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11 months ago by kirekin
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3 months ago

The money that we have received from the casino, they can ask us to return it, just as we are asking for money for a service that we have not consumed, apart from the fact that they can report us for attempted fraud..

efsfasfasfsfs
3 months ago

I hope that no one is so sick that they make a chargeback from a casino that has still paid out the winnings.

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palma
3 months ago

Well, saying that you havent received any service from them is not true If you have received the deposit into your casino account. They have acted as a payment processor/payment gateway to the casino. That is not illegal per se. So if the casino has received your payment, you have received their (the payment gateways) service. And by saying otherwise to your bank, you are attempting fraud (försök till bedrägeri).


Misclassification of MCC codes are, as I understand it, not illegal either. Yes it is against Mastercard and VISAs policies and terms, and can lead to suspension and fees imposed by VISA/Mastercard to the merchant. It is also in general skechy and if it would be thorougfully invested it often has connection to money laundering (which is illegal). But I doubt misclassification of MCC codes is an actual crime.

3 months ago

Well, saying that you havent received any service from them is not true If you have received the deposit into your casino account. They have acted as a payment processor/payment gateway to the casino. That is not illegal per se. So if the casino has received your payment, you have received their (the payment gateways) service. And by saying otherwise to your bank, you are attempting fraud (försök till bedrägeri).


Misclassification of MCC codes are, as I understand it, not illegal either. Yes it is against Mastercard and VISAs policies and terms, and can lead to suspension and fees imposed by VISA/Mastercard to the merchant. It is also in general skechy and if it would be thorougfully invested it often has connection to money laundering (which is illegal). But I doubt misclassification of MCC codes is an actual crime.

3 months ago

No, but doing so in order to bypass laws prohibiting illegal online gambling is illegal.

BettyBetty
3 months ago

He probably means that he has not bought goods from them. And it's true.

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3 months ago

Well, saying that you havent received any service from them is not true If you have received the deposit into your casino account. They have acted as a payment processor/payment gateway to the casino. That is not illegal per se. So if the casino has received your payment, you have received their (the payment gateways) service. And by saying otherwise to your bank, you are attempting fraud (försök till bedrägeri).


Misclassification of MCC codes are, as I understand it, not illegal either. Yes it is against Mastercard and VISAs policies and terms, and can lead to suspension and fees imposed by VISA/Mastercard to the merchant. It is also in general skechy and if it would be thorougfully invested it often has connection to money laundering (which is illegal). But I doubt misclassification of MCC codes is an actual crime.

3 months ago

Yes, it is illegal to operate as a 3rd party unless the main store's name is connected directly before or after the 3rd party

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3 months ago

So there is nothing there that can excuse what they have done. If that were the case, the merchant code for games would not have been blocked

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Golfforesite
3 months ago

Yes -in the country of jurisdiction. But If the casino is not licensed in that country, it would be very hard to charge them with anything. Especially since 99,9% of all unlicensed casinos T&Cs state that it is the players responsibility to conduct to any local laws and regulations prohibiting gambling.

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3 months ago

no matter how you twist and turn it, it still looks like money laundering through the majority of these companies, maybe not all, but a large part.

Anonymized641
3 months ago

Although that is not what you say when you choose to make a card complaint for the reason that you have not "received any goods/services". What you are saying is that you have not received the product or service you bought. Which unfortunately you have, if you have received the casino deposit.

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BettyBetty
3 months ago

She at the bank said. If not all options are included, you can explain it in a pdf file instead

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3 months ago

Then you don't buy a service "legal services in Africa" but it is a casino deposit. It doesn't go hand in hand hehehe

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huddy
3 months ago

Thank you for that clarification.

I see that you are from UK -can you please explain what "gambling blocks" refers too, formally? In Sweden we are not able to block ourselves via our Banks against gambling transactions, why I wonder if it would be considered the same here. It either isnt illegal to play at unlicensed casinos.

Anonymized641
3 months ago

Can you refer to which law/section they are breaking? That would be great if you are right.

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3 months ago

In the end, at least in my case, I have been given the OK to carry out these transactions.


And what they are trying to do is a fraud because we have received that money from the casino. I am not on one side or the other but I am afraid that the casino will make me return the money that I have received from them just as I ask the merchant to return it to me.

efsfasfasfsfs
3 months ago

Are you afraid ?

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Lucid_1337
3 months ago

I totally agree, and I am certain that 99% of these casinos are connected to all kind of criminal activity and money laundering. But keep in mind that financial criminality is something that all governments with numerous employed lawyers, financial experts etc. battle every day but even for them it is hard to get to these companies. So whatever you and me feel/think we cant just go to the bank and say "hey, these guys are money laundering scum bags and therefor I have the right to get my deposit backs". It doesnt work that way even of it would be fantastic if it would.

palma
3 months ago

I was not contacted, swedbank has.

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efsfasfasfsfs
3 months ago

I'm not a lawyer. And I don't know if you're trying to make me seem retarded when you start asking about paragraphs or stuff🤣 or I'm misunderstanding you. But I'm copying this in for you. This is what I found and


The Payment Services Act (2010:751) regulates how payment services must be performed in Sweden and includes, among other things, rules to ensure that payments are handled correctly and that payment recipients are identified correctly. When it comes to the specific handling of gaming transactions and the use of merchant codes, it is above all rules regarding transparency and correct classification of transactions that are relevant.


**Merchant Codes (MCC, Merchant Category Codes)** are used to identify the type of business a particular transaction belongs to. For gambling companies, there are specific MCC codes that are used to categorize transactions related to gambling and betting.


### Relevant Paragraphs in the Payment Services Act


1. **Transparency and information**:

- According to ch. 3 Section 1 of the Payment Services Act, payment service providers must provide clear and comprehensive information about payment transactions. This includes information about the type of transaction it is and the category it belongs to.


2. **Permitted Use and Regulation**:

- According to ch. 5 § 1 and § 2, payment service providers must ensure that all payments comply with laws and regulations, which includes the correct use of MCC codes to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing.


### Game Transactions and Merchant Codes


Gambling transactions are often classified under specific MCC codes, such as:

- **MCC 7995** – Betting (includes online betting and games).

- **MCC 7800-7802** – Lottery transactions.


### Round Merchant codes


"Rounding" or improperly using merchant codes to hide the true nature of a transaction is illegal and against the rules set by both national law and international financial transaction regulations. This may include breaches of anti-money laundering regulations, misleading credit card issuers, and breaches of consumer protection regulations.



The Payment Services Act (2010:751) regulates how payment services must be performed in Sweden and includes, among other things, rules to ensure that payments are handled correctly and that payment recipients are identified correctly. When it comes to the specific handling of gaming transactions and the use of merchant codes, it is above all rules regarding transparency and correct classification of transactions that are relevant.


**Merchant Codes (MCC, Merchant Category Codes)** are used to identify the type of business a particular transaction belongs to. For gambling companies, there are specific MCC codes that are used to categorize transactions related to gambling and betting.


### Relevant Paragraphs in the Payment Services Act


1. **Transparency and information**:

- According to ch. 3 Section 1 of the Payment Services Act, payment service providers must provide clear and comprehensive information about payment transactions. This includes information about the type of transaction it is and the category it belongs to.


2. **Permitted Use and Regulation**:

- According to ch. 5 § 1 and § 2, payment service providers must ensure that all payments comply with laws and regulations, which includes the correct use of MCC codes to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing.


### Game Transactions and Merchant Codes


Gambling transactions are often classified under specific MCC codes, such as:

- **MCC 7995** – Betting (includes online betting and games).

- **MCC 7800-7802** – Lottery transactions.


### Round Merchant codes


"Rounding" or improperly using merchant codes to hide the true nature of a transaction is illegal and against the rules set by both national law and international financial transaction regulations. This may include breaches of anti-money laundering regulations, misleading credit card issuers, and breaches of consumer protection regulations.


### Authority supervision


In Sweden, it is the Financial Supervisory Authority that monitors and ensures that payment service providers comply with the Payment Services Act and other relevant regulations.


For more specific advice, it is recommended to consult a lawyer who specializes in the Payment Services Act and gaming regulation.

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