10 months ago
Hi,
I wanted to ask if it worked THIS YEAR
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Execution Pokerstars. Apparently, payment is not voluntary (page 45)
10 months ago
I just found this from August, but maybe someone would be interested.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/973702/c2ee95b877ecfe6820064ff67d04ef07/EU-6-038-23-pdf- data.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwix-abtnpeDAxVnVPEDHR8GAhwQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3vMl_RgB2pypt5iz4OHdWX
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9 months ago
Have you heard about it yet?
European decision on the provisional attachment of accounts
https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_european_account_preservation_order-379-de.do
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9 months ago
I think I read somewhere that as long as there is no imminent danger or no concealment can be proven, this can hardly be implemented.
But I would like to be proven wrong...
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10 months ago
So for me it took exactly 6 months from 2 providers, Bayton Ltd and 888, from the filing of the lawsuit to the repayment.
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9 months ago
Hello!! I also won a lawsuit against Bayton. The provider now has one month to file an appeal. How did it go for you please? Did they pay after the verdict without any problems or did you get the money after a settlement? There aren't that many cases with Bayton and I'm excited to see what comes out of it. Thank you!!
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9 months ago
Good Morning! Back then I was one of the first, when the whole thing was still more or less at the beginning and no one was really sure. My court, the LG Bremen, had already announced in a decision that Bayton had no chance and that we should come to an agreement. I wanted to end it quickly because it was all very stressful for me at the time and I was still willing to make comparisons. My lawyer also said that everything was done right, also because of my psychology at the time, but in retrospect I regret that I didn't go through with it completely. But they paid me 65%, plus legal fees, very quickly too.
Of course they can appeal, but I wouldn't worry about that anymore, the drop is gone, i.e. the casinos will no longer win a single case here, in any instance. The EU Court of Justice, where they are hoping for it, will also tell them clearly that their law in Malta is contrary to Union law.
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9 months ago
Good Morning! Back then I was one of the first, when the whole thing was still more or less at the beginning and no one was really sure. My court, the LG Bremen, had already announced in a decision that Bayton had no chance and that we should come to an agreement. I wanted to end it quickly because it was all very stressful for me at the time and I was still willing to make comparisons. My lawyer also said that everything was done right, also because of my psychology at the time, but in retrospect I regret that I didn't go through with it completely. But they paid me 65%, plus legal fees, very quickly too.
Of course they can appeal, but I wouldn't worry about that anymore, the drop is gone, i.e. the casinos will no longer win a single case here, in any instance. The EU Court of Justice, where they are hoping for it, will also tell them clearly that their law in Malta is contrary to Union law.
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9 months ago
Good morning. Many thanks for your response.
For me it's about €100,000 and they only offered 25% at the oral hearing, which of course my lawyer didn't accept. I just hope that they don't appeal and just pay...... Let's see.
Kind regards from Cologne 😉
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9 months ago
If you look at all the judgments, every appeal has been rejected, before every OLG so far. The BGH has only now announced groundbreaking judgments for players as resolutions. Let them appeal. You can't give in to offers from them now, even if it puts me under such financial pressure. You get your rights in full. The Cologne Higher Regional Court has already been very clear about this. It would be different if you had sued a ZDL. You would have failed anywhere. The BGH has also made it clear that ZDL cannot be prosecuted, and all lower instances have also denied this.
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9 months ago
You can be glad you took this step. This year I agreed to a settlement with a casino for 70% including a lawyer etc. This operator went bankrupt this year and from what I read, there was 5% for all those injured. In the worst case scenario, you may even leave empty-handed. On the other hand, I have won cases and still not seen any money.
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9 months ago
You can be glad you took this step. This year I agreed to a settlement with a casino for 70% including a lawyer etc. This operator went bankrupt this year and from what I read, there was 5% for all those injured. In the worst case scenario, you may even leave empty-handed. On the other hand, I have won cases and still not seen any money.
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9 months ago
Hi.
Does dad mean you accepted 70% and still haven't received the money? And the provider has now gone bankrupt?😳
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9 months ago
Shit, I'm sorry. But it's very, very rare that someone goes bankrupt. Most of the time a successor casino is opened etc. But you can find out quickly. With 888 back then, the operator was transferred to another operator, etc. But the lawyers quickly found out. This means that the parent company is always liable. So before the big ones really go bankrupt, Germany is more likely to go bankrupt. But for me, as I said, it was at the beginning where the legal situation did not seem clear, even though everything had already been clarified back then, both by the ECJ in 2009 and by the BVG in 2017. The civil courts took a little longer.
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9 months ago
If you look at all the judgments, every appeal has been rejected, before every OLG so far. The BGH has only now announced groundbreaking judgments for players as resolutions. Let them appeal. You can't give in to offers from them now, even if it puts me under such financial pressure. You get your rights in full. The Cologne Higher Regional Court has already been very clear about this. It would be different if you had sued a ZDL. You would have failed anywhere. The BGH has also made it clear that ZDL cannot be prosecuted, and all lower instances have also denied this.
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9 months ago
Hi
I know that the OLG has recently spoken out in favor of the players. I'm just afraid that because of an appeal the whole thing will take forever and I'll end up stuck with my money anyway because either the provider simply won't pay despite the judgment or I can't have my title enforced in Malta 😔
I definitely want to be positive. Bayton ltd is a reputable provider and has casinos all over Europe…Betway, for example, is theirs and is now fully licensed in Germany.
LG
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9 months ago
Actually, you can only really have hope again when the current execution proceedings are finally completed and the first players have received their money. Only then does it get interesting...
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9 months ago
No, these are different cases. Fortunately, I accepted the settlement because the operator filed for bankruptcy six months later and those who waited and were too greedy came away almost empty-handed. I think 70% is a fair offer.
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9 months ago
For Austria, I agree with you completely. Things certainly look a little different in Germany, because those who now acquire a license here are particularly under observation by the supervisory authority, as they will check more closely whether those who now have a license are also meeting their obligations from the judgments. Because the German market is still probably the largest in Europe. You don't want to give it up so easily. Especially since there are already casinos with licenses that are suing casinos without a license.
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9 months ago
So players from Germany can confirm here that Mr. GREEN, Pokerstars and N1 as they all are called are also currently paying?
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9 months ago
More than fair. I also have to say that the operators were also fair and paid out the winnings without any problems. There are now enough operators without a license who no longer pay out their winnings. Because the player has just as little right to a winnings as the casino has to the deposits if there is no license. Then they just turn the tables.
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9 months ago
I didn't mean the wins but the lost processes. In Germany, the verdicts are increasing day by day and I can't imagine that settlements will be made with the well-known operators here. It will certainly become less and less and the casinos will take it into account.
In the Netherlands too, payments are being refused and lawsuits are also increasing.
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9 months ago
You would have to ask her about that when you see her here. I can only describe the cases that I read. They are currently trying to rely on the suspension, but if that was rejected, they have probably always paid up until now.
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9 months ago
Yes, this will change in the long term, because why accept a settlement if the casinos have to reimburse the full amount.
This is exactly why the ECJ was informed
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