10 months ago
then let's see what "soon" means 😉
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10 months ago
our neighboring country poland has been violating eu law for years. apart from a few sanctions, nothing happens and poland continues happily. I see no SOON here. before the decision-makers in these countries don't have to fear serious prison sentences and searches by interpol, they'll continue ad infinitum.
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10 months ago
as I said before... my opinion is the same... it will take many more years... And until then the OCs will earn a lot and until then they will find a new loophole to avoid having to pay... Time is everything for the OCs and unfortunately they get it now...
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10 months ago
It's your own fault. Your lawyers give the casinos the time.
How many more times? You have a legal title that can be collected anywhere in the EU. And that against a company that has stashed billions in different countries around the world. Pokerstars in particular also organizes live poker tournaments again and again and manages a lot of money there and also takes money there. What do you think you can do with a legal title there? Hmm, think about it.
Finally look for lawyers who can really help you. Then you just have to spend a little money for a lawyer who really represents your interests. And it's in your interest to get the money as soon as possible and not to wait for more years, isn't it?
Pokerstars hosts live tournaments in Paris, Barcelona, Monte Carlo, Cyprus, Prague to name just a few places and they're raking in millions of euros.
What would they look like if the bailiff suddenly appeared with law enforcement officials and collected your title? And how quickly do you think they would pay all the other claims if such a case actually happened? They can't afford it a second time for a live event to be disrupted and discredited.
The problem is simply that you have no idea how many options you have with a legal title and you are represented by lawyers who do not educate you and treat you like a number.
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10 months ago
So I assume you got your money back?
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10 months ago
I'm not litigating against Pokrstars, but believe me, I wouldn't wait 3 years with a legal title and let my lawyers put me off again and again.
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10 months ago
I think it's not that easy after all.
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10 months ago
Do you think you overestimate yourself? Numerous litigation financiers and lawyers have been dealing with the topic for years... If it were possible, then they would have done it. It's also a lot of money for them!
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10 months ago
Really? Then why have lawyers already seized European casino accounts? But I just let it be. Believe what you want. You've been at it for years and you don't even know what you can do with a title. I'm off topic. Have fun waiting.
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10 months ago
Thanks
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10 months ago
then you seem to have already got all your losses👌 Congratulations
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10 months ago
"Then why have lawyers already seized European casino accounts?"
prove this statement or stop telling such funny stories.
it's crazy that countless lawyers, lawyers and investors are too stupid to collect their money. only at Malaga does it run like clockwork. He comes to the World Series of Poker with his title and seizes the cash from the table live on TV in front of an audience of millions at the heads-up match and nobody does anything about it.
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10 months ago
It's really getting too stupid for me to deal with people like you who can't read and don't know a bit about the subject.
With a legal title, you can garnish anything that belongs to the company. This includes furniture, cash, jewellery, bank money, etc. Are you seriously telling me that a billion-dollar company that has money lying around all over the world and works with dozens of payment providers, processes millions of dollars in transactions every day, can only, exclusively only be grabbed in Malta?
There's a very simple reason why the lawyers don't do this. They (understandably) want to carry out the seizure in Malta and once they have succeeded, the subsequent seizures don't last nearly as long. As soon as there are successful first judgments in Malta, the other courts in Malta will also refer to them. Especially if there is a judgment from the highest court at some point. Then Pokerstars either pays immediately, without negotiation, or the garnishments can be successfully carried out within a very short time.
But, my point is that you have to serve for it now. You are the first and therefore have to go through the entire instance path, even though it really isn't necessary.
The lawyers know what they are doing and act with the long term in mind. But that doesn't help the individual who would like to have the money now and doesn't want to wait another few years for it. It would also be more expensive for litigation financiers if they looked for other options, since a failed attachment attempt costs money, which is only reimbursed to a small extent. The PF then bears the costs alone.
For this reason, all seizures are collected in one pot and seen as a collective. A successful judgment in Malta has a direct impact on all other cases and the lawyers sometimes have thousands of cases lying around.
But, that's the big picture and doesn't help the individual. And that's why I'm writing to you here, and I mean absolutely well, that you have many more opportunities to get your money and that it's better to put it in the hands of another lawyer who ONLY represents you and not thousands of other players, because the procedure is then much more efficient. If it's a few thousand euros, then wait. But if someone here is holding a €50,000 title against Pokerstars, invest a few thousands in a good lawyer and get the money now instead of waiting for the verdicts in Malta. That's my core message and if you don't understand it, then that's your problem.
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10 months ago
You forget that most of those who have lost money just don't have the finances to do it. That's why you go to the PF and of course they can't go the most expensive way..
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10 months ago
But typically Austrians complain
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10 months ago
That's quite an interesting idea. a good friend is waiting for over 200k against one of the big two...maybe you can email me at oskarwatzi@gmx.at for the right lawyer?
Thanks and LG
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10 months ago
in Germany we call something like you a gossip or chatter. you're talking unrealistic nonsense and, oddly enough, you're the one who doesn't seem to be familiar with the matter in practice. your talk is wishful thinking and has nothing to do with the reality of an execution against mga-casinos. every idiot knows what to do with a title. you don't need a star lawyer for that. and it also makes no sense to get a lawyer who only represents me and has no idea about the matter. and yet the current situation looks completely different. But that wasn't asked at all, so your excesses are out of place.
but to get back to the important question, please give me evidence that mga casinos accounts have already been garnished. can not you? or feel free to bring any other evidence of how successfully you have enforced against casinos. can not you? Or did you happen to hire the lawyer par excellence who miraculously brings the money to you? neither?
and you don't seriously think that after bill 55, a casino would still leave millions in accounts in central europe so that one day someone would confiscate everything...
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10 months ago
Is good. I certainly don't need to be insulted by people like you. What you write about me says more about you than about me anyway.
You are most definitely right that of course the smartest thing of all is to do the garnishments in the very country that even enacts anti-garnishment laws and prohibits the courts from approving the garnishments.
And yes, I know of cases where bank accounts have been seized by casinos within Europe. I have already described in detail above why this is not done in all cases. Learn to read and understand, then you don't have to repeat everything.
´"any idiot knows what to do with a title"
Well, apparently not everyone. Obviously there are idiots who don't know that.
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10 months ago
what insults?? 😀 gossip and chatter is far from being considered an insult 😀 you live up to your name...
I didn't say what to do or what would be wise to do, so don't twist anything here. I was just saying that your talk is wishful thinking.
ok, you "know cases"... which ones are they? against who? How much money? File number? date? and what is the name of your miracle lawyer? get out there with the language, you are so successful and omniscient XD
and no, i still don't believe a word you say. because if the enforcement were so easy and risk-free, then every PKF would bear the costs and every day umpteen times would be seized outside of malta...without the countless test seizures that are currently being worked out. and we would constantly read about successful executions and the casinos would rather pay directly and compare...
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10 months ago
People like you destroy forums. For me, this was really the last post on this topic. I certainly don't bother to write more here and help people so that a clown like you jumps out of the bushes and feels his tiny ego attacked. None of what I wrote was wrong. And I just won't get involved in this childish special school game, that I have to explain anything to you or throw "evidence" around me now so that I can convince you. I don't care what you think or what you believe or think of me. Unfortunately, it is often the case that those with the least intelligence consider themselves the smartest.
You're the typical type of person, "there's nothing you can do about it, that's just the way it is, the lawyers said it's not that easy, etc.". You definitely have a run-of-the-mill job, get up every morning, do what your boss tells you and don’t question anything and then vent your frustration on the internet 🙂. Matches 100% to your character picture.
To everyone else:
Anyone with a title that exceeds a certain amount should urgently consider alternatives.
Have you ever thought about what exactly happens when, years later, the law has been successfully fought and the courts in Malta allow the attachments? What exactly do you pledge when Pokerstars has long since relocated their accounts abroad. A few office chairs? You're all acting like Pokerstars has hoarded a treasure in Malta that can then be accessed. In order to pawn something there, you first have to find something that you can pawn at all.
If the courts allow the garnishments, then for the first time that only means that the bailiff will drop by. And if he returns empty-handed, what then?
Therefore, the chances of pawning in another country are even better than in Malta. You just have to know how to get the information, where they have their money stored etc. and you also have to be a bit creative. Theoretically, you can also have Pokerstars' German website seized, just by the way. Just find a good lawyer who specializes in international attachments and get the current lawyer to come up with the title.
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