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Cycles Rng shots within id cassino

1 year ago by Olzixx
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1 year ago

I've been playing for a while and I'm doing it

Search and I've seen topics here on the forum about demo mode and real mode.

But I wanted to know if it's true. I've done several tests on the cycles within an ID (your identification number within the casino), so each one has its own history and RNG cycles (random nunber generation), but what I noticed is the RNG triggers. which are retention (game takes away from you) average (gives you back the same value) distribution (pays you more value) are the same for relaxation and real mode

What changes and why one plays with real money and another doesn't

So knowing this, if you play demo mode inside the casino

Take the slot, start the game and play until you get the bonus and win

After going to real mode you start to lose and because after a bonus (prize) there is a chance of a retenção (a return of the prize) that's why we lose

If the firing cycle of rng are the same

If we enter the demo inside the casino and the cycle is in a retention cycle (low prizes or no winnings), then you enter real mode, it's still bad

That's why many casinos don't offer demo mode in their slots.


If you are present, test and post your experiences here and provide more information on the subject if it is true for you.

here in all tests it has been proven true that even this

Clearly we have cycles that change all the time

And providers that work with different cycles

Yet that seems to be the case to me.

Not to mention that the providers run RNG cycles 24 times a day, which change according to each ID and winnings from each slot played. If you win a lot on that slot, you may have to return it.

more for her more


Demo help you see what cycle the slot is in?


post your experiences


And what do you think about the RNG cycles in the demo and real mode being the same?


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Olzixx
1 year ago

Hi, quite an interesting view and observation I would say. But if you want to know or see more on this topic, I'm adding a thread here, where players also talk about games in the demo version: https://casino.guru/forum/general-gambling-discussion/games-on-demo

I also thought this slot guide might be useful for this topic: https://casino.guru/how-slot-machines-work-math , so I'll post it here as well.

Anyway, I hope you will start a debate with players and exchange your opinions and experiences. It can be quite beneficial.  

1 year ago

It's depending which service provider you are playing. Some service provider is sharing the rng together especially those slots having share lucky draw or progressive jackpot. You can see that the history or trace record on your bet is jumping sequence. No matter you play turbo or slow spin. The trace will distribute to the person they want. Some trace record are keep in *revive* reservation, when you loss really bad and this revive trace ID will inject to your account and you will hit the revive spin to hit bonus or mini jackpot and so on. Honestly speaking its not random. There are some player try to read the betting history to see whether the current map is retention map or reviving map. Back to your point, I think the volatility of demo is different than real money. Demo is hard to play as their start to play for fun amount is too big. But playing real game, let say you deposit 1000 and when you play till left 100 and your account will triggered reviving mode, this is why sometime you will hit bonus on the last 1 or 2 hands easily. I call it reviving or teasing feature. Same thing sometime when you just deposited money and play few hand and already hit bonus but the result always no good payout. I believe they are capturing your money deposit and your wagering turnover. So demo is actually to let you see the payout trend but you can't copy the move from demo to real money. You will easily loss badly.

ChanMIB
1 year ago

Thank you for your light and another point in my study, thank you for your knowledge and helping me more and more in my studies about the RNG shots from each provider, I will delve deeper into this specific point in the revival that I didn't know about, I will study more and post soon more information here in the topic

About the rng shots in the demo that often seem to me like they share information and change the game in real mode thanks for the answers

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Olzixx
1 year ago

Exploring RNG shots in demos versus real gameplay does raise some intriguing points. Keep digging—I'm curious to see what you uncover in your further research.

1 year ago

You can't dig too much info when you're playing demo, because you can't get the record. You can find your record in real time playing but don't do it. You cant find much on RNG, but when you play real money. The slot variance or your win/loss variance is actually very close to RTP, hit frequent will higher when you just start playing. Example domination 1 cent and $1 per spin, you will easily get a comeback when you loss more than $100, once you comeback with maybe win $200, then your slot will become very tight after all, you will easily loss $500. and you will hard to come back anymore until you change domination to 5cent or $2 per spin, your slot will become very loose again and easily to win. This is casino trick and want you to bet bigger and bigger. When revival mode triggered, the coming spin after the revival is horrible, you can get a lot dead spins. This is why the RNG is not random. We can't beat them, the RTP is around 95% and to beat or get jackpot chances is very less. Unless you cheating.

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1 year ago

The slot RNG is design to make you feel like the slot has hope, when you just start to play, the RTP may be 200%, most of the new account will easily win money. Once you win enough and addicted, they will put your account in a different server with RTP is 95%, they can easily move your account to different server by saying your rebate package.

ChanMIB
1 year ago

It sounds like you've got some insights into how the gaming system might work! There's definitely a lot of speculation about RNG and slot variance. It's fascinating to consider these patterns, but it's crucial to remember that casinos are designed to have an edge. While some strategies might seem to work temporarily, in the long run, the odds are stacked in favor of the house. Staying mindful of responsible gaming and enjoying the experience is key!

1 year ago

What Chanb said is correct about the moto shots and history and the way the slot works the rtp, it's worth remembering that less fair providers and more fair providers are different types of rpt programming and we are looking for slots that are fairer and that we can better understand how it works to reduce losses

And it's only really like Chanmib understanding the casino strategy and the RTP of demo and real mode and where this can help us understand slots more and as Jasmine said the house always has the advantage in the long term but knowing this we have to have a better positioning to break down the line of gambling a little

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1 year ago

The slot RNG is design to make you feel like the slot has hope, when you just start to play, the RTP may be 200%, most of the new account will easily win money. Once you win enough and addicted, they will put your account in a different server with RTP is 95%, they can easily move your account to different server by saying your rebate package.

1 year ago

I don't agree with this. I worked in an online casino for more than 4 years and we've never done this to players. Why? Because it wasn't really necessary. There will always come sessions when you're luckier and keep winning, but that's just temporary. Just in case you wouldn't be lucky at the beginning, you usually get the welcome bonuses that allow you to play longer in order to keep playing until you hit the luckier period.

That's basically it. Then players claim that when they finally started winning, someone started watching them in the casino and made them lose. That's not how it works. Every lucky period is simply followed by an unlucky one since you can't be lucky forever.

Olzixx
1 year ago

I'd say the most important part is to be aware of the RTP of any game you play. When the casino doesn't display the RTP, it's a red flag. There are providers that legally allow casinos to adjust the RTP so players need to be aware of it as well and check the RTPs regularly. Especially when you find a casino that decreased the RTP on a certain game, it's highly probable they did it on many other games as well.

1 year ago


In fact, the demo games within the casino follow the same RTP as the Wolf Gold casino game, if you have 95.00% in the real game in the demo it will also be there and you will notice that the volatility is the same, this helps a lot to determine how the game is inside the casino

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Olzixx
1 year ago

Checking the RTP in advance is a smart step! Another good option is to adjust your betting style to the aforementioned volatility.

👍

Daniel
11 months ago

I'm very sure that any online casino can complain to service provider. The service provider will do something. When players win too much or loss too much, the server will go to maintenance very soon. What they will do is to adjust something, they can just simply shutdown the servers for days. After that, the game will become extremely hard to play. until the next maintenance again. I personally don't think RTP is accurate what if a player who start with $1000 with $10 per spin loss all, and next player who bet in $1 per spin and won $95 and both players average rtp add up will become 95%. and casino still win $905. in math, the rtp is still 95%. I believe all the casino has individual threhold for every players. example: when player deposit 100, and he played and will very easy to win to in maybe the first 50 spons and hit bonus and pay $600 or even $1000. start to let player enjoy the game. when player deposit 1000 and start to loss till left 100, the machine will become loose and easily hit "come back" feature, during this stage you may easily hit bonus and maybe you can easily win back like $200 or $300, the machine will know you will continue to play because they know you also lose too much and they just want to keeping letting you to play. So....RTP is just a number, when you lose a lot and bet smaller you will easily win, the RTP will maybe make it become back 95%. This is from my experience. my 50k losing experience. No matter which game you go, the RTP account is link with you. It's won't say if I just won't a big jackpot on game A, you change to game B will start fresh again, I don't think so, I was winning like 70k on Gate of Olympus bonus buy, my account was force logout. when I re login and played other games, all the games are really bad, I waited for days and play others games, the result still same until I loss all back. Then only the machine back to normal. This is from my experience.

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11 months ago

Chanb, have you noticed anything about rng cycles in 10 rounds 50 rounds and 100 rounds of 150 rounds and 200 so on, which are different according to the slot and the provider

With each bet there are cycles that are repeated and change into cycles that pay, cycles that return and cycles that take away your bankroll


I'm testing cycles of 10 rounds

And it has worked in some games

Slots always change the game by 10 spins and it is to find out the average bonus for each game by actually

The game and winnings are not random

And the game has a schedule to follow more

The generator determines random winnings

More cycles and who slot will do per cycle totally sure according to your id and gains and losses


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11 months ago

Hmm... it's actually depend on your wallet size and the speed of your wallet velocity and your turnover or they call ot wages Example you have $1000, you spin at $5 per spin for 10 auto spin with normal speed. if your wages is low or new account, you hardly hit bonus and the RNG is return mode. For pragmatic it's work like this. But for hacksaw or nolimicity, you can hit big just in few low value spin like maybe $2 or $4 spin. You can hit bonus and bonus is good. But after all if you continue play and you hardly to go into bonus. For pragmatic, they got revivie mode meaning when you left $100 left and suddenly you spin $5 per spin, you will RNG will become very easy to hit scatter to tease you. and if you lucky you will hit bonus when you still got around $50 left and you will hit big. Usually I played nolimitcity, I put 250 auto spin with turbo mode and easily hit bonus. If I spin 10 auto mode normal spin, 50 auto spin it's hard to get into bonus. For pragmatic, the auto spin is 50, and I always go for normal spin first. after loss all, I tried to wait a while until the system update my history, I done another 50 spin with turbo mode, it's easy to get into bonus. But overall I would say is, when you loss very bad, you can wait a while and played turbo mode in 50 spins. you will easily hit bonus. It's not applicable for those bonanza, megaway, gate of olympus and starlight.

for me, 50 spin is the best. I ever try every game just played 10 spins, I ever get 4 bonus out of 15 games. But still losing money in the end. Guess what, these 4 bonuses payout is bad. I tried many rounds until proven. It's impossible you just win big in first few spins. You need to lose a lot only the big bonus will come. So this is why, this is not random.

ChanMIB
11 months ago

Thanks for your experience, I'll test some of the things you said.

Thank you for your attention for answering a few things

What you said about the automatic spin and the normal spins, even in the pragmatic one, I'm going to test it to improve my game and put more experience here

Thank you, bro

But I'll study here, thanks for helping, I believe that this way we'll get further, I realized that


pragmatic really cycles of 50 and 50 in several bets rounds in the turbo generate bonuses with high prizes while we do cycles of 10 in 10 changing bets Open bonus does not pay even in the same turbo


and it really seems like the game gives you back what you bet plus the RTP of the return exampleb

Like you bet 100 with an RTP of 95% and the 95 is the 95% RTP of the 100 bet

Gives a prize of 195 counting the 95% of the RTP, this base prize, even knowing that there is randomness in the prize, remains at this average



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11 months ago

I'm very sure that any online casino can complain to service provider. The service provider will do something. When players win too much or loss too much, the server will go to maintenance very soon. What they will do is to adjust something, they can just simply shutdown the servers for days. After that, the game will become extremely hard to play. until the next maintenance again. I personally don't think RTP is accurate what if a player who start with $1000 with $10 per spin loss all, and next player who bet in $1 per spin and won $95 and both players average rtp add up will become 95%. and casino still win $905. in math, the rtp is still 95%. I believe all the casino has individual threhold for every players. example: when player deposit 100, and he played and will very easy to win to in maybe the first 50 spons and hit bonus and pay $600 or even $1000. start to let player enjoy the game. when player deposit 1000 and start to loss till left 100, the machine will become loose and easily hit "come back" feature, during this stage you may easily hit bonus and maybe you can easily win back like $200 or $300, the machine will know you will continue to play because they know you also lose too much and they just want to keeping letting you to play. So....RTP is just a number, when you lose a lot and bet smaller you will easily win, the RTP will maybe make it become back 95%. This is from my experience. my 50k losing experience. No matter which game you go, the RTP account is link with you. It's won't say if I just won't a big jackpot on game A, you change to game B will start fresh again, I don't think so, I was winning like 70k on Gate of Olympus bonus buy, my account was force logout. when I re login and played other games, all the games are really bad, I waited for days and play others games, the result still same until I loss all back. Then only the machine back to normal. This is from my experience.

11 months ago

If you are truly convinced about this, I bet you should stop playing at online casinos. Casinos are not monitoring each game session and surely do not notify their game provider when someone hits the winning session to lower other chances for the win. 🤷‍♀️

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11 months ago

Hmm... it's actually depend on your wallet size and the speed of your wallet velocity and your turnover or they call ot wages Example you have $1000, you spin at $5 per spin for 10 auto spin with normal speed. if your wages is low or new account, you hardly hit bonus and the RNG is return mode. For pragmatic it's work like this. But for hacksaw or nolimicity, you can hit big just in few low value spin like maybe $2 or $4 spin. You can hit bonus and bonus is good. But after all if you continue play and you hardly to go into bonus. For pragmatic, they got revivie mode meaning when you left $100 left and suddenly you spin $5 per spin, you will RNG will become very easy to hit scatter to tease you. and if you lucky you will hit bonus when you still got around $50 left and you will hit big. Usually I played nolimitcity, I put 250 auto spin with turbo mode and easily hit bonus. If I spin 10 auto mode normal spin, 50 auto spin it's hard to get into bonus. For pragmatic, the auto spin is 50, and I always go for normal spin first. after loss all, I tried to wait a while until the system update my history, I done another 50 spin with turbo mode, it's easy to get into bonus. But overall I would say is, when you loss very bad, you can wait a while and played turbo mode in 50 spins. you will easily hit bonus. It's not applicable for those bonanza, megaway, gate of olympus and starlight.

for me, 50 spin is the best. I ever try every game just played 10 spins, I ever get 4 bonus out of 15 games. But still losing money in the end. Guess what, these 4 bonuses payout is bad. I tried many rounds until proven. It's impossible you just win big in first few spins. You need to lose a lot only the big bonus will come. So this is why, this is not random.

11 months ago

What you described sounds more associated with certain games, but surely not for each game provider in general. What about the slot's RTP and volatility? No consideration? It does not feel right to me.

Consider this post, if you don't mind.


Radka
11 months ago

Yes, that's right, each slot provider has different ways of RTP and RNG and different payment and distribution cycles

But studying each one takes time and money, even more so because there are many different providers and slots with different mechanics, such as drop cash, roulette and others.

But I managed to study the best ones and it is a help for most players, as in the posts Assima sees the huge difference in play cycles from one provider to another because each one uses a different programming and different mathematical calculations

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