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Pragmatic Play only rip off

1 year ago by heinzwittlin
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heinzwittlin
1 year ago

Hello,

I'm sure it is not targeted πŸ™‚, and you also mentioned that you've actually won a round several times. Sounds ok to me. Players usually complain about dead spins.

Every game with RTP lower than 100% means that mathematically you'll lose the longer you play.

Now I'm wondering how many times have you managed to win per spin.

But, fair enough - not a Pragmatic fan 😎, thank you for sharing with us.

heinzwittlin
1 year ago

Hello,

many players do not like certain providers because they think that this particular provider intentionally lowers their chances of winnings. Sime actually allows the casinos to pick up preferred variants of provided RTP sets, the same game can have different RTP in a different casino.

I played in the casino, so I have the idea πŸ™‚ - furthermore, I also care about all aspects such as a provable theory about how slots work.

But I will not intend to lecture you here, just allow me to mention that RTP is not about free spins, it's about the mathematical probability of winnings - or better losing:

"If a game RTP is 96%, it means that if you start with $1,000,000,000 and then play 1,000,000,000 rounds at $1 each, then you should end up with approximately $960,000,000 dollars."

Anyway, I would also consider the game's volatility:

"high volatility games as you can win higher amounts, so you can have the same thrill with lower stakes. And lower stakes mean that you’ll statistically lose less. This effect can easily compensate for a slightly lower RTP."

I encourage you to read this article - no pressure though.

Thank you for the input and stay well.

Now while I'm thinking about it, have you ever tried to provide your statistics to the game provider?

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Anonymized405
1 year ago

Can you share any screenshots from such a Baccarat session? Preferably the one showing the blank cards, if I may ask.

Anonymized405
1 year ago

I was asking because you mentioned it first, so I assumed you can show it. I thought you actually visited some studio, so you are now so well informed. πŸ™‚

I have not heard such a thing yet. And I have never been to any studio.

Anonymized405
1 year ago

Still those 11 bets? Do yourself a favor, and deal with it. Martingale is a scam strategy πŸ™‚

Anonymized405
1 year ago

I'd like to get involved into this conversation, because I remember some of your user reviews as well. You admitted here that you believe the scammers are the providers, not the casinos themselves. Despite that, I know you gave the worst possible rating to 7 casinos just because of that.

Anyway, if you think you found a place where your strategy (Martingale) works, you'll be unpleasantly surprised now or later since you'll reach the point when the strategy will fail as many times before. It's just a matter of time. Save your money or play to have fun, because this strategy isn't a way to make money.

Anonymized405
1 year ago

This is unpredictable, and the result can only be displayed in the long term. In hand with that, once you win in the casino, you should change the odds (game, casino).

I believe you said using the "blank cards" is a scam practice, that the providers use graphics to alter the cards.

If you believe in this, don't play such a game, I'd say.

Anonymized405
1 year ago

No no no - it wasn't said due to suspicion πŸ™‚. It's just a mathematics prooving the strategy isn't get you any further.

Now I understand it was kind of a misunderstanding - well, it happensπŸ™

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1 year ago

Pragmatic Play is the only provider where you buy bonuses for hours and hours and does not pay anything. More you buy less it pays. If you have a small chance of getting paid is only in the first 3 bonuses you buy , you can continue afterwards for hours and the game is just shit.It follows and ugly pattern where it does not pay anything for days at times . I am not joking , they are the real scammers , i hope they all go to hell especially the one who writes their scripts. Fuck them

1 year ago

pp live is worse than pp slots

probably nobody plays now so if u play u only lose

avoid

1 year ago

I've had my best wins on Pragmatic games, lately I haven't won that much on other providers.

1 year ago

in general, not the worst option, I can even recommend them judging by my experience

Slotski1
1 year ago

Do you care to name the games here? I may add the standard RTP listed in the Free Games section. Others might be interested enough. πŸ™‚

Nountylegrel
1 year ago

In your opinion, what seems to be the best option?

8 months ago

As a high-volume player with significant wagers (close to 2 million euros), I've grown concerned about the fairness of a specific Pragmatic Play game: Buffalo King. Despite extensive play (thousands of rounds, hundreds of bonus buys) over a significant period, I've never experienced a win exceeding 200x my bet. Additionally, the free game feature frequently results in zero payouts.


This lack of transparency and potential inconsistencies with the game's advertised RTP (Return to Player) raise serious questions. Are there any regulatory authorities that can investigate such concerns?


I have documented evidence videos screenshots and logs; and resources to pursue legal action, including a potential class-action lawsuit. If other players have experienced similar issues with Buffalo King or other Pragmatic Play games, I encourage you to come forward, feel free to reach me using my username in that G platform for mails, to file a class action agains them.


This isn't about winning or losing, it's about ensuring fair play and upholding industry standards for transparency.



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ludecw
8 months ago

Hello, I'm sorry that you've obviously spent quite a bit of time on this and found rather negative results. I think whenever a player has that feeling and can't win, I would stop playing.

Regarding where you can take your findings, I would probably check with the licensing authority of the casino you played at, or the game provider itself. 

If you do that, feel free to let me know the result when you have it. 

Which casino did you play this game in ? πŸ€”

ludecw
8 months ago

May I ask, if you have come across this issue with this game at more casinos, or just some specific one? The best thing to do, is to reach to the casinos support or straight to the game provider, which could help solving that. To pursue a legal action, as you have said, you'll need to find a lawyer and go for it, if you have a strong feeling about it. Hopefully there will be someone, in this thread, to write an opinion, or even some more information about this concern. We'll be here to read something more about it.

ludecw
7 months ago

If you take legal action against pp it cost you lot of money. You can raise this to the casino first port of call.

Most game providers are register with gambling regulator's and their also adrs too

You must follow the correct procedure complaints procedure from the casino . If you made complaints procedure with game providers you must not take legal action against them you must follow adr first this is a law and regulator's guidance

1 month ago

The game is total garbage or there is total manipulation between the provider and the betting house, specifically "betplay Colombia". I have been playing it daily for 3 months with an investment of 20 million local currency and analyzing the game history we found a return of less than 40% which is a total fraud.... this little game is not recommended at all, not even as fun and much less as a search for profit.

It is understood that the business is to raise money but they are already shameless in doing so regardless of who they take down.



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cristhhianblanco22
1 month ago

Hi, are you talking about a pragmatic provider in general or about a specific game. I would say that if you didn't do well then you shouldn't spend more money on these slots because it's meaningless.

Pragmatic games are mostly high volatility games and that means you can have quite a lot of dead spins but when you hit a win it can be quite high. However, this may not always be the case and this is the pitfall of gambling. 

That's why whenever a player comes to me with something like this, I always recommend not to play rather than to make such a "statistic".

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