The player from Greece has won 100 euros after a 40 euro deposit but is facing difficulties withdrawing the funds due to repeated requests for the same verification documents, which have already been submitted.
I deposited 40 euros and won a total of 100. I have sent all the documents for account verification so that I can make a withdrawal. However, they keep emailing me, asking for the same documents that I have already sent them.
Hello coolies,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint and I'm really sorry to hear about your issue with Bm.bet Casino. Please allow me to ask you a few more question before we would move forward.
Could you please advise since when exactly is the verification process ongoing? Which documents have been already approved and which ones not? When was the last time you spoke to the casino and what was it about?
Please note that the verification process may take up to 14 days after sending in all the requested documents.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
Nick
the procedure started from 9/08/2024.
THEY DO NOT KNOW WHICH DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED THEY ASK ME EVERY TIME FOR THE SAME DOCUMENTS I HAVE SENT THEM.
THE LAST TIME I SPOKE WAS TODAY.
CALL THEM HERE TO FIX IT THROUGH YOU.
Hello coolies,
As mentioned above, verification takes up to 14 days. Please forward all the documents they request and let us know after 2 weeks if there's been any update.
THEY DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE MY ACCOUNT I HAVE SENT ALL THE DOCUMENTS THEY ASKED FOR AND THEY SAY EXCUSES
Thank you coolies for all the information provided. I will now forward your complaint to my colleague Branislav (branislav.b@casino.guru) who will be assisting you from now on.
Wish you best luck resolving it.
Regards,
Nick
Hello, coolies,
I am sorry to hear about your trouble and apologize for the delay. I will contact the casino and try my best to resolve the issue as soon as possible.
Now I would like to invite the casino representative to join this conversation and participate in resolving this complaint.
Dear Bm.bet Casino team,
Could you please explain the player's situation in more detail? Can you check the provided documents and provide him with detailed instructions on what needs to be done on his side to complete the KYC/verification and/or withdraw his winnings?
Dear Branislav,
We would like to note that we accepted the player's identity and deposit documents that were suitable for the verification process. The player still has to confirm his address and bank statement, where we can see all the data needed for verification.
These documents must not contain photoshop, unfortunately we had to reject some documents due to the presence of document editing.
We also want to point that all verification for this player were processed according to our general rules about that process. And we are ready to help the player through this procedure.
Following clause 5.1 of our T&Cs player must provide us with all information that we may request in order to manage player's account, verify player's identity or the source of the funds deposited to player's account. This includes (but is not limited to) properly certified ID, proof of residence, proof of ownership and transaction histories of the payment methods used for the period of up to 12 (twelve) months, including bank or credit/debit card statements etc.
Feel free to ask us about any clarifications about this case.
I HAVE SENT YOU AN ELECTRICITY BILL AND BANK STATEMENT TO VERIFY THE BANK ACCOUNT AND DELETED MY TRANSACTIONS FROM THE BANK STATEMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ABOUT YOU.
Dear coolies,
Thank you for your cooperation.
You can upload your second document in pdf in your profile, so it won't be cropped. After that, our financial department will check your documents again for your verification. First photo can't be accepted since it was edited.
Feel free to ask us about any clarifications about this case.
WHY DO YOU WANT TO SEE MY TRANSACTIONS??????????????????????????????
Dear coolies,
Thank you for your response.
You can upload your second document, that you've sent here, in pdf in your profile, so it won't be cropped. After that, our department will review it. This document is necessary for full account verification.
Feel free to ask us about any clarifications about this case.
Dear coolies,
Thank you for your response.
As we can see, your account has been successfully verified after uploading all documents. We hope you will get your winnings to your balance as soon as possible, withdrawal will be made according to our rules.
We appreciate your cooperation, if you have any questions you can always contact our support team for any clarification.
Greetings all,
Thank you both for your replies and updates.
Dear coolies,
Can you provide us with an update?
At this point, I sincerely believe it should only be a matter of time before the payment comes to you (if it has not yet).
I will keep this complaint open pending your confirmation of a successful withdrawal or an update.
Is there anything else we can help you with or I can consider the matter closed after a successful withdrawal?
MR BRANISLAV THEY ARE SCAMMERS THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE ME THE MONEY
Dear coolies,
As mentioned above, your account should have been successfully verified after uploading all documents.
If your withdrawal was cancelled, did you request a new one? If yes, what is the status of it? If not, why, and can you do it?
Can you see your balance or a pending withdrawal in your account? It would be great if you could provide us with a more detailed clarification on what is happening now on your account. We would definitely need more details and explanation.
To be honest, I see nothing relevant in your last 2 posts.
THEY TOLD ME ON SUPPORT CHAT THAT EVERYTHING IS OK BUT THE MONEY HAS NOT BEEN DEPOSITED YET
Dear coolies,
Where did you expect the money to be deposited? Do you mean your payment method or do you mean your casino account balance?
Where are the disputed funds now, please? Is there any pending withdrawal, or, was there any withdrawal which was denied and those funds were returned back to your balance? Can you request a withdrawal or inform us what is the status of an existing withdrawal request if there is any?
If you did not request a withdrawal, and your funds are still in your balance on the casino account, it is understandable that no one will process a withdrawal if there is no withdrawal request.
I have requested a withdrawal and I am waiting for them to be credited
Alright, coolies. Thank you for the update.
At this point, I really sincerely believe it should only be a matter of time before the payment comes to you.
I will keep the complaint open pending your confirmation of a successful withdrawal or another update.
Looking forward to hearing good news from you soon. Please note it usually takes some time until the withdrawal is completely processed.
Dear coolies,
You set up the disputed amount of the complaint to €100. In your casino account transaction history, it looks like there is one €100 pending withdrawal and a €40 completed withdrawal, which is €140 together.
What is your current balance on your casino account? What does the disputed amount of €100 represent? Is it only the amount of the pending withdrawal from August? Where did another €40 come from?
You deposited €40 and played. Did you reach the balance of €100 or €140? Then, what happened with the accumulated winnings? Can you explain it in more detail? Then we can ask the casino about an update.
Thank you.
THE AMOUNT THAT HAS BEEN FINALIZED IS 40 EUROS AND IT HAS NOT BEEN INTO MY BANK ACCOUNT
Dear Bm.bet Casino team,
Can you please provide us with an update on the player's casino account? What is happening there?
What is the status of his KYC, what is his balance, what/how much was successfully paid out to what payment method, and what happened with the remaining balance? Is there a pending withdrawal, or was any withdrawal denied so funds should be returned to his account balance? Or, what is going on there, please?
Dear Branislav,
We would like to note that player's account was successfully verified when he sent some new documents. After that, we accepted player's withdrawal of 40 EUR, and we completed it from our side, and send to his bank account that he enter.
Now, player don't have any funds to withdraw, since we've already paid the previous one.
Feel free to ask us about any clarifications about this case.
The 40 euros have not been credited to my bank account. Send us the transaction receipt.
MR BRANISLAV ASK THEM TO SEND US THE TRANSACTION PROOF FOR THE 40 EUROS THEY SAY THEY COMPLETED
It does not work like that at all, coolies. And I am sorry for the delay.
Dear Bm.bet Casino team,
Thank you for your response and the update.
What needs to be done on the user's side or what should he provide to the casino so it can start an investigation of allegedly an unsuccessful withdrawal?
Do I understand correctly that there were €100, but the user decreased his balance and requested a withdrawal of €40, while there was/is nothing else on his account balance anymore?
Dear Branislav,
We would like to clarify this situation: a player tried to withdraw his winnings in the amount of 100 euros, after which his withdrawal was canceled because his account was not verified. Unfortunately, the documents immediately provided by the player were not suitable for verification, so we had to ask the player to provide new documents. As soon as we were able to verify the player's account, he was able to create a new withdrawal, which was successfully sent to him using the details he provided, unfortunately, during the verification process, the player's balance dropped to 40 euros, so the withdrawal of 40 euros was sent to the player.
If you do not understand something, we will be happy to help you clarify it!
Kind regards,
Bm.bet Casino
TO SEND US THE BANK TRANSACTION RECEIPT,
WHY ARE YOU TIRED OF IT MR BRANISLAV??????
AND YOU DON'T ASK FOR WHAT YOU SHOULD??????
It does not work like that, coolies. Commonly, casinos first need evidence from players, confirming they have not received the payment. Only then casinos start an investigation on their side.
Dear Bm.bet Casino,
Great! Thank you for the explanation. It is finally clear at least regarding the disputed amount - I updated it accordingly, to €40.
Can you please look at the first part/question from my previous post?
"What needs to be done on the user's side or what should he provide to the casino so it can start an investigation of allegedly an unsuccessful withdrawal?"
The user claims that the payment has not reached his account. If I understand it correctly, he requested a withdrawal to a bank account. Can you please answer my question and provide us with the information on what would you need from the player to start an investigation on your side? If you need a transaction history from his bank account, can you also confirm at least the last 4 numbers of his bank account number used for the withdrawal?
Thank you.
Dear Branislav,
I hope this message finds you well.
We would like to confirm that we processed the withdrawal on our end on September 17th. In light of this, we kindly request the player to provide the transaction history from that date.
Additionally, we have asked the player to complete all necessary information regarding his bank details for his withdrawal. We currently possess the IBAN provided by the player that he'd provided us, please let us know if this is sufficient for our case or if additional information is needed.
Additionally, we would appreciate guidance on where to send the user’s 4 number of his bank account information used for this withdrawal, as you asked.
Thank you for your assistance.
Alright, I understand. Let's first ask the user for the bank statement/transaction history. Then we will see, according to the document and information provided by the user, if it is necessary at all.
Dear coolies,
Can you please provide us and the casino with the required document from your bank account used for the withdrawal in question, for the mentioned period?
Feel free to share the original bank statement/transaction history with the casino via email, replying to their last email. You can add me to the copy of your email (branislav.b@casino.guru).
Thank you. Looking forward to hearing from you via email with the requested document.
WHICH DOCUMENT? AFTER THEY DID NOT DEPOSIT MY MONEY.
I HAVE TOLD YOU FOR SO LONG TO ASK THEM FOR PROOF THAT THEY DEPOSITED THE AMOUNT.
THE WAY YOU WORK IS TO EXPOSE MY PERSONAL DOCUMENTS TO STRANGERS WHO I THINK ARE SCAMMERS
Dear coolies,
Without providing the casino with the requested document, the investigation on their part is not possible - that is how it works.
The casino representative confirmed that the withdrawal was processed on their side, which means the funds left the casino's payment method. If we need the casino to investigate further, they need the requested document.
Therefore, please read the last casino's post and my last post, and provide the requested document in accordance with the casino's requirements.
Feel free to inform us after you send the document to the casino, with me in a copy of your email.
Please note if you fail to cooperate, the complaint will be closed/rejected.
Thank you for understanding,
Dear coolies,
Thank you for being with us.
We apologize for any misunderstandings that may have occurred. For a better understanding of the situation, please provide us with your account statement from 10.09 to 29.09. We are very grateful for your patience and understanding.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes,
Bm.bet Casino
Dear coolies,
Thank you for sharing it!
After checking the confirmation we requested, we have verified that you have indeed not received your withdrawal, for which we would like to apologize very much. Could you please provide us with the details of your other bank so that we can manually withdraw your funds.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this has caused.
Thank you for your time.
Kind regards,
Bm.bet Casino
Thank you both for your replies and updates.
Dear Bm.bet Casino,
Can you please specify what exact payment method details you need to process a manual withdrawal?
Thank you.
Dear coolies,
Thank you for being with us.
We ask you to provide us with your bank details from other bank that you use:
Name and Surname:
Bank name:
IBAN Account:
SWIFT Code:
Bank address:
We will try to make a withdrawal again from our side.
Thank you for your time and hope for your cooperation.
Kind regards,
Bm.bet Casino
Dear coolies,
Thank you for your cooperation.
We've sent that withdrawal on your new bank details that you've shared with us here. Please, check your bank account and notify us if you get your funds.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes,
Bm.bet Casino
Dear coolies,
Thank you for being with us.
We ask you to check your bank account tomorrow also, it can take some time, so your funds will be on your account.
We look forward to hearing from you soon.
Best wishes,
Bm.bet Casino
Thank you both for your replies and updates.
Dear coolies,
I believe it is only a matter of time before the payment comes to your payment method.
I am setting the timer for you until the end of next week, waiting for your confirmation of a successful withdrawal or an update.
Please let us know when the payment reaches your account, and we can close the case.
Thank you. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Dear coolies,
Please let us know when the payment reaches your account, and we can close the case.
Thank you.
Dear coolies,
Thank you for being with us.
We've transferred your withdrawal to your new bank details that you've shared with us earlier in that chat. If you haven't received any funds on that account, we ask you to provide us with your account statement from 13.11.2024 to 20.11.2024, we will be very grateful for your patience and understanding in that situation.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes,
Bm.bet Casino
WHAT WILL HAPPEN, BRANISLAV, CAN'T YOU SEE THAT THEY ARE SCAMMERS
Dear coolies,
Can you please provide the casino with the requested bank account statement for the period in question, according to their instructions in the casino representative's last post, but from your payment method they used for a new manual withdrawal?
It was explained earlier, how it works. The casino needs to see the evidence from you that the payment have not reached your payment method.
Please note your cooperation is necessary, and if you fail to cooperate and provide the casino with the requested document, I will be forced to think about complaint closure/rejection.
Please inform us once you send the requested document to the casino.
Thank you. Looking forward to hearing from you.
HOWEVER, I DID THIS BEFORE WITH THE PREVIOUS ACCOUNT THEY ASKED ME TO
Thank you, coolies.
Dear Bm.bet Casino,
Is the user's bank statement as a screenshot of the transaction history from the bank account in question enough to confirm he has not received the payment?
If yes, can you please provide us with suggestions on how to resolve the situation? If not, can you please be more specific what else would you need from the player to prove he has not received the manual withdrawal?
Thank you.
Dear coolies,
Thank you for being with us and for your cooperation.
Can you ask your bank to check that receipt? Since we haven't received any funds back after making a new withdrawal.
We're hope for your understanding and cooperation, we are always here to help you in this situation.
We also look forward to hearing from you soon about that case.
Best wishes,
Bm.bet Casino
Dear coolies,
Can you please generate a normal bank statement (PDF, complete transaction history) from your bank account ending *8153 (used for the manual withdrawal) for November 2024 and forward it to the casino?
Feel free to let us know when it is done.
Thank you.
IT DOESN'T GIVE ME A BANK STATEMENT BECAUSE NO TRANSACTION HAS BEEN MADE
NEXT I CAN'T
Dear coolies,
You should be able to generate a bank statement even if there were no transactions for the period in question.
So, can you please provide the casino with a new bank statement as they requested or provide us directly here with a screenshot or a detailed explanation of how it is not possible to generate such a statement?
Then, we can ask the casino how to proceed further.
Thank you. Looking forward to hearing from you.
because you don't ask them to give us the proof of bank transaction they made
Besides, I have already given you a bank statement from the previous transaction they made.
Look, they cost me 40 euros.
I want to speak to your supervisor.
why the way you operate constantly exposes me.
The situation around providing proof of payment was already explained earlier in this thread. You saw that after you provided the correct bank statement confirming the deposit in question was not credited to your payment method, they started the investigation, found out what happened, and proceeded with a manual withdrawal. Now they need the same, but from the account you provided for the manual withdrawal.
Feel free to contact my supervisor via email (petronela.k@casino.guru).
We are talking about a common process here. To start a thorough investigation, the casino needs to be sure that the transaction was not successful, and it is possible by providing the requested bank statement.
So, can you please read my previous post again and answer my question and/or provide the requested? We cannot move anywhere without your cooperation.
Thank you for understanding.
EVERYTHING YOU DESCRIBED TO US WAS TOLD NOT PROVED TO US.
THEN ASK FOR THE PROOF OF TRANSACTION FOR BOTH CASES
TO SEE IF THEY TELL US THE TRUTH.
Dear Bm.bet Casino Team,
I am sorry for the delay.
Approximately 1 month has passed since the manual withdrawal should have been made.
Can you please check it on your side and inform us about an update, whether the transaction was successful or not, or whether it was bounced back to the casino's payment method in the meantime?
Then, if the transaction was successful, can you provide the player with the transaction details so he can discuss it with his payment method provider with all the necessary details the bank could need to identify/investigate the transaction on their side?
In addition, if the transaction history from the player's last screenshot is not enough to confirm the payment was unsuccessful, please let us know what exactly the casino would need from the player to investigate the matter on its side.
Thank you.
Dear coolies & Branislav,
We sincerely apologize for any delays that may have occurred in the course of this case.
After checking the manual withdrawal that we sent to the player's details about a month ago, we saw that the funds were not canceled and were sent successfully, in which case we may better ask the player to contact his bank and clarify this transaction, as it may be suspended on the side of his bank and is awaiting confirmation from them.
We also attach a confirmation of the successful transaction from our side for your convenience. Please do not hesitate to contact us if we have missed anything, we will be happy to share any information we can.
Thank you for your time and patience!
Kind regards,
Bm.bet Casino
THE "BANK RECEIPT" DOES NOT STATE THE IBAN OF THE ACCOUNT TO WHICH THE MONEY WAS SENT, NOR THE DATE, NOR THE TRANSFER NUMBER.
Dear coolies,
Thank you for your response!
We kindly ask you to contact your bank to inquire about this transaction, if they cannot find it attached to your account, you can provide them with the transaction number that is on the screenshot we provided, this should be sufficient.
If there is anything else you need from us, we will be happy to help you, don't hesitate to contact us.
Best wishes,
Bm.bet Casino
I CONTACTED THE BANK AND THEY TOLD ME THAT I NEED TO GIVE ME MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE TRANSACTION,
THE NAMES AND IBANS FROM WHERE AND TO WHERE YOU SENT THE MONEY, that is
INSTALLER ACCOUNT AND BENEFICIARY ACCOUNT (IBANS)
THE NAME OF YOUR BANK,
AS WELL AS THE TRANSFER NUMBER.
THEY TOLD ME THE USER TRANSACTION ID YOU SENT DOESN'T EXIST.
I CONTACTED THE BANK AND THEY TOLD ME THAT NO MONEY HAS BEEN DEPOSITED. IN ACTUALLY THEY SENT ME A COPY WITH ALL THE TRANSACTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THIS ACCOUNT.
Thank you both for your replies and updates.
Dear Bm.bet Casino Team,
Any suggestions on how to proceed and/or solve the situation?
Please note I set up the timer for a shorter period only due to the following holidays/bank holidays. If there is no response until it expires, it will be automatically extended by another 7 days, as usual.
Thank you.
PLEASE SEND US THE BANK RECEIPT SO I CAN FORWARD IT TO MY BANK.
THEY CAN ALSO CONTACT MY BANK.
ALPHA BANK
PHONE +302103260000
https://www.alpha.gr/en/retail/support-center/communication/Case
IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY ARE LIES. THE 40 EUROS I'M ASKING FOR ARE NOT MONEY I WON. IT'S MONEY I DEPOSITED IN THEIR CASINO. SO I'M ASKING THEM TO RETURN MY OWN MONEY AND THEY'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR 4 MONTHS AND THEY'RE LIES. THEY MUST BE VERY HUNGRY.
Dear Branislav,
I hope this message finds you well.
We can provide you with a bank statement from our side where all the details will be visible, please tell me where we could send this file for your personal check without third parties since this information is hidden?
We look forward to hearing from you soon.
Best regards,
Bm.bet Casino
SINCE YOU HAVE MY EMAIL WHERE I REGISTERED, WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME?
BUT I'M TELL YOU AGAIN IF YOU HAD SENT ME THE MONEY I WOULDN'T BE HERE,
I EXPLAINED YOU AND I TOOK MY BANK
WHAT ELSE CAN I DO? I ALSO UPLOADED THE EVIDENCE.
IF THAT'S HOW YOU SAY IT, HAVE YOU ASKED YOUR BANK?
I ALSO CONTACTED YOUR LIVE CHAT AND EVA IS ACTING LIKE SHE KNOWS NOTHING.
SINCE YOU HAVE WRITTEN ALL THE DETAILS ABOVE, WHAT PERSONAL INFORMATION DOES THE ABOVE HAVE?
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HAS HAPPENED TO ME, IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME AGAIN
MY BANK TOLD ME NO DEPOSIT HAS BEEN MADE.
Hello coolies,
We would like to update you that due to Branislav, your designated resolver, being on vacation, we have opted to extend the timeline by an additional 7 days. Since Branislav has an in-depth understanding of your situation and maintains direct communication with the casino, we find this extension justified. Your patience is sincerely appreciated, and I assure you that Branislav will contact you at the earliest opportunity.
Thank you for your understanding and ongoing patience.
Best regards, Casino Guru
Greetings all,
I am sorry for the delay.
Dear coolies,
The casino representative's post was addressed to me, not to you. In the meantime, can you please share with me the original PDF bank statement from the bank account in question, not as a screenshot? Alternatively, can you share with me the communication between you and your bank regarding the transaction in question, with all the transaction details from the casino (that the casino representative shared with us above) and your bank's confirmation visible in the communication?
Feel free to forward it to my email (branislav.b@casino.guru).
Dear Bm.bet Casino,
Thank you for your response. Please use the same email to provide the document (branislav.b@casino.guru). If possible, feel free to share also a confirmation from your payment provider/processor that the payment was not returned or credited back to the casino's payment method.
Please let us know once the document is sent.
Thank you.