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voizua92
9 months ago

Yes, I'm also talking about the repayments. They probably let it go where there would actually be little loss in terms of potential players, I think. You're right, there are almost no comparisons here anymore. The casinos will not avoid paying anything back, at the latest, with the ECJ's ruling, their house of cards will collapse. The European enforcement order can then be enforced without further Maltese courts, even the bag seizure, lol. The ECJ judgments are clear and concise and therefore this Maltese law is contrary to EU law because this law goes against ECJ judgments

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voizua92
9 months ago

Exactly.

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abelinglaekamp
9 months ago

Yes it should be like that .

is explained here https://youtu.be/d5AnpDOw0rI?si=q1ZMwzhUEf8F6mbG


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9 months ago

But I don't understand something (maybe I'm stupid 😉)

Why bother (on the provider side) to hire a lawyer and continue with the lawsuit if they already know that they won't pay any money? Wouldn't it be easier not to respond to the lawsuit at all? Any default judgment would be "toilet paper" for the casinos anyway, just like a normal judgment. So time and money spent for nothing, as the end result would always be the same: "we just don’t pay".

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abelinglaekamp
9 months ago

Yes I agree. The only question is when the money will finally flow.

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9 months ago

Have you ever had a case where the opposing lawyers resigned? The casino is now without a lawyer, is that a bad sign for me? Will they now ignore the positive verdict?

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tim0832
9 months ago

Hi Tim! So that's new to me. I would have to ask my lawyer at CLLB. So if you think badly, you might think that the casino can no longer pay, so the lawyer is running away. But I do not believe that. These casinos rarely go bankrupt.

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9 months ago

Thanks for the fast respond! Maybe I also thought that the casino might want to save more costs because it's hopeless for them and they'll pay soon... but that's just my wishful thinking

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tim0832
9 months ago

Good morning. I had that too. Casino didn't pay. Nothing has happened for almost two years.


which casino did you sue?

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9 months ago

New video about the procedures in Malta is online https://youtu.be/wszSe8_8mUQ?si=gvhbF05JKCW9mui0


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voizua92
9 months ago

Thank you. I had already seen it yesterday. But as I said, this probably only affects players from Austria so far. So far I don't know of any proceedings in Germany that have the same difficulties in Malta as the Austrian proceedings.

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9 months ago

I see the information from G+L Rechtsanwälte very positively, things should continue both in Malta and on Curacao.

I have losses at a casino of 17,500 at Alfcasino (Rabidi NV, the largest provider on Curacao) and my litigation financier hasn't sent more than a letter of demand to the casino but hasn't even received a response.


Does anyone here in the forum have any experience with loot box lawsuits (in my case FIFA) in Austria?

Our trial started last week and Sony and EA traveled with 4 lawyers from Vienna (230 km away)

But my lawyer sees a good chance of success.

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Stefan123450
9 months ago

I can only report here from Germany, where several courts have already ruled against casinos from Curaçao. Among other things, the LG Hamburg. Since Curaçao is not part of the EU, but is part of the Netherlands Antilles, i.e. it is Dutch territory, there are probably some guidelines regarding EU law, etc. So, you can be quite relaxed about that, I think. And there is no new law intervening, like in Malta, which is contrary to the Union. The Eau will open infringement proceedings against Malta, I am 1000% SURE of that.


https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/gericht-verkomment-online-casino-araxio-development-nv-aus-curacao-zur-rueckzahl-aller-spiellosen-201506.html

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9 months ago

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jurcznatalia
9 months ago

39493??

9 months ago

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9 months ago

Has anyone actually had any experience with interwebs at the moment? Do they pay out of court or are they just as difficult?

LG

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voizua92
9 months ago

Oh yeah, there's enough visual material in Germany. If you ask a lawyer nicely, i.e. write out of court, they just say, nice letter and laugh their heads off. Meanwhile, the big law firms hardly write any out-of-court letters anymore, unless the customer wants to sink an additional 2500 euros 😂. Only the club helps with them

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9 months ago

First of all: Happy New Year!

Since my last posts I have been able to read a lot here: fears - rightly so! - from those who already have "legal titles" (judgments, etc.), as well as - in isolated cases, far too little in my opinion - confidence , because In Malta the courts do not comply with the "enforcement requests of foreign, but EU titles .

Every judge - in Austria, in Germany or anywhere else in the world - is obliged to follow the law (!), he is not allowed to bend it (!), which means: Do not decide otherwise (!) at least if it is in any form "independent judiciary" exists! This is definitely present in Malta, which is manifested in the "traffic jam" of execution proceedings!

The judge who processes a "European enforcement application" in Malta will - as in Austria or Germany or in any other constitutional state - want/have to look at the "Supreme Judicial -Maltese- Decisions" (!).

Then someone calls this judge in Malta and says to him: "Dear xx, if your career is important to you, please give yourself some time, you can do that without any legal disadvantage for yourself. Why? - comes the question-: It will be There will be a law according to which the execution(s) requested here is(are) not legal. If you have made a hasty - please understand me correctly (!) - wrong decision, this could be unfavorable for your future career prospects !

Now this judge is in a dilemma! If he grants the enforcement request - according to "European law he has to", but it turns out posthumously that Maltese law was legal, he would not have been allowed (!).

In addition: https://www.lto.de/recht/feuilleton/f/malta-rechtsstaat-montesquieu-gesetze-landschaft-gluecksspiel-korruption-verfassung/

Please take another look at my post from December 5th, 2023, anyone who doesn't understand this is really hard to help!

One thing is clear: the ECJ and the EU will show the limits to this corrupt system; But that will take time, and then some of those involved will (be able to) enjoy their "retirement" somewhere in the world.

All of you who give up beforehand will come away empty-handed, all of you who "fight" will win!

The most important lesson from all this: 1. Never give up(!) 2. Never give up(!) 3. ???

And the clear realization: "Whoever fights can lose, whoever doesn't fight has already lost!"

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Kreuzritter
9 months ago

Hello!

I've already noticed that you are very objective and know your stuff very well.


I've been waiting for my money for more than 2 years but I have no influence on the final result. Hopefully the PF will see this matter through to the end. However, no one can say when that will be. Unfortunately. Lg


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