My concern about Pragmatic Play (page 12)

Hello I just want to say that I finally win some decent amount with pragmatic .. i made at least 6 withdrawl in the last 3 weeks .. (CAD$) 600$650$2000$ 1500$ 1000$ and 1250$ Some good money .. I need to give them credit for this because I made a comment about them on this trend.. but you need to know I play this since a couple of months and I made some little withdrawls only .. it is rigged ? I honestly believe that these games are rigged but they will pay you at some point and I think that some casino site place the RTP very low manually .. you can see a good online casino when they do fast withdrawl and you can see when they are bad too they take a lot of time to proceed your withdrawl and they find all reasons only to keep the money .. they wish that you will cancel the withdral and keep playing with the money be careful where you play find a good one with high RTP and fast payout

From 1000 euro to 100 euro on sweet bonanza by scamatic play. What a puke. Pathetic s*it! 😉

I think I already asked you that. Why do you keep biting on the pragmatic if you then come up with screenshots like this ? Is it necessary for you to lose money or how should I understand it ?

Pragmatic changed their name several times after each scandal. "Pragmatic" is the latter, obviously. The last name change was , because the owner was caught stealing the progressive jackpot. I don't know exactly what the scheme was, nobody knows exactly. What is known is that he sponsored his close friends, one of whom was even his bodyguard. Accordingly, these people begin to cycle until they win the progressive jackpot and then wait for it to accumulate again. It's not some kind of theft or fraud, but it's incorrect. Accordingly, we expect this person to be honest, which is naive…

I have several incidents that prove to me personally (in my eyes) 100% that online gambling is rigged. In some places it certainly does. In what exact scale it is, I have no way of knowing... But the story is long, I can explain if anyone is interested.

Also, that the RTP of Pragmatic slots can be adjusted by the casinos was initially DENIED by Pragmatic. Then they admitted that it was adjusting, but only within a few percent. Atypical behavior for honest people. Obviously...

Hmm, do you have any proof or an article or something that confirms what you say ? I'd be quite interested in that jackpot situation as well. 

As for the RTP, I know that casinos can choose some version, but they certainly can't adjust it how and when they want. That's at least my knowledge in this area. 

What evidence you keep asking for, we are not in court. Do you have proof that the games are fair? Let me answer you in the same way. Who cares to do research, there are videos and articles on the Internet, it's not like I keep them.

What Pragmatic said is that there is an option to adjust the RTP by several percent intervals. About 96% or as much as there is up to min 90%, let's say. I don't remember exactly. Something like that, as I said, I just shared info, I'm not interested in various disputes, evidence is presented in court, not here. And where are yours? How exactly this RTP is manipulated and by whom, I have no way of knowing. Well, you are more familiar. As more familiar, you are probably aware that max RTP to slots is written everywhere. Which is basically cheating... On the casino's part of course. Not from Pragmatic. Not in this case...

I will find something to show. Not now, I don't have time now.. But this "proof", this is just ridiculous, what "proof" do you want!? Show me yours...You start to sound like these scammers. "Show me the proof"...

And this is a scam. He can give money to his friends, to play for the jackpot, this is not a scam, not cool though. But probably he was using his own platform. There are so many casinos, probably one or more of these are his...

So I came across that you said "owner stole a progressive jackpot" if you say something like that, you don't just say it into the air. 

As for the RTP, I agree that if the casino has adjusted it to less from the beginning, then it is not right to show a higher value because that would be cheating for me too. Proof I just wanted to add to what I already wrote in my first sentence, I also said it would be interesting to see. As for RTP, I know it can be as you write and not every casino is honest. So you don't have to be defensive right away, but we can discuss it calmly without you having to call me a scammer. 🙂

Yes, he "stole" the jackpot, but no one can proof that. Even FBI..How they can do that? It's impossible...If FBI can't find a "proof" , how can I do that? Can you find a proof for the opposite?

Those casinos are not at his name. Still they are his casinos. He is not an idiot. He is much clever than you and me for example..

They can ask them "Why this no one, this bodyguard have so much money?", "Show us how you earn those money, you are a criminal". "No, Im not, I have a rich friends, they give it to me, is this against the law? To take money from someone, so ask him." And they "Why you give so much money to this guy? And why he play at your slots" , "I give some money to my friend, he can do whatever he want to do with this money"..And that's it. It's not Russia or something, mate, they can't do sh1t about this scam.

The people started to talk about this and he changed the name to "Pragmatic". And he we are , playing the slots of the owner, who is a scammer. Are they rigged? Who knows..No one knows. But it's more likely they are rigged. Than not..I mean the chances are bigger than a random game provider. He is a criminal. With a criminal mindset..Not like you. You are not a criminal, what's why is so hard for you to believe. But that's the reality, sorry, if you don't like it. No one likes this. They still play those slots, those people, because they don't want to believe as well. They are not sure..No one know for sure.

This is the issue with viewpoints on practically every unfair facet of gambling. Ultimately, the proof is the only thing lacking. I know you are really worried about what you say, but without concrete evidence, words are just words. Maybe you should look for something worthy of your trust; if you generally do not think casinos are reliable and slots are random, this is something worth a try. Don't believe in streamers? Don't follow them.

In any case, that is what I would do.

I agree many things seem shady in this world run by money; I would prefer not to be consumed by the uncertainty, however. Better to leave something I probably can't change.

For instance, I honestly don't believe casinos need to temper with slots; some providers even offer scaled RTP values for the very same games, and if someone wins, I'd say it's easier to find any kind of rule violation in order to void the winnings. But I think this is out of the topic.

I'm not quite familiar with the rest of the post, I'm sorry. I'll leave that aside for now.

I can say a lot about this. And I mean A LOT. But shortly, "most of the games are NOT rigged" . It's impossible for most of them to be rigged. And it's impossible for all them to be fair. However , if there are some rumors for some casino or provider been "rigged", then avoid this. Why not? There are so many providers and houses..What do you lose, if you change the provider? Are they offer something unique? Some unique "experience"? No, they not..So why you play there? What is wrong with you?

Nothing to add, nothing to subtract.

Don't buy bonuses, don't play their slots. This is not a reliable company offering honesty in terms of randomness of algorithms.

Only a class action lawsuit could get rid of this pest once and for all.

The biggest scam, simply. Spent over 50,000 euros in 3 years. Maybe got to the x10 round of Big Bass 5 times and caught the 2000x fish once. So much for not being manipulated? Very manipulated, in fact. If I only play 3 games for 3 years and 99.8% of the free spins (thousands of them) pay out a maximum of 30x the stake, it can only be a scam.

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Do your self the biggest favour you could do your self and stop playing slots completely. As a player for 7 years I can tell you ALL!! Providers are scammers so 🛑 like I'm doing now.

I probably wouldn't last that long playing slots that give you little back. I don't think that's the best solution and I would definitely either stop playing slots or stop trying this provider. If you feel that you are not doing well in the long run, then I don't see the point in spending more and expecting a different result. 😥

So if Pragmatic Play games aren't a scam, I don't know what is. Here are pictures from the last 2 days. If anyone thinks that the winnings with such a high number of free spins were very good, then to be honest I'm doing something wrong. All the free spins are on Big Bass Bonanza Christmas and Halloween. For me, with over 50 free spins at 1, 1.20, 1.50 and 2 euros, that's much too low. Every time, no fisherman comes in round 2. And if one does come, no fish comes. Simply unbelievable!!



Over than 50 bonuses on stake 0.2 euro. 4 profits (no one winnings over than 250x) 10 return and 36 lost of bunus buy. (This night in Nine Casino)

Until the end of this year I will inform you all that these are international criminals who are currently using specialist software based on AI that generates winnings using a pseudo algorithm based on the processed metadata of a given player, looking through the prism of the overall balance of profits/losses with this provider. A few months ago, after publishing a post on caisno guru, where I poured out my bitterness, they decided to run epic algorithms for me, so that I would live in this illusory illusion that you can win with them. They did this just so that I would continue to play their slots. Of course, I lost all my winnings, and now I am losing more deposits with this provider. There will be 18 of them, totaling over 6,000 euros. I don't feel sorry for this money. Eat these virtual numbers in the form of money as much as you can, pragmatic play. And so God will judge you all and you will burn in hell after death. 🙂

They are read this thread. Don't think they aren't. (:

And what if they admit that they are thieves of people's money and souls? This business will always and forever be a lie. Amen.

I don't know if it's appropriate for me to say the same, but if I were you I wouldn't be playing these slots or casinos in general. It's not fun to lose money and if you don't do well it's pointless in my opinion. I know I've commented on your posts before and I don't know what more I could say except that it would be good to take a break.

I always avoid pragmatic play. In my whole years trying casinos and testing providers PRagmatic play has become one of the worse, they have tons of nice effect to keep the player attached to the game but that is all. I believe they follow the same methodology of Aristocrat Games but even more aggressive.