The player from Spain is struggling to receive his winning via Bitcoin. We’ve reopened this complaint as per the casino's request. Later, we rejected the complaint because the player didn't respond to our messages and questions.
I have several tests that I consider a clear indication of fraudulent behavior and I hope this serves as a warning to many other users who might be interested in operating with the online betting house CryptoBet. Luckily, in my case I only have 4,50 milibitcoins committed, which from what I have been able to verify, I will no longer see. First, the clearest indication is the two responses of the house when I have raised the problem. These characters that control the page do not realize that when operating with bitcoins everything is registered in the block book and if a transaction of bitcoins is made to a certain account, that movement is registered publicly. And if a certain transaction is not made, then no. Well, I wanted to get 4.5 millibitcoins from my CryptoBet account to my bitcoin wallet. When I am executing the operation on the website of these characters, the message "insufficient funds" mysteriously appears and immediately the balance of my account becomes zero. I assumed that the transaction had begun, but with the passing of the minutes I saw that no transaction had been made and that my 4.5 millibitcoins had vanished. These operations take very little time to perform because they require few confirmations (this is a great advantage of the Bitcoin protocol) and all the movements associated with a particular portfolio can be publicly reviewed on "blockchain.com" (there is no greater sample of transparency, all the opposite of these CryptoBet characters, for calling them somehow). This operation was never performed (that is, it is not in the blockchain book). When I mentioned this to those of the house, in several incidents that I had to open, the response was on the one hand that "the only withdrawal of funds that had been processed was 8 millibitcoins on January 18" (I had actually made that withdrawal ), and another answer was that "I had requested a withdrawal to the bitcoin wallet address: 19rn ..." To this last message I replied telling them that I had actually started that process and that that was my exact address but that I did not know He had completed the operation. And I handed them the blockchain website so they could check it out. Then I ask them where my funds are. I'm still waiting for the answer, almost a month later. And this is already enough evidence that something does not smell good in that house. They are not transparent and they are also unsuspecting (because they do not know the demonstrative power of the Bitcoin Protocol).
But it doesn't end there. Apart from the screenshots that I will spend where you can make accounts of the money that came in and out, and what is missing (which is exactly 4,501 millibitcoins), they take a little money every time a withdrawal of funds is made from the account (and they don't say that anywhere: let's go more fraud). Always, every time a transaction of bitcoins is made there is a commission that the miners take and that data is also registered in blockchain.info. When I withdrew 8 mbtc from my CryptoBet account, the miners charged me a commission of 0.22981 mbtc, but the difference between this commission and the 8 mbtc did not reach my portfolio. There were 0.17019 mbtc missing that went to these characters (and I estimate that this will be happening to anyone who tries to raise funds from their CryptoBet account). There are so many hits, that there is nowhere to catch it. And thankfully, I repeat, that only 4.5 mbtc (4,501 mbtc has been kidnapped for me to be more exact).
Finally, so that you can see that 4,501 mbtc is missing in my account, I describe the movements in my account in milibitcoins that you can contrast with the screenshots: Total income = 12,531 Total withdrawals = 8 Total spending on bets = 16,350 Total Gain on bets = 16,320 FINAL BALANCE TOTAL = 4,501 mbtc (This is the amount that should be in my account but "mysteriously" has vanished).
Finally, there is a detail that is also quite indicative of the lack of transparency and that I believe is closely related to the fraud in question. Many online houses (at least the serious ones) give you proof of the withdrawal of funds from your accounts: this particular house does not. Which gives them room to not have to justify later in cases of claim like mine. So, I justify the income in my CryptoBet account, but I can not send you proof of the outflows of that account, because they do not exist (I can only send you an email from them where they admit that the only processed outbound operation was of 8 mbtc).
Obviously, since that incident I have not returned to work with these people.
Dear Rafael,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint and forwarding all the relevant screenshots. I will contact the casino and ask for their standpoint, but, before I do that, could you please confirm that you have successfully passed the KYC (verification) process in this casino? Have you received a withdrawal in the past?
Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Petronela
Hi Petronela. As I say the CryptoBet do not give proof of withdrawal. This is one of his great business ideas. But the Bitcoin protocol also allows to justify this. I send you an attached image obtained from 'Blockchain.info' that justifies the only withdrawal that was made by my order, of a total of 8 milibitcoins, from one of its bitcoin wallets on January 18. I made that withdrawal following the same mechanism that I used to try to remove the 4.5 milibitcoins that have vanished. As you will see in the image, the miners charged me a commission of 0.00022981 btc and I received 0.0076 btc, so if you take account exactly 0.00017019 is missing they have been left without saying anything and without warning.
You can contact them, but as they respond to you in the same way as me, I don't think you get anything clear. Well, yes you can get something clear, that are unpresentable.
Dear Rafael,
Thank you very much for your quick reply and all the forwarded screenshots. I contacted the casino regarding your issue. Hopefully, we will receive a response soon and sort this case to your satisfaction.
@ CryptoBet Casino, please, could you shed some light on this case? Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Hello again Petronela. Thanks for your efforts. I don't think you fix much because there is little transparency from CryptoBet. But you would be very helpful if you warn other users of the problems involved in betting on CryptoBet.
Thanks again
We would like to ask the CryptoBet Casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’.
Since we haven’t received any response from the casino regarding the issue, we are forced to close the complaint as ‘unresolved’.
The casino can reopen this complaint anytime.
We’ve reopened this complaint as per the casino's request. We would like to give this case one more chance to get resolved and help both involved parties to reach to a satisfactory conclusion.
Hello to the Casino Guru Community!
Thank you Petronela for emailing us and providing the opportunity to respond to these ridiculous allegations.
The complaint is about blockchain fees when performing a withdrawal of winnings. We have heard this a few times from players, but this is the specific complaint here:
"When I withdrew 8 mbtc from my CryptoBet account, the miners charged me a commission of 0.22981 mbtc, but the difference between this commission and the 8 mbtc did not reach my portfolio. There were 0.17019 mbtc missing that went to these characters (and I estimate that this will be happening to anyone who tries to raise funds from their CryptoBet account). "
This complaint is regarding 0.17 mbtc, which is rougly $1 (ONE DOLLAR). This is charged by Coinpayments (not us) when performing a withdrawal transaction. The amount varies, but is usually around this amount. This is in addition to the blockchain fees of about $0.25 in this particular transaction.
WE DO NOT CHARGE WITHDRAWAL FEES
Also, we are happy to pay you $1 out of our pocket, because arguing about $1 is not productive. Therefore, please send us your wallet address.
The further complaint about approximately $25 in "kidnapped" funds, we ask that you explain more clearly as we do not understand? We do not "kidnap" funds and users are able to withdraw more than 4 times that amount AUTOMATICALLY with a single click every single day. Larger amounts are manually processed twice daily.
We are happy to be here and resolve any and all customer service issues.
Thank you,
Kate Allman
Player Support
CryptoBet.com
Thank you very much CryptoBet Casino for your reply.
@Rafael, please could you provide the necessary information? Looking forward to hearing from you.