Win MaChance Casino - general discussion (page 3)

The explanation is quite simple. It's a poorly regulated business. As long as players keep playing and depositing on such sites, they gain income. Even unlicensed casino operates, and some are even honest ones.

In my own opinion, players shouldn't trust all affiliate sites blindly. It's better to spend some time digging up information about the casino than spend probably much more waiting for an uncertain payout 🙁.

I fear you're correct when saying "people don't know the truth about it"...

It makes me angry to think like that, but it has all the numbers that don't want to pay and they put me off everything 😞

The casino score does not even reach 1.5, I usually see such a low score for casinos that are scams, for now there is not much to do, this type of casino can simply refuse to pay, others at least have the decency to pay when the problem becomes public, but others (like this one) don't. For the next try to play in casinos with a moderately decent score and above all that are well known, those generally care about their reputation and public pressure works

I already know, but what I don't understand is why reputable gaming companies sell their games to fraudulent casinos, I don't understand why they do that. You see good suppliers and you trust as was my case, since I did not look at the time of betting if I had a good score or not, what is more, in 2018 I won 1500 euros and they paid me without any problem. I didn't play again until now and that's when I had these problems, winning such a sum. So I have no choice but to see what happens ASKGAMBLERS, I also reported the facts and I did not get a response from the casino, they closed my almost and here I imagine that I will go the same way.

The providers offer their games to anyone who wants to add them to their casinos, all they care about is money and honestly it's hard to blame them, although I do believe that European providers and especially those that work under the MGA should restrict the type of casinos to those who offer their services, but it is not something that will happen because their only reason for existing is profit. The only provider that I have a hard time finding in casinos with a poor reputation is Playtech, I don't know if they deny their services to certain casinos but generally their live games are only found in casinos with a decent reputation, especially in Europe, and they are not a unknown provider, I find Evolution in the soup and clearly they offer their services to anyone, but as I said: it is difficult to blame them, in the end the one who really scams you is the casino. It's a good lesson: casino providers mean nothing

If yes, you are absolutely right about that, they are not to blame for how the casino acts, I know that. They sell their games and that's it, that's what the business consists of, you pay for something, I know I give it and what you do with it is up to you.

What I think is a pyramidal casino, look what I got to tell you. They pay the winners, according to the income that other users make and so on. Until the time comes and they shut down forever and leave everyone with a profit in the lurch

Since you mention it, it is important to play in big and well known casinos because those can take risks with their users and it is very unlikely that they will have liquidity problems, their number of active users is so big that there is no need to scam users, whereas in casinos like this (win machance) they have no choice but to scam users to stay active, since, as hard as it may be to believe, these small casinos have to decide between paying a user or paying the salary of their employees, and logically they will prefer to scam the user, this is obviously not justifiable, on the contrary, it is horrible and criminal.

It is not difficult to notice how big a casino is, it is enough to review the number of user opinions, activity on social networks or a more direct indicator such as a user chat in the casino itself or events where you can see the number of users participating , and also reviewing your maximum withdrawal allowed, very few casinos allow unlimited withdrawal, and this one, for example, has a limit that in my opinion is unplayable

That's right, this casino has ridiculous withdrawal limits, if you are one of the highest VIPs you can withdraw up to 1,500 per week and if you are not, 500 is my case, with the possibility of being lowered to the minimum withdrawal amount, which is 100 when they want, without any consideration and without warning until you see that they cancel your withdrawal because you exceed the withdrawal limit, to hallucinate.

You learn from failures, you know, and when you are new to this world, these things can happen to you. But hey, I'm going to fight actively and passively for my money. As if I have to go to the call center in Malta where win machance customer service operations are carried out. I show up at the offices with the police, see what I tell you. I will fight until they pay me what they owe me.

But one thing that I will not understand and it makes me angry that on casino recommendation pages they have a good reputation, is that the pages where they promote casinos pay them or what happens?

What pages are those? It would help a lot if you mention them, so as not to take them into account. And if a page cheats you with a high score from a visibly bad casino, it may be because the casino offered them exclusive referral bonuses or they directly gave a bribe in exchange for a positive score, or maybe the site itself gives good scores to junk casinos to get more referrals

There are so many that I am sending you a few links so you can see what they say. It's amazing, it's not one but many...

https://www.am-motion.eu/casinos/machance-casino-opiniones/

https://u4iot.eu/opinions/machance/

https://resenascasinos.com/european-casinos/casino-machance/

https://www.mejorcasinoonlineespanol.com/machance-casino/

As I said: they give good ratings regardless of the casino to get referrals. Thanks for the links, it helps not to take them into account. Good luck in your case, I would recommend reaching an agreement with the casino for a lower amount, I know it is ugly to have to settle for less but I see that it is impossible for this casino to pay 12,000 euros, try to reach a agreement for a smaller amount, disgusting, I know, but worse is losing everything

You are absolutely right, I will try to reach an agreement with them, but you think they would agree to negotiate and of those 12,000 how much would you say they could go down to accept. Would you say 9000 euros? I'm not set on these issues and forgive me if I'm heavy. Thank you very much for your advice

Even to pay 9000 they would have problems, it is seen that they are a small casino and taking into account their maximum withdrawal is an excessively low amount, I would say that the maximum you could go down to is 6000, and keep in mind that even paying that would take them 3 long months. When negotiating, it does not matter what you are negotiating about, always demand your best expectation (in this case, 9,000 euros) but also be flexible and go down to a point that you consider a non-negotiable minimum, that amount can already be designated by you , if they are reluctant to negotiate, they simply do not have the remotest intention to pay, but with that you would already have evidence to expose the casino everywhere (forums, social networks, etc.). And don't worry, I'm here to help, I've also been scammed by casinos and I know how it feels, I wish you the best of luck!

hello!!

Thank you very much for your advice, as you said that you will try to reach an agreement with them, because I tried that and not only do they ignore it, but they refuse to put me in charge. They are scoundrels. I am about to introduce myself in Malta, in the call center where those who attend the casino chats operate. I don't know whether to do it or not. If I would have to go with some malta authority or something. Look where I go if necessary

Unfortunately, this casino does not have a license, which makes any way to resolve the case impossible, unless a solution is reached with guru, you already have the complaint open, for now I would recommend you just wait for the complaint to be closed either as resolved or unresolved, if the complaint is closed unresolved the official casino score will be lowered further, after that try to contact the company that provides customer support services to the casino and tell them that they are collaborating with criminals, be aware Keep in mind that like the game providers, the company that provides their chat services is not to blame either, but it would still be nice if you notify them that they are working with scammers. It seems shameful to me that they are not even willing to negotiate the payment of a smaller amount, they are sad. For now it is no longer worth communicating directly with them, just wait for the resolution of the complaint that you already have open

They tell me that they have a license to work, that the license is in Curaçao and that they operate from there, and I know firsthand that the telemarketers that are in chat operate a call center there from Malta. I have already contacted several websites that promote Machance casino so that they do not do it and I am sending them proof of this that their active and passive intention is not to pay when it is time and that at 100 euros as they are doing is something unfeasible 

Let's see if they get in touch with any of those web pages and I'll update them on what they do with the users

Since they seem to have no intention of negotiating, wait for the resolution of your complaint, it may take a while and maybe they will solve it, if the complaint is closed as unresolved you can resume the negotiation of the amount to pay, for now you will no longer contact them and wait for the resolution of the complaint. In case they want to solve it, they will pay you 2000 euros every month until the withdrawal is complete, for now it only remains to wait for guru's resolution

Okay, okay, I'll wait and I won't get in touch with them anymore, I'll do what you tell me and see what happens with the resolution with the guru that happens. I will inform you of what they tell me and thank you very much for advising me because this without someone's help is desperate since you feel powerless. Really, thank you very much ☺️ and let's see if I'm lucky and they answer me