The player from Germany managed to register and deposit thousands of euros at a casino, while being self-excluded in an associated casino. The player decided to request a chargeback of his deposits and asked us to close the complaint.
The player from Germany managed to register and deposit thousands of euros at a casino, while being self-excluded in an associated casino. The player decided to request a chargeback of his deposits and asked us to close the complaint.
The player from Germany managed to register and deposit thousands of euros at a casino, while being self-excluded in an associated casino. The player decided to request a chargeback of his deposits and asked us to close the complaint.
This casino, or rather the two casinos, Gama and Cat, are in fact the same and operate absolutely negligently. Despite being a self-excluded player, I was able to register at this casino even though the management itself had imposed a ban due to my gambling addiction. In no time at all, thousands of euros ended up in this casino. To make matters worse, during my relapse, I stole a colleague's credit card and used it to deposit funds without any issues in this casino. Naturally, my colleague reported this to the police. I mentioned to the police the name of the casino where I had gambled away the money. The police were and are confident that the casino is obliged to refund the deposits. Hence, I emailed the casino requesting them to primarily refund the deposits made with the stolen credit card. Instead of cooperating, which they should as per their license, the casino made a fool of me. They demanded proof of my long-verified credit card, but did not want to know anything about the stolen one. Since they know they must refund, they are trying to delay the process by keeping my details trapped in a KYC loop. When I asked for contact details, for instance, a phone number which I could provide to the investigating officer, there was no reaction. They know that what I did is also a legal problem for the casino. But if they believe they can drag this out, I will initiate a chargeback on my card and also recommend the police and my colleague to do the same with his card. Because in this case, both parties are entitled to reclaim the money. I have the right because I was proven to be self-excluded and my colleague has the right because I stole his card and access details. If Gama, or rather, Cat Casino believe that they are willing to pay the additional chargeback fees, be my guest. I attempted to resolve this issue amicably. In my former email to Gama, I specifically mentioned my gambling addiction and consequently, the account was closed. As both of these casinos operate under the same management, the excuse that they are different does not hold validity. These two casinos are one and the same, which was clear when the support directed me to Cat Casino for self-exclusion. Honestly, I fail to understand how these casinos can have such a high security index with you. Because, if I can still gamble despite being self-excluded, it has nothing to do with security. And under point 13 of their T&C's, the case of stolen credit cards is clearly outlined, stating that bets must be refunded.
Dieses Casino bzw die beiden Casinos Gama und Cat sind nämlich ein und das selbe handeln absolut fahrlässig, ich konnte mich als gesperrter Spieler in diesem Casino anmelden obwohl das Management selbst eine Sperre für die Casinos wegen Spielsucht veranlasst hat, und so ging es Recht schnell das tausende eure in diesem Casino landeten aber damit nicht genug ich hab in meinem Rückfall die Kreditkarte eines Kollegen gestohlen und damit konnte ich problemlos bei diesem Casino einzahlen jetzt hat der Kollege natürlich Anzeige bei der Polizei erstattet ich habe dort selbstverständlich gesagt in welchem Casino ich die Gelder verspielt habe und die Polizei war und ist sich sicher das dieses Casino verpflichtet ist die Einzahlungen zu erstatten also habe ich das Casino per Mail darum gebeten primär die Einzahlungen die mit der gestohlenen Kreditkarte stattgefunden haben zurück zu buchen aber anstelle das hier das Casino kooperiert was es eigentlich auch laut ihrer Lizenz müsste wird man hier für dumm verkauft es werden Belege gefordert von meiner Kreditkarte die schon lange verifiziert war aber von der gestohlenen wollen sie gar nichts wissen weil sich hier die Herrschaften sicher sind das sie erstatten müssen versucht man die Sache zu verzögern in dem man meine Daten Jahre lang in der kyc schleife hält auf die Nachfrage nach Kontaktdaten sprich Telefonummer die ich dem bearbeiteten Polizisten geben kann gab es gar keine Reaktion man weiss hier das dies was ich getan habe auch für das Casino rechtlich ein Problem ist aber okay wenn die Damen und Herren meinen es so hinaus zu zögern werde ich bei meiner Karte einen chargeback einleiten und werde auch der Polizei und meinem Kollegen empfehlen dies bei seiner auch zu machen denn beide Parteien sind hier im Recht das Geld wieder zu bekommen ich weil ich nachweislich gesperrt war und mein Kollege so oder so weil ich ihm die karte samt Zugangsdaten gestohlen habe wenn Gama bzw Cat Casino meinen das sie die Gebühren auch noch zahlen möchten für den chargeback dann bitte ich habe versucht diese Sache friedlich zu klären ich habe in meiner damaligen Mail an Gamma explizit meine Spielsucht erwähnt und darauf hin wurde das Konto geschlossen da hier beide Casinos das selbe Management haben zählt die Ausrede nicht das es sich um einen anderen Namen handelt diese beiden Casinos sind ein und das selbe das sieht man auch am damaligen Support der mich an das Cat Casino verwiesen hat zwecks eines Selbstausschluss ich kann ganz ehrlich gesagt auch nicht nachvollziehen wie diese Casinos hier bei euch einen so hohen Sicherheitsindex haben können denn wenn ich mich Sperre und ich trotz alledem spielen kann hat das nichts mit Sicherheit zu tun und unter Punkt 13 ihrer AGBs ist genau der Fall mit gestohlenen Kreditkarten beschrieben und auch das die Einsätze damit erstattet werden müssen
Hello Tomas, the title Complaint is actually not correct Cat Casino and Gama Casino are not only connected to each other but one and the same casino management is the same license is the same everything is the same the two casinos are actually 1 casino
Hallo Tomas der Titel Beschwerde ist ja hier eigentlich nicht richtig Cat Casino und Gama Casino sind nicht nur mit einander verbunden sondern ein und das selbe Casino Management ist gleich Lizenz ist gleich alles ist gleich die beiden Casinos sind eigentlich 1 Casino
Dear 2pfkdnyqj4,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m terribly sorry for what you are going through.
First, let me emphasize that we don't deal with issues regarding a third-party deposit. In this matter, we cannot help you. Our recommendation would be for your friend to contact the casino informing them of the situation and request his funds to be returned to him.
Second, Please allow me to ask you a few questions regarding your self-exclusion, so I can better understand the situation.
Do I understand correctly you informed the Gama Casino about your gambling addiction on June 8th, 2023, and subsequently, your account was blocked?
Could you please advise when did you inform Cat Casino about your gambling problems?
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Tomas
Dear 2pfkdnyqj4,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m terribly sorry for what you are going through.
First, let me emphasize that we don't deal with issues regarding a third-party deposit. In this matter, we cannot help you. Our recommendation would be for your friend to contact the casino informing them of the situation and request his funds to be returned to him.
Second, Please allow me to ask you a few questions regarding your self-exclusion, so I can better understand the situation.
Do I understand correctly you informed the Gama Casino about your gambling addiction on June 8th, 2023, and subsequently, your account was blocked?
Could you please advise when did you inform Cat Casino about your gambling problems?
I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Tomas
That's right I informed Gama of my addiction on June 8th and the account was closed as a result, I didn't have to inform Cat Casino in this case as an exclusion from Gama also applies to Cat as these two casinos are not like most others Casinos operating under one name have other managements, here it is one and the same management and also in the email of my self-exclusion from Gama the email address of Cat Casino was mentioned. As I have already emphasized, these two casinos are one and the same and not different emails I've attached it for you again from back then, where you can see that the self-exclusion ran through Cat Casino
Das ist richtig Gama habe ich am 8 Juni über meine sucht informiert, und das Konto wurde daraufhin geschlossen, Cat Casino musste ich in diesem Fall nicht darüber informieren da ein Ausschluss bei Gama auch für Cat gilt da diese beiden Casinos nicht wie bei den meisten anderen unter einem Namen agierenden Casinos andere Managements haben hier ist es ein und das selbe Management und auch in der Mail meines Selbstausschlusses bei Gama wurde die Mail Adresse von Cat Casino genannt diese beiden Casinos sind wie ich bereits betonte ein und das selbe und keine verschiedenen die Mail von damals habe ich dir hier noch einmal angehängt in der du sehen kannst das der Selbstausschluss über das Cat Casino lief
And my friend has already done this he has filed a police report against me I have reported this to Cat Casino and also given Cat Casino the phone number of the police officer who is handling the case
Und mein Freund hat dies bereits getan er hat ja eine Anzeige gegen mich bei der Polizei gemacht ich habe Cat Casino davon berichtet und auch Cat Casino die Telefonnummer des Polizeibeamten gegeben der den Fall bearbeitet
Also, with regard to the fact that I am blocked in the casinos, it doesn't matter which credit card I used - the casino is obliged to refund the deposits punkt
Auch spielt es im Hinblick darauf das ich gesperrt bin in den Casinos keine grosse Rolle welche Kreditkarte ich genutzt habe das Casino ist dazu verpflichtet die Einzahlungen zu erstatten punkt
You can also see from the two screenshots that I'm sending you now that the casino doesn't take responsible gaming seriously, despite the ban I'm still getting emails with promotions that shouldn't be the case either
Du kannst anhand der beiden Screenshots die ich dir jetzt schicke auch sehen das dass Casino das Verantwortungsbewusste Spiel nicht ernst nimmt trotz Sperre bekomme ich nach wie vor E-Mails mit Aktionen das darf auch nicht sein
Thanks for your messages.
Our recommendation is for the person you mentioned in your post to contact the casino directly regarding the funds deposited using their card/payment method.
Regarding your comment, these casinos are related, but they are not the same.
Please understand that casinos licensed in Curacao are not obligated by their license to share self-exclusion.
According to the Gama Casino's terms and conditions:
35.1 For those customers who wish to restrict their gambling, we provide a voluntary self-exclusion policy, which enables You to close Your Account or restrict Your ability to place bets or game on the Website for a minimum period of six months. Once Your Account has been self-excluded You will be unable to reactivate the Account under any circumstances until the expiry of the period chosen under this paragraph. At the expiry of the self-exclusion period You will be entitled to re-commence use of the Services by contacting support@gama.casino.
Unfortunately, there’s not written that all your accounts in other casinos of the same owner or operator will be blocked or self-excluded automatically. Please understand that if you self-exclude yourself from one casino it doesn’t necessarily mean that you are protected on all the other associated websites.
Please send me the email you received from the Gama casino where they confirm your account has been self-excluded please. My email is tomas@casino.guru
Thanks for your messages.
Our recommendation is for the person you mentioned in your post to contact the casino directly regarding the funds deposited using their card/payment method.
Regarding your comment, these casinos are related, but they are not the same.
Please understand that casinos licensed in Curacao are not obligated by their license to share self-exclusion.
According to the Gama Casino's terms and conditions:
35.1 For those customers who wish to restrict their gambling, we provide a voluntary self-exclusion policy, which enables You to close Your Account or restrict Your ability to place bets or game on the Website for a minimum period of six months. Once Your Account has been self-excluded You will be unable to reactivate the Account under any circumstances until the expiry of the period chosen under this paragraph. At the expiry of the self-exclusion period You will be entitled to re-commence use of the Services by contacting support@gama.casino.
Unfortunately, there’s not written that all your accounts in other casinos of the same owner or operator will be blocked or self-excluded automatically. Please understand that if you self-exclude yourself from one casino it doesn’t necessarily mean that you are protected on all the other associated websites.
Please send me the email you received from the Gama casino where they confirm your account has been self-excluded please. My email is tomas@casino.guru
Does this mean that Cat aka Gama Casino will refund deposits? The email just came
Does this mean that Cat aka Gama Casino will refund deposits? The email just came
This Casino Tomas can't be surpassed in terms of audacity. I got an email today from a personal manager that I'm getting a bonus, so honestly you're protecting these scammers too
Dieses Casino Tomas ist an Dreistigkeit einfach nicht zu überbieten ich habe heute eine Mail von einem persönlichen Manager bekommen das ich einen Bonus bekommen also ganz ehrlich ihr schützt diese Betrüger auch noch
Dear user!
Your request is currently being processed. The project administration will process your request in the near future, after which we will notify you by e-mail about the decision. You should not worry, as the request has a priority status and will certainly be resolved.
Best regards, CatCasino team
Dear user!
Your request is currently being processed. The project administration will process your request in the near future, after which we will notify you by e-mail about the decision. You should not worry, as the request has a priority status and will certainly be resolved.
Best regards, CatCasino team
I hope that this is true, dear Cat Casino team, because there are now several users here in the forum who have been lied to by you or Gama Casino stands by your word and you will be respected and taken seriously. Otherwise you will lose face
Ich hoffe das dies der Wahrheit entspricht liebes Cat Casino Team, denn auch hier im Forum gibt es mittlerweile mehrere User die von euch bzw. Gama Casino angelogen wurden steht zu eurem Wort und man wird euch respektieren und ernst nehmen Anders verliert ihr euer Gesicht
Thank both parties for the reply.
Dear CatCasino representative,
Kindly inform us about your decision on the matter.
I'll await your reply.
Thank both parties for the reply.
Dear CatCasino representative,
Kindly inform us about your decision on the matter.
I'll await your reply.
Hello Tomas and hello Catcasino representatives, I would like to point out that I and my colleague from whom I stole the Visa card, if no decision is made today, he will initiate a chargeback at his Visa-issuing bank and I at my own for my deposits from my Mastercard so there shouldn't be a solution until tonight you can close the case here at casino guru because then everything else will go through the chargeback
Hallo Tomas und hallo Catcasino Vertreter ich möchte darauf hinweisen das ich sowie auch mein Kollege dem ich die Visa card gestohlen habe sofern heute keine Entscheidung entsteht einen chargeback einleiten werden er bei seiner Visa ausgebenden Bank und ich bei meiner eigenen für meine Einzahlungen von meiner Mastercard sollte also bis heute Abend keine Lösung da sein könnt ihr den Fall hier bei casino guru schließen denn dann läuft alles weitere über den chargeback
Hello, so I don't think anything will happen here anymore, which is why I will initiate the chargeback tomorrow morning. Catcasino did not contact us with a final statement after the reimbursement was promised, although I have sent at least 10 emails since then. If you have contact with the casino, please give my decision I have an appointment at my bank at 1:00 p.m. and my colleague throws his documents in at his bank tomorrow because his bank is unfortunately closed tomorrow. Here in the screenshot you can see again that the reimbursement was promised but nobody has contacted me since then and the money didn't arrive either
Hallo also ich glaube hier wird nichts mehr passieren weshalb ich morgen früh den chargeback einleiten werde Catcasino hat sich nach Zusage der Erstattung nicht mehr mit einer endgültigen Aussage gemeldet obwohl ich seitdem mindestens 10 Mails gesendet habe solltet ihr Kontakt zu dem Casino haben bitte Gebt meine Entscheidung weiter ich habe um 13:00 Uhr bei meiner Bank einen Termin und mein Kollege wirft seine Unterlagen bei seiner Bank ein Morgen da seine Bank morgen leider zu hat hier im screenshot könnt ihr noch einmal sehen das die Erstattung zugesagt wurde aber keiner hat sich seitdem gemeldet und auch das Geld ist nicht angekommen
Hello Casino Guru Team, you can close the case here now, I will initiate the chargeback at Mastercard because the casino only answers me with reassurances that it will still take time, but I think that 11 days should actually be enough to clarify something like this, I will report to the Russian financial supervision because the owners of Catcasino are Russian nationals, I also found out that the parent company Solvexi LTD is subject to the English financial supervision, so they are a member of the EEA and a chargeback is faster for me than writing 10 e-mails every day and putting me off thank you for your support and have a nice weekend
Hallo Casino Guru Team, ihr könnt den Fall hier nun schließen ich werde den chargeback bei Mastercard einleiten denn das Casino antwortet mir nur Vertröstungen das es noch dauert ich denke aber das 11 Tage eigentlich reichen sollten um so etwas zu klären, ich werde Meldung an die russische finanzaufsicht machen da die Inhaber von Catcasino der russischen Staatsbürgerschaft angehören ebenso habe ich herausgefunden das die Muttergesellschaft Solvexi LTD der Englischen Finanzaufsicht unterliegt somit sind sie Mitglied des EWR und über einen chargeback schneller für mich zu greifen als jeden Tag 10 Mails zu schreiben und mich vertrösten zu lassen, danke für eure Unterstützung in der Sache und ein schönes Wochenende
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