The player from Finland claims to have ranked on the leaderboard at Kryptosino casino but was suddenly prohibited from future participation and denied his €350 prize. He seeks assistance in retrieving the funds he believes he is entitled to.
I was on the leaderboard at the Kryptosino casino, ranking fourth weekly and fifth monthly, with respective prizes of €100 and €250, totaling €350. When the weekly contest ended, I was suddenly informed that I am now prohibited from participating in the leaderboard in the future, and they refuse to pay me any of the €350 prize. I would like Casinoguru to help me get what rightfully belongs to me. Thank you.
Dear Jarski88,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can understand the whole situation completely.
Have you ever won a prize from the leaderboard contest?
Has the casino informed you about the reasons for the prohibition and cancellation of the prize?
Could you please share your communication with the casino regarding the issue? Send emails or chat transcripts to my email at dominika.l@casino.guru, or post screenshots here.
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Dominika
Hi, yes I have won free spins many times and they added those free spins to me correctly, but they refuse to pay those cash prizes. No. The casino has not informed me of the reason why I can no longer join the leaderboard, even though I have tried to ask many times. I sent you an email with screenshots of the conversation we had.
Hi, when I tried to log in today, I couldn't log in, so I asked customer service why I can't log in, and they answered that my account is closed and they don't have more detailed information about why. I would also like you to find out why my account has been closed because I haven't received a more detailed explanation.
I also have cashback at that casino without getting about €100 in advance in addition to the prizes on the leaderboard.
I got this answer from the casino. I don't understand what the hell the review is and why, because I don't think I've done anything wrong.
Hello again, I went to kryptosino's customer service again to ask about the prize and the opening of the account, and I got this answer.
I have tried to contact kryptosino's customer service many times by email, but I have not received any answer to any of my questions.
Dear Jarski88, thank you for the information provided.
Has the casino specified any reason for the prize prohibition and cancellation?
Have you received the results of the security review?
Were there any funds remaining in your casino account when it was blocked?
I have tried to ask the customer service many times, but I have not received any answer. Live chat they don't know anything because another department is said to be handling the cases in question and they haven't replied anything to my emails for a long time. No, I have not received the results of the information security audit. I have also tried to ask customer service about them many times, but I have not received any answer. They don't really have any valid reason not to pay me the money due to me and no reason to close my game account. I had about €15 in money there from my game account and I would have received a cashback of about €100, which would also have been real money.
Thank you very much, Jarski88, for providing the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Stefan (stefan.m@casino.guru) who will be at your service. I wish you the best of luck and hope the problem will be resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Dear Jarski88,
I am so sorry to hear your account got closed and your funds got confiscated. I will contact the casino and try to resolve the issue as soon as possible.
Now I would like to invite a Kryptosino Casino representative to join this conversation and participate in resolving this complaint.
Dear Kryptosino Casino,
Could you comment on this? What was the reason that the player hasn't received the winnings from a weekly tournament? Why was the player's account closed with an active balance?
Thank you in advance for providing the information.
We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.
Hello Guru analysts and Jarski88,
Firstly, I would like to clear out some statements out that may have been wrongly translated or presented. The player wasn't participating in a competition staged by a provider or anything, he is referring to the casino leaderboard standings that are part of our loyalty program. We have daily, weekly and monthly leaderboard for our active players based on which we reward their loyalty and activity.
The 250€ he is referring to in his post are part of the monthly leaderboard, where he stood at fifth place, at the time. Please note that the monthly leaderboard closed on the 30th of November, and jarski88 was on it up until the 11th of November. He wasn't on the final standings, therefore we must refute the statement that we owe him 250€.
We paid what we owed to him, and that were his legitimate winnings, he won nicely and was paid fairly.
As he was insulting to the live chat agents, clogging the communication channels repeatedly and threatening with complaints, our risk management department decided to place him under Security Review and withold the 100€ from the weekly leaderboard. We reserve the right to exclude players from our loyalty program due to reasons that go against our Casino policy and fair gaming.
Jarski88 states in his complaint that the casino wasn't replying to him but we have proof that he was informed about everything, and can provide it privately if needed. The fact that we didn't reply to his additional 22 emails is solely because it is considered abuse of the communication service and we were clear enough in our initial e-mails. We deemed additional communication unnecessary which would only fuel him further.
I remain available if further clarification is needed. As far as the Security review goes, he will be informed once the relevant department reaches a resolution.
Respectfully,
Kryptosino
Lie hear more. First of all, from that leaderboard, I was fourth in the weekly and for that alone I should have received 100€ money from you because the prize was 100€ which you denied me without even telling me the reason for it. Then I was fifth in the monthly Leaderboard, whose prize would have been €250. I could have stayed or even gotten to a better place if you hadn't closed my game account for no reason. In addition, I had €15 in money in my wallet and I would have received a cashback of around €100. In my opinion, you really haven't paid me everything that is really due to me. And besides, I only went into chat and sent you those emails after you had already denied me that reward from the leaderboard and closed my game account. Why on earth would I uselessly send dozens of e-mails and threaten to file a complaint if there is no valid reason for it. I did win a lot of money from that casino, but it took about three to four weeks before you paid me all the money I won, and on your page it says that the withdrawals are immediate. It wasn't immediate for me. And you did close my account because I kept winning more and more money, so you didn't want to pay me my winnings anymore. And I wasn't aware of everything as you claim. I still don't even know what the result of my user security check was? Could you answer that? Everything you're trying to accuse me of only happened after you had already closed my Game Account and denied me those leaderboard rewards. In my opinion, you still owe me money.
Dear Kryptosino Casino,
Thank you for your response and the information provided.
We understand that the "insulting to the live chat agents, clogging the communication channels repeatedly and threatening with complaints" is enough reason to close the player's account. But we believe the player should be paid his winnings, in this case, at least 15€. Could you state if the weekly leaderboard and cashback winnings need to be wagered before they become withdrawable?
I'll be awaiting your reply.
But when I didn't really contact customer service until after my Game Account had already been closed and the winnings confiscated. Before that, I had no reason to send an email or contact customer service. Please send kryptosino casino evidence that I have done something you claim before before my Game Account was closed. Actually, it went so that at first that kryptosino casino did not agree to pay me my weekly reward from the result table list and only after that I contacted the customer service and sent an email, not before that.
Hello Stefan,
No problem, it is never easy to reach such a decision but it rests on us to maintain a positive environment.
The cashback that players accumulate and claim via their player profiles doesn't have any wagering while the leaderboard rewards that we send have x10 wagering before becoming available to withdraw.
The player had 14,79€ on his balance, we adjusted it to 20€ which is the minimum withdrawable amount and we sent it to his Skrill. Let me know if you need proof of payment.
Remaining available.
Kind regards,
Kryptosino
Yes, that €20 came to my Skrill account. Could you kryptosino kasino still pay me even the cashback which was around €100? If you could still pay it because it is real money, I would be happy.
Dear Kryptosino,
Thank you for your response and the information provided.
Since the player's account has been blocked, we believe they should receive the cashback of €100, as it does not have any wagering requirements. However, the player is not eligible for the leaderboard winnings due to the 10x wagering requirements associated with it.
I'll be awaiting your reply.
Dear Stefan,
We would like to address the player's concerns regarding the 100€ bonus from their leaderboard placement. Please note that this bonus is subject to a x10 wagering requirement and, as outlined in our Terms and Conditions, cannot be withdrawn immediately.
Regarding the cashback, the player is currently ineligible. As detailed in our prior communication, they had a balance of 14.79€, which we adjusted to 20€ and subsequently paid out. This adjustment represents the final amount owed to the player, and no further payments are due.
Additionally, the player has been excluded from the loyalty program, rendering them ineligible for cashback. Their account has been deactivated, and as per our Terms and Conditions, we reserve the right to exclude individuals from leaderboards and loyalty programs based on the outcome of a security review or individual evaluation.
All legitimate winnings have been processed and paid to the player in accordance with our policies. Therefore, we confirm that we have fulfilled our obligations in this matter, and no further action is required on our part.
Kind Regards,
Kryptosino
Yes, you have to pay the 100€ cashback to me. Actually, you should also pay the €100 prize from that scoreboard because I wasn't fired from the scoreboard when I won that prize. And in addition, I would have won at least €250 from the result table for that month, because I would have definitely stayed at least fourth if you had not closed my account for no reason and thus prevented me from playing, which led to me falling out of the table and out of the prizes. I think the least that kryptosino casino can do at this point is to pay me the 100€ cashback. Even the €20 you transferred to me was part of the daily cashback.
Kryptosino what was My account security review result?? Can you tell me Even that?
Dear Kryptosino,
As you have adjusted the withdrawal from 14.79€ to 20€, we believe that the remaining 94,79€ should be paid to the player. The player opted for a cashback option prior to the blocking of their account, and as this amount does not carry any wagering requirements, it should be paid out. Failing to fulfill the obligations will lead to a closing of the complaint as unresolved, which might lower the rating of the casino on our website.
Your understanding is much appreciated.
I think they should pay me My weekly leaderboards prize 100€ too because i wasent exluded leaderboards when i win that prize. IT was after IT. So in My mind they Have to pay me 200€.
We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.
Hello Jarski88 and Stefan,
Just want to roll back a little because Guru seems confused as to what we should or not pay. Jarski88 with his signature back to back baseless claims and requests tend to confuse a neutral observer into thinking he has been wronged, so I find no fault in Guru for being a victim of his relentlessness manipulation.
I will sum up the whole ordeal and if anything is unclear, Stefan please ask.
We don't owe him 94.79€ because this part that Jarski88 wrote 'Yes, you have to pay the 100€ cashback to me' is baseless, he doesn't have 100€ cashback that we need to pay and is just writing things for the sake of getting as much as he can from this situation.
We paid him 20€ because he had 14.79€ on his balance, and since the minimum withdraw amount is 20€, we showed good will and sent him the 20€. I repeat, that money was on his balance, not from cashback, leaderboard or the plethora of bonuses Jarski88 is asking for. We paid our dues to him and won't allow to be extorted anything further based on the complaint outcome.
' The player opted for a cashback option prior to the blocking of their account, and as this amount does not carry any wagering requirements, it should be paid out.' - the moment he was excluded from the loyalty program, is the very same moment his pending bonuses were voided. He didn't opt for a cashback option, it is a given to all well intending users that play on our site. As per our Bonus Terms and Conditions, we retain the right to exclude players from the loyalty program based on a Security review.
As the Security Review proved negative, he is banished from using our services. He played, he won, we paid him out and that is the end of story.
Kryptosino why My security review was negative??? And yes i had there at least 100€ cashback and you should pay me that weekly leaderboards prize too because i wasent exluded leaderboards when i win that prize. You closed My account without any reason because you did not want to pay me anymore that was The reason why you first exluded me from The leaderboards and Then later closed My account. You Have to pay me 200€ at least.
Wait i just saw screenshot and i was 3th in weekly leaderboards and 3th prize is 200€ so you Have to pay me 300€ not 200€. Here is a screenshot that leaderboards prizes. And kryptosino i Have screenshot too how much i had cashback in My account i can send that too here.
Dear Kryptosino Casino,
I have discussed the case with our team and we believe that the player should not receive any winnings from the leaderboards, but if the cashback was won from real money or losses, the player should receive it before the closure of the account. Our standpoint is final and if you fail to pay the player the cashback, the complaint will have to be closed as "unresolved" which might lead to lowering the safety index of your casino on our website.
I hope we can come to a mutual agreement.
I'll be awaiting your reply.