap of these terms and conditions. Because nobody can imagine that if you often take bonuses one after the other, you cannot pay anything afterwards. My request to reimburse me for my deposit, where I have previously claimed bonuses and then had no right under your terms and conditions, for a withdrawal. Furthermore, this MR.BET provider does not have a button on the page where you can upload the documents and it also does not work by e-mail, supposedly after a few days a field appears in the profile where you can upload the documents. I believe that this point in the terms and conditions is ineffective because it cannot be linked to the fraud in any way, just because you deposit almost exclusively with deposit bonuses. Much more is the fraud on the part of MR.BET, because as already mentioned there are very, very many bonuses with this provider and there are also such terms and conditions point, which also explains why so many bonuses are received. That is the real scam. If you can help me in any way to get my winnings, which I did not violate the bonus sales conditions, but stumbled into this preconstructed bonus trap, I would be very grateful to you.
Dear L. J.,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. I have checked bonus terms and conditions, and this is what I found:
"At least a single genuine deposit without a bonus release has to be made prior to making 3 bonus-releasing deposits in a row. The amount of the deposit has to be at least the average amount of the previous deposits made, that triggered a bonus"
I think that this rule should be enforced at software level, i.e., that the casino's software or website shouldn't let players claim more bonuses than they can, but we will discuss this with our team.
In the meantime, could you clarify whether you claimed any No Deposit Bonus as well? Did you always finish the wagering requirements with all the deposit bonuses?
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Kristina
Hello, I always played through the bonuses and never activated the new bonuses before the old bonuses were completely reset to zero. At this casino, you are supposedly not allowed to take new bonuses continuously. You should make a deposit after 3 bonuses at the latest, which is on average at least as large as the previous deposits. I wonder what's that? They call it abuse of bonus offers, there are an incredible number of bonus offers from those you get almost every day. Now it is understandable why, it is the preconstructed management to refuse the payments.
Hello Kristina, you are right that the software should be adjusted in such a way that no further bonus can be taken unless you deposit more than before and without a bonus. It is 100% evident that it is an intention. If you built something into the software, then this GTC point is superfluous and that would not correspond to the project. If my payout was less than what I have deposited so far, I think that it would have paid mr.bet, so they write that you risk losing your winnings and do not write that you basically lose your winnings. I have had over € 2000 plus with this payout at this casino and this is definitely not a good thing for this casino. Basically, they put the "winnings" out of the playful money. But most honest casinos don't necessarily look for all sorts of reasons to refuse to pay you out, instead they rely on you playing with them long enough, which will make the casino one day one way or another. With these terms and conditions, this mr.bet casino sets itself the option to pay out or not, in which the, in these terms and conditions point that you RISK to lose your winnings. This means that with these numerous daily bonus offers, deposits are brought in and if someone wants to withdraw and has significantly more to withdraw than he has deposited, this casino has an alleged reason that you have recorded in the terms and conditions to refuse the withdrawal. It is nothing more than a management-based scam. The question arises whether such a process can be used with what I believe to be an ineffective point in the terms and conditions, because it is not clear to me how far the frequent use of bonuses can be seen as abuse of the bonus. I always do that before I deposit anywhere, I look who has a better offer. They can't make offers all the time and then punish you for them. As already described, this scam was understood and therefore it should not be tolerated. Greetings L. J.
I have to say something else. This comparative example shows that this "rule" is ineffective and pursues fraudulent intentions: this casino could have brought the following change in the terms and conditions from one day to the next without the hint of what is new and you confirm it with just one click on the button that you agree. They write in what I believe is comparable to this "bonus abuse rule". EXAMPLE: Terms and Conditions point 7.5 - you may not deposit more than 3 times behind with only 10 € amounts, then you should deposit at least 50 € at a time so that you can then deposit 3 times again with 10 € amounts, so we reserve the right Confiscate the winnings at your own discretion, as it is an improper attempt to make a profit with small stakes. !!! GREAT!!! I hope not, now that the other casinos, if they read it, the thoughts are coming to make as 🙁
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When I tried to get a comment on the Mr. scam in chat yesterday, there was simply no answer. I have accused Mr Fraud of violating your preconstructed and partly unlawful AGBS by providing me with additional bonuses after claiming the third bonus, although this point is either way wrong. But how can you sue them if that is pure offshore casino
Thank you very much L. J. for your reply. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Jozef who will be at your assistance. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction soon.
I'm starting to feel like I'm vanishing my time for nothing because you don't answer at all 🙁
Hello L. J..
Thank you very much for sharing your negative experience with the Casino. We will now try to get in touch with them.
Jozef, you don't seriously believe that such a casino will answer something sensible, or will answer at all.
L. J., this casino is responsive on our website, so I believe they will respond.
We would like to ask the Mr Bet Casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’.
Hello Jozef, even if they answer, you really don't think they admit that your bonus management has fraudulent intentions. I even called this casino, but they think it's normal and refer to the terms and conditions.
Read this GTC point carefully:
- At least one real deposit without bonus release must be made before making 3 bonus deposits in a row. The deposit amount must be at least the average amount of previous deposits that triggered a bonus.
This means that I have to make a deposit without a bonus even directly after the welcome bonus before I can take 3 bonuses in a row, i.e. if I didn't make a deposit without a bonus after the welcome bonus and still did everything "right" afterwards and would have then anytime won with the bonus they would have said that i violated terms and conditions. This AGB point is 100% fraud, that you must also be able to recognize Jozef.
There are many reviewed complaints about this mr.bet and mostly it is about this casino refusing withdrawals.
I think we shouldn't waste any time and make the worst rating right now.
Greetings L.J.
Dear L. J.,
We would like to kindly remind you that by creating an account at Mr.bet, all players accept the Terms and Conditions and agree to follow them. According to our Terms and Conditions, clause 7.14 of https://mr.bet/terms, "All customers must make at least one genuine deposit prior to making 3 bonus-releasing deposits in a row:
- Players who solely making deposits when there is a bonus available will risk of having their winnings from the bonus confiscated and being left with the initial deposited amount of the bonus in question;
- At least a single genuine deposit without a bonus release has to be made prior to making 3 bonus-releasing deposits in a row. The amount of the deposit has to be at least the average amount of the previous deposits made, that triggered a bonus"
When clients choose to play in a casino, they must read and accept the Terms and Conditions as a service agreement between the two parties. A crucial section of a casino's Terms and Conditions is the part where it discusses the Terms of their bonuses. Thus, it is important to look through the conditions of obtaining and wagering any bonuses or promotions the casino offers, as well as other bonus terms and limitations. Upon ticking the box and proceeding with the registration, customers then become bound by those Terms and Conditions.
For this reason your winnings were forfeited and the last deposit of 20 EUR was compensated.
We are sorry the outcome was undesirable for you. We can certainly understand your feelings after receiving our email informing you about the T&C violation. That being said, we would like to state that your feedback is extremely important to us, therefore, we have passed the information you have shared to our management team for them to consider how the process can be optimized in the future.
I think Mr.bet should stop making one honest. There are numerous and above all only bad reviews about you, which are 95% correct, mostly it is about refusing to pay out and there are numerous independent review portals that have taken a close look at you and have looked at you based on many Events rated and everything explained in detail about you, e.g. https://casinofm.de/schlechte-erfahrungen-mit-mr-bet/. With your answer here, try to reduce at least from 100% certainty about your criminal act to 99%. In the fact that you published your fraudulent point yourself, you openly show that you are a criminal and that nothing can be done to you because your Curacao under-licensed offshore company has been. For every normal person, it is obvious that this regulation must not exist because it cannot be associated with any bonus abuse, since they are deposit bonuses and it is not clear how far there is a bonus abuse if you offer bonuses continuously, it is one free market economy, you ask for bonus and you have to decide if you want to play with bonus and when not. If you hadn't pursued this intention with this regulation, then you shouldn't have offered any bonuses before you could claim a bonus again or in any other way with software, you could prevent this "procedure", but you do that because then it would be superfluous to have such a point in the terms and conditions and it would not correspond to your intention to refuse to pay out. The point is that you have introduced such a scheme for fraudulent purposes because the bonus wagering requirements have not been violated and you take this as an excuse to refuse the winnings and you can write as much as you want, it is unmistakable It is clear that you are cheating on terms and conditions, knowing that no player will read everything in detail. I have been playing online for over 10 years and I am very familiar with all possible normal rules and I honestly say that if I had read this item 7.14 with you after registration, it would be for me, based on my experience, that you have been a fraudster. There is only one way for you to prove that you have not been a scammer just by paying me my fair profit. I also have to say that I am aware that I will not normally get my winnings and that my time will vanish somewhere in vain, but I am trying to use my contribution to warn other honest players about you. If you want to say something here again, then please not only are our terms and conditions and so it says, but please explain:
Your GTC point 7.14:
- At least one real deposit without bonus approval must be made before 3 bonus deposits are made in a row. The amount of the deposit must be at least equal to the average amount of previous deposits that triggered a bonus. "
- where is the bonus abuse here if I also take 4 or 5 bonuses that you constantly offer yourself?
-It also means that I deposited all the time and you accepted the money without which I could never pay my winnings, which means you were almost never obliged to pay the winnings to me, which also means that I was whole Time gave you money without the prospect of getting anything in return, which is also fraud because you don't want to pay me this money either, right?
PS. it can also be interpreted as saying that after the welcome bonus has to make a deposit without a bonus, before I can take 3 bonuses in sequence and so on and no matter how you recognize the intent to defraud with the knowledge that none where the intention is to abuse a bonus so far will not read, but only what the sales operations are and what games you are not allowed to play. The bonus can only be misused in one way by collecting free spins and after the bonus is lost, which triggers the free spin to convert into real money.
Dear MrBet Casino team.
First of all, thank you for your cooperation in this case.
Although we completely agree with your statement that the players should read T&Cs, we believe the casino environment should be also safe. When a player is allowed to claim the bonus which you are offering, even if he should not actually play with it, we do not consider this environment to be user friendly.
Therefore, we would like to ask if it is your final decision or if there is any chance you could reevaluate the case?
Dear Casino.guru,
I have to thank you for your support. Fortunately, I have to inform you that Casino Mr.bet has contacted me and has paid out the entire profit and even paid an additional 220 euros as compensation for inconvenience, which of course says a lot about the casino and is of course very positive. From my point of view, the casino has shown itself from its best side and has a clear recommendation from me and I think you can rate the casino as very positive.
Best regards
L. J.
Dear L. J. and CarisoGuru team.
We appreciate that you bring our attention to the issue we have. It gave us the opportunity to take a different look at the relationship with our players and work to improve that direction. We will improve our service for sure and become a better casino. We were happy to work with you on finding the best solution for L.J..
Best Regards,
Mr.Bet Casino team.