9 months ago
It will also affect slot machines because it is basically a total ban and that affects slots, poker, horse betting and secondary lotteries.
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Execution Pokerstars. Apparently, payment is not voluntary (page 68)
9 months ago
Regional courts don’t have to do that either. But OLG does.
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9 months ago
Yes, because they offered everything from a single source.
But the licenses were never valid 😂
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9 months ago
It is about the question of freedom to provide services within the EU and the ECJ will answer these questions. The defendants rely on this and that is why more and more cases are now being suspended in the higher regional courts until a decision is made.
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9 months ago
Yes, in Germany it is almost clear. In Austria for a long time, because of the monopoly.
It won't be any different for you, because they will also have issued additional licenses from 2021 anyway
actually all the more clear, I don't know what they want now, how stupid can you be to doubt that when you have voluntarily applied for a license...
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9 months ago
First of all, I am not a "self-proclaimed autodidact in law." I have already preached to my children that reading alone is not an advantage, but that "comprehension" is added. Since the "publications" of balance sheets and P&L are "public" with "publication requirement" - as the name goes - anyone can get them and I won't believe anything you say from now on!
You use and confuse "legal terms" such as "tenor" (which are part of a judgment not a balance sheet!!).
Then, because you can't deliver, you try to escape by claiming (and I quote): "... don't publish any details about ongoing proceedings. That something like that is not legal...".
My God, how pathetic, you are an "important", not me, otherwise you would call it "Ross & Rider", but you can't, so you better keep quiet!
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9 months ago
No, it is not about the question of freedom to provide services according to Section 56. It's about whether Bill55 is compliant with the Union or contrary to Union law. The matter with the freedom to provide services has been clarified by the European Court of Justice since 2009/10 and sometimes indirectly in 2021, or was it 2022. That's why no court here in Germany is suspending the proceedings under the BGH. You are not bound if the BGH suspends something as long as the BGH has not ruled. The legal situation is clear.
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9 months ago
30.
Jan 2024
ECJ DEALS WITH CLAIMS FOR RECOVERY FROM ILLEGAL ONLINE GAMBLING
German civil courts have already ordered illegal online gambling providers to pay back gambling losses to consumers hundreds of times. The judges at the European Court of Justice (ECJ) are currently also dealing with the issue. If a consumer-friendly ruling is announced there, it would enormously strengthen the rights of German gamblers. However, it is still unclear when a decision will be announced.
ECJ deals with lawsuit against Lottoland operating company
Specifically, the European Court of Justice is dealing with a lawsuit brought by a German gambler against European Lotto and Betting Ltd and Deutsche Lotto- und Sportwetten Ltd, based in Malta. The latter company operates, among other things, the Lottoland website, which is popular in Germany.
Lottoland is not an official lottery acceptance point, but rather a so-called secondary lottery. This means that bets on the outcome of lottery draws can be placed there. In addition, Lottoland also offers virtual machine games, so-called slots. Although the company has a Maltese gaming license, it has not yet been licensed in Germany.
In general, there was a total ban on most online games of chance in this country until 2021. Only sports betting was part of a gray area, with the first online sports betting providers only receiving nationwide licenses in October 2020. In addition, in 2012, Schleswig-Holstein was the only federal state to allow online gambling. However, companies licensed there were only allowed to target residents of the nation's northernmost state.
The ECJ judges have to decide on this
The plaintiff now argues that the contracts between the gambler and the defendant were never valid due to the inadmissibility of the gambling offer. The plaintiff is therefore demanding reimbursement for all of the gambling losses he suffered while participating in online slot games and secondary lotteries.
The defendant, however, argues that it was and continues to be legal in Germany due to the EU freedom to provide services through its Maltese gaming license. The EU freedom to provide services regulates that companies from an EU country are allowed to offer their services throughout the economic union. Now the ECJ judges have to decide which argument to follow. To this end, a Maltese court submitted a total of seven questions to them.
When will a verdict be announced?
Process observers are assuming a consumer-friendly decision, as the judges at the European Court of Justice have already made it clear in the past that national gambling laws can be given greater weight than the EU freedom to provide services due to their consumer-protecting nature.
In this respect, it is entirely conceivable that the ECJ judges will decide that the gambler is entitled to reimbursement of his gambling losses and that the defendant company was and is illegal in Germany despite its Maltese license. This decision could benefit hundreds of thousands of gamblers from all over Europe.
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9 months ago
This application to the Eugh was also constructed by the Casino Mafia and a backwoods lawyer from SH, who bought up a player's claim and is now suing this casino in his own name and whose casino lawyers commissioned him to do so do and and, will then be evaluated under a completely different light.
Everything has been legally secure for years, so the Federal Court of Justice, which had already ruled on something similar in 1962, no longer had to make a ruling. Etc. All their skins are now floating away, so they are now resourceful. Have a nice weekend everyone. Until next week.
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9 months ago
Thanks for that laugh 😀 It's really bad with you and you're obviously clearly triggered as a pompous person.
But again very slowly for you: a balance sheet is publicly available, yes. no one has claimed otherwise. And in the case of more than one casino, the plaintiffs' disputed values are explicitly discussed in writing in the annual financial statements, which were then no longer taken into account in the figures - with the justification that I gave.
and I won't tell you which casinos they are as they are ongoing proceedings. You should be able to understand it yourself, right? What was meant by "not legal" was that it was certainly not legal that the claims were not listed in the balance sheet. nothing else.
So you start reading and "understanding" it before you start shooting wildly and self-importantly. Because it is pathetic to act on the internet and throw stones from the glass house.
I don't have to make up anything for no reason or prove something to someone here that might jeopardize my process. So let it go and at least keep quiet with me from now on, then I'll be happy to do the same. thank you 🙂
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9 months ago
First of all, I am not a "self-proclaimed autodidact in law." I have already preached to my children that reading alone is not an advantage, but that "comprehension" is added. Since the "publications" of balance sheets and P&L are "public" with "publication requirement" - as the name goes - anyone can get them and I won't believe anything you say from now on!
You use and confuse "legal terms" such as "tenor" (which are part of a judgment not a balance sheet!!).
Then, because you can't deliver, you try to escape by claiming (and I quote): "... don't publish any details about ongoing proceedings. That something like that is not legal...".
My God, how pathetic, you are an "important", not me, otherwise you would call it "Ross & Rider", but you can't, so you better keep quiet!
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9 months ago
Sorry, but you are clearly the busybody here! You haven't given any input here, apart from being a know-it-all, but at the same time you accuse another user of not having had any training.
Users like you should be banned...
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9 months ago
Actually, there are only people here waiting for their money, right? 🤣
or possibly pass on insider knowledge if they want.
Everything else you can find yourself on the Internet, you don't need a lawyer or anything because everyone who is here in the forum has one anyway 😁
Or are there users here who may work as lawyers in this area? Or maybe even lawyers for the other party? You never know 😅
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9 months ago
Actually, there are only people here waiting for their money, right? 🤣
or possibly pass on insider knowledge if they want.
Everything else you can find yourself on the Internet, you don't need a lawyer or anything because everyone who is here in the forum has one anyway 😁
Or are there users here who may work as lawyers in this area? Or maybe even lawyers for the other party? You never know 😅
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9 months ago
Lawyers for the players' side, not so much.
Unfortunately, some lawyers for the casinos do.
Unfortunately, most people here are very frustrated and a lot of half-knowledge is being spread. It's an unfavorable situation for everyone involved, but there's no point in speculating and telling yourself that the money will definitely come back. This is definitely not the case, the chance that many people will completely ignore it is very high.
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9 months ago
Maybe we can at least agree on the lowest common denominator, which is "all against the illegal casinos" 😂😂😂
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9 months ago
You have to look at this differently...
Which provider?
Do you already have a verdict?
Do you already have a title?
Is it already being executed?
So you definitely have to take all of that into account and I think that those who will get their money at well-known casinos, where their mother is also a giant.
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9 months ago
The process will continue, it says there anyway
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9 months ago
You have to look at this differently...
Which provider?
Do you already have a verdict?
Do you already have a title?
Is it already being executed?
So you definitely have to take all of that into account and I think that those who will get their money at well-known casinos, where their mother is also a giant.
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9 months ago
I think so too, but nothing is guaranteed.
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9 months ago
What is guaranteed in life?
But the probability of getting it is much greater than not getting it and that's enough. Because the lawyers also want their money and they only get it when it's through and the PKF wouldn't continue to finance it if there was no chance.
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