The player from Germany had their winnings cancelled without further explanation. The issue was successfully resolved, the player received his winnings in full.
Hallo Zusammen, diese Email habe ich an den Support des Casino geschickt. Vielleicht könnt ihr mir helfen?
Hi guys,
first of All... I didn't receive any E-Mails of you yet. Because of verification or other topics.
I still waiting since thursday for my withdraw.
All fine - no problem :) there were some holiday and stuff but...
Yesterday I bought 100€ of bonus money with a wagering of x50
I did that with a bet of highest 2euros to be safe.
I luckily won some more money so I could wager the 5000€ (100€ x 50 wagering)
I had 1400.08€ on my account on your Website.
Now I saw that there just 100€ left and I didn't make any mistake while wagering.
Im also still waiting for the first withdraw of 3x400€ because its limited - if not I had also withdraw the 1400.08€.
So please tell me. What happened with 1300.08€ which are not longer on my account for the moment.
And also tell me how could we solve that Problems.
Thank you in advance and I'm looking forward to your answer within 24 hours. Latest!
Kind regards
Dear Marcorkr,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. Have you received any explanation from the casino why your winnings have been cancelled? Do I understand correctly that you have placed a new deposit and redeemed a promotional offer when you had pending withdrawals?
Could you please forward your cashier/deposit and bonus histories to petronela.k@casino.guru?
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Petronela
Hi Petronela,
I have been waiting for withdrawals of 3x € 400 as € 400 is the maximum value per withdrawal. These are still on "pending" on the website ... my account was therefore at 0.00 €
Since I didn't want my winnings, I bought bonus credit of € 100 for the coins on the page. The wager was displayed there with x50.
I implemented that during the course of the day yesterday.
So this morning I had a balance of 1400.08 € in Real Balance.
These 1400.08 € have now been reduced to 100.00 € according to my account. What is with the 1300.08 difference could not be explained to me.
But I'll send you screenshots and chat histories to your email address petronela.k@casino.guru.
I am of course available if you have any questions
Many greetings
Marco
Thank you very much, Marco, for the forwarded emails. Do I understand correctly that you have exchanged loyalty points for €100 bonus money "Since I didn't want my winnings, I bought bonus credit of € 100 for the coins on the page"?
At that time you had 3 pending withdrawals, is that correct?
Hi Petronela,
that is correct.
I had 3 pending withdrawals.
But I didn't want to cancel this.
To play a little further, I bought € 100 bonus money through loyalty points.
I am always available for further questions.
Many greetings
Marco
Hi Petronela,
these winnings were collected with the fourth deposit bonus and these were also properly wagered, I believe 40x.
So that I behaved correctly here too.
I'm still waiting for this payout. However, my bigger problem is removing the € 1300.08 which was also won properly and fairly.
I am looking forward to your answer.
Many greetings
Marco
I understand. I have checked the loyalty bonus terms and conditions, and this is what I found (here):
"Terms & Conditions
1. The bonus is available to all registered users.
2. For each successful deposit at IwildCasino, you receive 5% of the deposit amount in the form of Points to your account.
3. Points can be redeemed for bonuses or free spins in the bonus store.
4. Points are accumulated only when playing with real money. Points cannot be earned through bonus funds."
Furthermore, I have checked general bonus terms and conditions (here):
"1.1. Maximum possible withdrawal amount from no deposit bonuses received in the Bonus Shop: x5 of the amount of bonus or funds received from free spins (depends on the status of the account)."
Do I understand correctly that you have exchanged loyalty points for a €100 bonus?
Hi Petronela,
Thanks for the answer.
That is correct.
I exchanged loyalty points for a € 100 bonus.
In the conditions it was written that this must be implemented 50 times.
I tried that all day. With "up and downs" so that I managed to convert the € 5000 in the evening.
If you look at the screenshots, you can see that the chat support has announced that the maximum amount that can be withdrawn is x25 of the bonus amount. And I am of the opinion that this was still in the conditions until a few days ago. Of course I can't prove that.
I have to honestly tell you, I would be happy with the € 500 (5x € 100 bonus money). Sure, the 1300.08 € would be better. But it seems that the casino can get a little better. (other topic🙂)
I don't understand why (as can be seen in the history screenshot) it was then "Real Balance" and this money was simply taken from my account.
I am of the opinion that I have won 1400.08 and 1300.08 properly and legitimately.
Many greetings
Marco
PS: Update on the other payments. These have now been paid out. 🙂
Could you please advise how many Free Spins you have bought for your loyalty points? I was under impression that you have converted them to €100.
That is correct. I didn't buy any free spins.
I only bought the € 100 bonus money.
Thank you very much, Marcorkr, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Peter (peter.m@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Hi Petronela,
Thank you for your support.
I also hope that there will be a good solution here.
Stay healthy and best regards
Marco
Hi Marcorkr,
I have looked at your case and understand the situation. I will contact the casino and see if I can help. I would like to invite iWildcasino to the conversation to participate in the resolution of this complaint.
Hi Peter,
Thank you for your support.
That would be great.
Hopefully there will be feedback from the casino.
I'm looking forward to your feedback.
Many greetings
Marco
Hello dear Marcorkr and Peter!
As you rightly pointed out, there were holidays, but our KYC service was working as usual and processing all requests in a timely and efficient manner, as usual. As soon as we received all the necessary documents for the Marcorkr player, we carried out the account verification procedure and paid out the winnings in accordance with the terms established in our rules, as mentioned above.
With regards to winning real money from bonus funds in our bonus store for loyalty program points, at the time the player won the amount of 1400.08 euros, our rules stipulated that the cashout amount from bonus funds is UP TO 25x of the bonus amount, and it depends on player status. Please note that the maximum amount of this is calculated individually for each player, and could not be more than x25 of the bonus amount in the rules at that time.
At the time of wagering this bonus and receiving funds in the amount of 1400.08 euros on the real balance, this player had a BASIC account status, on the basis of which our financial department decided to determine the ratio of the size of the real balance from the bonus funds in the amount of x1.
Please also note that since this amount is determined for each player individually, as I mentioned above, this procedure is done manually when processing a player's withdrawal request.
Also, please note that this bonus is not given for a deposit or some other action, but only for loyalty points, in order to give our players an additional chance to try their luck, and, you see, these conditions are very good for a bonus of this type.
We hope we were able to provide comprehensive answers to all your questions.
Please let us know if there is anything else left🙂
Have a wonderful day!
Dear iWildcasino team,
Thank you for your reply. Let me ask you a question. If the rules regarding the bonuses are individual, how does the player know what the actual rules are?
Hi all,
Peter's question is justified.
If I had known that, I would not have tried so hard to implement the x50.
I would make a comparison here in order to remain a customer of your casino, but this way of dealing with customers is really unfair.
Let's find a solution here together.
Suggestion from my side: the bonus money x7 as a profit with the request for payment and thus I would forego the remaining € 700.08.
Maybe we can come to an agreement here, as I would still like to be a customer at your casino.
Many greetings
Marco
Dear Peter,
All rules regarding bonuses are described on our website, in the section https://iwildcasino.com/en/page/bonus-terms
Section 1.1 states - 1.1. Maximum possible withdrawal amount from no deposit bonuses received in the Bonus Shop: x5 of the amount of bonus or funds received from free spins (depends on the status of the account).
At the time of wagering the Marcorkr bonus, the size was x25, but this would not have affected the amount available for withdrawal of this particular player in any way, since he had the very initial status.
Please keep in mind that this bonus does not have specific fixed conditions for each of the statuses, and its amount is determined by our manager at the time of consideration of the withdrawal request. This is done because there is no need to make any financial action in order to receive this bonus, these are essentially free bets that are issued on behalf of our casino to the player so that he can additionally try his luck. These conditions are described in detail on our website and we consider them to be completely fair, including in this particular case.
Dear IWildcasino,
please go into the proposal made before.
I think that my offer to compare is a good solution to continue to be in a good relationship.
It is strange that these 1400.08 € are displayed as "Real Balance" and were then simply withdrawn from me.
As mentioned, I would be satisfied with x7 of the bonus balance as a profit.
Unfortunately, that's not the € 1,400.08 profit, but it would be a fair solution for everyone involved.
Greetings and stay safe.
Marco
Dear Marcorkr,
As we mentioned earlier, the withdrawal amount of real funds from the loyalty program points bonus is determined manually by our specialist when processing a withdrawal request, and individually for each player, so we do not see anything wrong with your balance being deducted during processing this request because:
1. It is technically impossible to do this in any other way, because the size is determined for each player individually;
2. This bonus is not awarded for player deposits, but as a gift from our casino, FREE OF CHARGE, only for loyalty points, and in this particular case, you got the opportunity to withdraw another 100 euros for free, as a gift from our casino, in addition to your winning 1200 euros. And besides, this decision corresponded to your status in our project, which fully complies with the terms of use.
All the rules for using this bonus are listed on our website.
So we think the current outcome is more than fair.
Please let us know if you have any further questions.
Have a lovely evening!
Dear IwildCasino team,
then I would ask you to credit me with an appropriate amount to be paid out to my account.
My level in your casino has increased in the meantime and should continue to do so.
I agree to a payment of EUR 200.00 in order to avoid further problems and to be able to continue to gain positive experiences in your casino.
I think this compromise is more than fair. Please also see the time I invested in implementing the bonus on Sunday.
And if we come to an agreement from UP TO 25x to 2x (from originally 1400.08 €) that's only fair.
Thank you and best regards
Marco
Dear Marcorkr,
I just looked at your account history and I saw that the real €100 you received from wagering your Loyalty Points bonus has already been credited to your account. And the status of your account at that time was basic.
As I mentioned earlier, we consider the current decision more than fair, due to all the reasons that I mentioned earlier, and are not ready to charge you additional funds to your account.
Let me remind you that we have excellent bonuses for deposits on Wednesday and weekends, and cashback on Mondays, which distinguishes our casino from others, and I suggest you use them.
I wish you the most beautiful moments and wild emotions with us!
This is really a very disappointing decision that I still cannot understand.
I think that the rating - also here at Casino Guru - will not be positive on your part due to these practices.
If your opinion does not change - by this I mean that a corresponding compensation as described above is available for payment, the Iwildcasino will probably not be successful.
I hereby ask you to delete or block my account on your homepage.
I don't want to continue playing with such an opaque way.
Regards
Marco
Dear Marcorkr,
We regret of your decision.
However, we respect it and cannot fail to fulfill it.
Please send this request to support@iwildcasino.com as this is the only way to block your account, as stated in our terms of use on the site.
We wish you the most wonderful weekend!
Hi all,
Thank you for your replies.
Dear iWildcasino team,
I wouldn't say that the bonus was completely free of charge, the player made deposits to get the loyalty points. I will discuss the issue internally and will get back to you.
Dear iWildcasino team,
After discussing the issue with our management, we came to the conclusion that the player's winnings should be paid in full. Here's why: At the time of wagering of the bonus, the max cashout of 25x of the bonus amount was displayed in the casino's T&Cs. The player couldn't have known that his winnings would get cut significantly because the rules of the bonus referring to the player's VIP level aren't presented anywhere. So it makes an impression that the rules were applied randomly based on somebody's decision.
Hello Peter,
We do not agree that this is a fair decision, since the rules stated that the withdrawal amount from winnings can vary from x1 to x25 of the bonus amount.
However, we respect your experience and are ready to obey, but we are physically unable to do this, since this player did not wait for your decision on this issue and on January 14, 2022, contacted our support service via email with a request to close his account forever. Our specialist asked again if the player really wants this, to which he again received an affirmative answer. And according to the rules of our license, we closed the account without the right to recover.
Also, according to the requirements of our license, if our client has closed an account without the right to restore, we no longer have the right to interact with him in any way, including giving him the opportunity to open new accounts again.
Dear iwildcasino team,
that I have ordered the deletion is correct. However, I was not asked again by "your specialist", but wrote an e-mail and have not received an answer to this day.
Therefore this statement is not correct.
Dear Marcorkr,
I'll look into this case again, think about how we can solve it, and get back to you.
Hello Iwildcasino,
as can be seen in the screenshot, "closed the account of the player with the right to open"
"Did we understand correctly that you want to take a break? Do you want to cool down a little and change your strategy? An open account does not oblige you to play at all.
You can come back here and have great chances of catching your luck at a convenient time for you. And we are happy to offer you a nice bonus.
Just let us know your decision."
I have not told you my decision on this, so you should continue the account have "the right to open".
I am happy to send you an e-mail that my account should be reopened as you have not received any confirmation from me that it has been completely closed/deleted.
And as previously described. I haven't received an email from you.
UPDATE: I just found both emails in the spam folder.
Only I did not confirm the permanent closure.
Dear Marcorkr and Peter,
I discussed our situation with senior management, and this is what we came up with:
1. The account is now in the "closed" status, but we can open it and charge 1300.08€ to it, according to the decision of CasinoGuru.
2. The player puts this amount for withdrawal, and we withdraw it to him, after which we close the account again.
3. If a player wants to continue playing on our site in the future, he will need to email our support team again about this, after which we will gladly open his account again.
If this decision suits all parties, I ask you to confirm it by replying to this message, and we will begin to implement it.
I agree with that.
Please let me know when I can register to arrange the payment.
Thank you for your kindness.
No problem, Marco)
We will be very grateful if you leave an honest review about us on the review page on CasinoGuru, after the completion of this case.
Let's wait for confirmation from CasinoGuru and we will proceed with the procedure.
Hi all,
Thank you for your replies.
Dear iWildcasino team,
Thank you for reconsidering your decision and for your help with solving the complaint. We appreciate this step towards fair gaming and confirm that the complaint will become resolved as soon as the player receives his winnings.
Dear Marcokr,
Please let me know when you receive your winnings.
Dear Peter,
I'll let you know as soon as it's done.
Thank you for your support and the ultimately good agreement.
I'm just waiting for my account to be open again on iwildcasino.com and then I'll process the withdrawal.
I'll get in touch immediately 🙂
@Iwildcasino: I have already had my account opened by your support.
Please let me know as soon as I can make the payment.
Dear Iwildcasino team,
is there already an update here?
Many greetings
Marco
Hello everyone,
Unfortunately, I haven't heard or read anything for 2 days 🙂 but we will certainly be able to conclude this in a timely manner.
It would be great if we could make the payment by tomorrow Monday, January 24th, 2022.
Many Thanks
Marco
Hello, friends!
Dear @Marcorkr, 1300.08€ have been credited to your account.
Please remember that these funds are not available for play, but only for withdrawal, and if you want to continue playing in our casino, you will first need to withdraw these funds, and then make a new deposit, and play.
Thanks to everyone involved in this conversation for your support and encouragement.
Have a great day!
Dear Iwildcasino,
I have just requested the first 3 withdrawals of €400 each. I would like to deposit money, but I also want to withdraw the remaining €100. Can you please prioritize my case?
Thanks and best regards
Dear Marcorkr,
All payments will be reviewed by our finance department and processed on a first-come, first-served basis.
Your account is fully verified, so it won't take long.
Thank you for the fast feedback.
I will keep everyone involved informed as soon as the payments have been credited to my account so that the case can be successfully closed 🙂
Hi all, Thank you for your replies.
Dear Marcorkr,
I will close the case as soon as you confirm that you received your withdrawals.
Dear Peter and Marcorkr,
We found that the player violated the terms of the compliance decision, which we described above, did not wait for the withdrawal of funds credited to the balance according to the decision of Casino Guru in the amount of 1300.08 euros, made a deposit of 50 euros and continued playing on our website.
Since this violated the terms we agreed upon, we have temporarily suspended the player's account.
I will discuss this case with my management and get back to you with the news.
Have a good day!
Hello dear Iwildcasino,
Unfortunately, there was a misunderstanding here 2 days ago:
Please remember that these funds are not available for playing, only for withdrawal and if you wish to continue playing at our casino you must first withdraw these funds and then make a new deposit and play.
I made a new deposit to play something.
Now my account has been temporarily frozen.
I would like to apologize for the inconvenience caused.
I thought there would be no problems with a new deposit.
Many greetings
Marco
I just re-read our history.
I made a new deposit with no bad intentions as I was sure I shouldn't play with the €1300.08.
So I deposited 2x €50 - fully aware that I was doing the right thing.
That's why I'm still waiting for the last 400€ without having canceled it.
I would like to apologize for the confusion and misunderstanding.
Many greetings
Marco
Dear Peter and Marcorkr,
Despite the violation of the terms of our agreement, we have decided to withdraw the remaining 400 euros and the 100 euros that the player deposited today. The corresponding letter with our decision was sent to the player by email.
We ask the player to report in this thread when the withdrawal will be made.
After the full withdrawal of funds, according to the decision of our administration, the player's account will be permanently blocked without the possibility of reopening.
Have a nice end of the day!
Hi all,
Thank you for your replies.
Dear Marcorkr,
Please wait for the withdrawal and don't make any more deposits. let me know when you receive them.
Dear Peter and Marcorkr,
We are pleased to inform you that the decision of Guru Casino has been implemented.
All payments have been made.
We ask the player to report here about the receipt of the payment.
Hello everyone,
The money arrived. Nevertheless, I believe that I have not violated our agreement.
I just shouldn't play with the €1300.08.
I made new deposits and won with them in accordance with the rules.
Many greetings
Marco
Hi all,
Thank you for your replies.
Dear Marco,
I'm glad to hear that you received your funds. I will now mark the complaint as 'resolved' in our system. Thank you for using the Casino Guru complaint resolution center. Don’t hesitate to contact us if you run into any issues with this or any other casino in the future.
Best regards,
Peter