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Evolution Roulette not fair and honest.

1 year ago by paora
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1 year ago

I have a question which applies to all online roulette games but it's Evolution 'Live' Roulette which I usually play. Ever played anything in Evolution Roulette which theoretically wins as many sessions as it loses and yet when you play it there it loses EVERY session. I have played so many strategies which are capable of winning but aren't failsafe and can also have losing sessions but to lose all the time while playing on Evolution Roulette tables is beyond ridiculous and dare I say it, crooked!

1 year ago

I also have strategies which have highs and lows - winning one minute and losing the next. I can watch a game for 300+ spins go through these winning and losing streaks (none of them extreme one way or the other) but I swear that the moment I start playing any of these strategies there comes a rapid and devastating losing run which I am never allowed to recover from.

paora
1 year ago

I just play evolution roulette. I have one that I've been playing constantly for years. Everything is exactly the same. It doesn't matter at all which roulette we play.

At the moment you are playing, the same roulette is being played by thousands of other players around the world. And why would you take roulette only for you?!

The reason is that when a player loses, he always and ALWAYS sees the culprit in the roulette and not in himself.

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1 year ago

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I play this evolution roulette and no other. And it brought me many nice gains. There were also losing games, but the mistakes were mine.

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zorans71
1 year ago

When I win a session, I'll agree with you but at the moment the evidence is all on display in my spreadsheets and there definitely is a rapid change in the game EVERYTIME I start putting money down. It gets even worse when I start increasing my bets. Maybe it's the way I play which attracts attention and your way of playing doesn't.

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paora
1 year ago

Probably because you play for too long, the longer you play, the most likely it is you will give back to the casino everything you have won, have in mind you are always betting -EV, you will always lose in the long run. That's why no matter what betting scheme, staking plan or strategy you are following, you should get your hits and move on, when I play roulette at most I play for about 20 spins, usually covering the zero and 9 numbers to both its left and right, I play it for 5 spins and if I'm winning I move on and if I'm barely breaking even I play a bit more, I usually use 5 to 10% of available balance, which means at max I will lose half of it if the 5 initial spins lose. Rarely I play for more than 30 minutes any game, except for craps. Just get your hits and move on, set a bottomline and a target profit, if you deposit 200 bucks don't expect to withdraw 2000, keep it realistic, don't get too greedy, and if you want to play for a long time just hedge your bets properly to keep you in the table for a long time

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1 year ago

I played this very simple 'strategy' the other day. Betting on repeat dozens which theoretically should win 10 out of 30 spins. So I watched it hover around winning 6 to 14 times for 500 spins. The moment I started betting it dropped to 5 times or even less that a repeat dozen was occuring and that continued for at least 200 spins with it hitting 10 times in 30 spins only very occasionally and very briefly. And I repeat this started happening (like it always does) as soon as I started betting. Playing both repeat dozens AND columns may have been less devastating for me but I wanted to demonstrate a point and just playing the dozens showed it up the way I expected it would.

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paora
1 year ago

For that 30% implied chance to be accurate you will need hundreds of thousands spins, 500, 2000 spins do not represent the actual chance

1 year ago

For that 30% implied chance to be accurate you will need hundreds of thousands spins, 500, 2000 spins do not represent the actual chance

1 year ago

I won't entirely disagree with that but the way it turned so quickly and so brutally on the one of 6 options I chose to play is highly suspect. I should mention my 6 options.

  1. Play repeat dozen
  2. Play repeat column
  3. Play cold dozen
  4. Play cold column
  5. Play inbetween dozen
  6. Play inbetween column

"Inbetween" of course is the dozen or column that hasn't hit last spin or the dozen or column which hasn't taken longest to hit.

The option I chose to play, repeat dozens. was the only one to do really really really badly.

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1 year ago

Probably because you play for too long, the longer you play, the most likely it is you will give back to the casino everything you have won, have in mind you are always betting -EV, you will always lose in the long run. That's why no matter what betting scheme, staking plan or strategy you are following, you should get your hits and move on, when I play roulette at most I play for about 20 spins, usually covering the zero and 9 numbers to both its left and right, I play it for 5 spins and if I'm winning I move on and if I'm barely breaking even I play a bit more, I usually use 5 to 10% of available balance, which means at max I will lose half of it if the 5 initial spins lose. Rarely I play for more than 30 minutes any game, except for craps. Just get your hits and move on, set a bottomline and a target profit, if you deposit 200 bucks don't expect to withdraw 2000, keep it realistic, don't get too greedy, and if you want to play for a long time just hedge your bets properly to keep you in the table for a long time

1 year ago

I'm talking about playing the same number of spins in any session and losing every time. I don't play every spin only when the percentage of wins drops to a certain point and then I play until it recovers - unfortunately that recovery doesn't happen too often (if ever) when I play. It only recovers when I watch.

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1 year ago

I also think the Evolution software targets players who have freshly joined in - putting them in the red at the beginning. Nothing worse than having to recover a loss before you can think about winning. There's no doubt the software is extremely powerful and extremely clever.

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1 year ago

I won't entirely disagree with that but the way it turned so quickly and so brutally on the one of 6 options I chose to play is highly suspect. I should mention my 6 options.

  1. Play repeat dozen
  2. Play repeat column
  3. Play cold dozen
  4. Play cold column
  5. Play inbetween dozen
  6. Play inbetween column

"Inbetween" of course is the dozen or column that hasn't hit last spin or the dozen or column which hasn't taken longest to hit.

The option I chose to play, repeat dozens. was the only one to do really really really badly.

1 year ago

I'm going to play all 6 options next - as soon as I've got my spreadsheet set up to help me keep track of when and which option(s) I should be betting on.

paora
1 year ago

Have you ever tried any other game (baccarat, blackjack)? If roulette isn't working for you, don't stick to it, roulette is a bad RTP game, I would recommend my two favorites instead: baccarat and craps, specially craps. If you feel a game isn't working for you and you are not even enjoying it, don't stick to it

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1 year ago

I also think the Evolution software targets players who have freshly joined in - putting them in the red at the beginning. Nothing worse than having to recover a loss before you can think about winning. There's no doubt the software is extremely powerful and extremely clever.

1 year ago

There are dozens of players in each table, it would be impossible to target one specifically unless he is the biggest active player, the one placing the largest bets, and manipulating the outcome would only be profitable for the provider if the payout for that single player is higher than the overall payout for the rest of the players, but even if this was true, it's not Evo taking the liability, the liability is on the casinos offering their games, so it wouldn't make much sense to do so, I do suspect live gameshows are ridiculously manipulated in every level, but I'm not 100% sure about the table games. Weird stuff does happen on the table games from time to time and I even have video of it, on baccarat: scanned cards being different than the actual ones on the table, dealer stopping for a long time while the betting round is active for no reason and without explanation provided, bets rejected and casually the bet would have been a winning one and more, but all these events can simply be defined as software malfunctions, which coincidentally only benefit the casinos

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1 year ago

Got my spreadsheet setup and only the opportunity for ONE bet so far after 90 spins - a winning one. What I'm waiting for is the win rate for any of my options to fall below 6 in 30 spins which is the thing I endured when I bet repeat dozens in my last LOSING session for 200 spins. lol

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1 year ago

Got my spreadsheet setup and only the opportunity for ONE bet so far after 90 spins - a winning one. What I'm waiting for is the win rate for any of my options to fall below 6 in 30 spins which is the thing I endured when I bet repeat dozens in my last LOSING session for 200 spins. lol

1 year ago

I didn't even take that first win ...wasn't ready. I needed to record a few (90) previous spins in my spreadsheet before anything showed up for me to bet on.

1 year ago

Well so much for that. Just played my newest strategy and got dragged down 20 units in the set number of spins I decided on. In 30 spins after I stopped playing that -20 has been fully recovered by the strategy and is even in credit now. Don't tell me this Evolution software doesn't cheat. lol

PS. I don't even play high stakes which kinda makes it hilarious. I'm a hobby player determined to beat them a little bit sometimes. 🙂


Update: Strategy is now in credit with 9 units up. Of course I'm not a winner because I stopped playing.

Update: Up 17 units now but I have to admit a drop little decrease at times but nothing like the brutal takedown I experienced when I was playing.

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1 year ago

I just play evolution roulette. I have one that I've been playing constantly for years. Everything is exactly the same. It doesn't matter at all which roulette we play.

At the moment you are playing, the same roulette is being played by thousands of other players around the world. And why would you take roulette only for you?!

The reason is that when a player loses, he always and ALWAYS sees the culprit in the roulette and not in himself.

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1 year ago

They only have to target a small percentage of players at any time. As long as they have them playing catchup (in arrears) they can leave those losing players alone and concentrate on making another lot lose.

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1 year ago

Paora...

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look,

1. 1700 players are currently playing on this table.

2. In the last 13 throws, 12 numbers from the big series have fallen.

But this table is used in hundreds of other casinos. The number of players playing every moment is measured by tens of thousands, hundreds!!!

Do you think anyone will really follow you with some intermediate investments?

Of course not. No one is tracked by the software. He is only in charge of choosing random numbers, paying out winnings, etc...

How many players were playing the big streak at the time these 12 numbers fell. A lot, and everyone was winning. Also at that moment many players played a small series, they lost. And of course they will say arranged.

And everything is a matter of probability.

Roulette is a fair game.

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1 year ago

I just play evolution roulette. I have one that I've been playing constantly for years. Everything is exactly the same. It doesn't matter at all which roulette we play.

At the moment you are playing, the same roulette is being played by thousands of other players around the world. And why would you take roulette only for you?!

The reason is that when a player loses, he always and ALWAYS sees the culprit in the roulette and not in himself.

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1 year ago

Had to come back to this. It's 2000 at most at any evolution roulette table - easily controllable.

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