Execution Pokerstars. Apparently, payment is not voluntary (page 10)

The problem is that you first have to be aware of these accounts. But basically you are right. I'm also convinced that it should all be much easier. Once you have the title in your hands, this should actually be completed immediately. I mean, the casinos work with all sorts of payment providers, different credit cards, e-wallets, etc.

Normally you only need to hand over the title to one of the payment providers and then it is attached by court order. I also find it very strange that it seems to be so difficult, but the casinos continue to move millions of euros from account to account every day, with a wide variety of providers.

Yes, it's all about profit, not morality, the payment providers earn money on every transfer.

She doesn't care

Clear. But I see the mistakes of the lawyers, who simply do not seize the payment providers. In the EU, it is relatively easy to carry out a seizure.

tell us more please

How do you mean that? Would that be easier than executing the provider himself? What would be the reason why the lawyers don't do that???

With a legal title, you can attach anything and everything where the casino has money. So if they work with Mastercard, for example, then they have money there, or with another payment provider. And with the title, you can garnish the money from the casino. So if you initiate a seizure with a payment provider with the title, then they have to hand over the money.

It's the same as with personal debt. If a creditor has your bank account, they can directly garnish the bank account. You won't find out about it until it's already too late.

Sure, the casinos will also use a lot of tricks and cover it up as much as possible, but how is that supposed to work when thousands of transactions go to their accounts every day? The transactions must also be listed. So can't be that hard to find out what accounts they have.

I hope to hear more positive reports soon. Crunching won't get you any further.

and why don't the lawyers do that? The IBANs of the accounts are easy to find and so is the bank... I thought a seizure would only go on accounts in Austria. Are the lawyers trying too little here? I don't need to ask my lawyer, he hasn't answered me for months.

Good question, why don't they do that. As long as the account is in the EU, you can also attach it. Outside the EU is of course also possible, but that would be much more difficult, but no problem within the EU. Theoretically, you can even pawn an art collection or their furniture at the company's address if it's owned by the casino's company.

And since the Malta casinos also transfer via SEPA, the account is also in the EU.

Neither do I, but it's probably because of the questions I asked, I was just annoyed by their short answers that just didn't say anything.

Ultimately, this means: In Austria you can deposit at any MGA casino, hope for winnings and if it doesn't work, then simply ask for the money back.

The casinos are aware of the legal situation, but many still allow Austrian players out of sheer greed for money.

I believe that this is the main difference between the gambling authority in Austria and Casino Guru's point of view. Our main goal has always been making the gambling environment more fair and safer. So I claim that if you decide to play in a casino, risk your money and lose it, then you just lost it. If the casino treats you as any other player in case you win = they payout the winnings regardless your country of residence, then the relationship between you (as a player) and the casino is fair. That's how playing in a casino works.

But whenever ANY side tries to earn money without risk = depositing, withdrawing winnings or suing them in case of losses or accepting player's deposits, but voiding winnings because of player's country of residence, then it creates an unfair advantage for one of the sides and that's something we'd never support.

I'm aware that's not how the law works, but I claim that it starts with the player's choice whether they decided to deposit their money anywhere or not. When it comes to Austria, I believe there are Austrian players who happily play in their favourite MGA licensed casinos and they've been playing there for ages, because they simply like their services. They suddenly don't see them as a pure evil simply because the law has changed.

I agree with you Daniel, but they are case where Casino Guru is not fair, for my case the casino let me suscribe and deposit, and when I try to complete the KYC to withdraw it wasn't working because I'm not on the list of country. When I contacted them they claim to me that as I'm french I cannot withdraw more than my deposit ! Always less. And after that they block my country to access the casino, and I had to open a case here.

I've managed to have screenshot, and proof with my IP, but casino guru told me to open a complaint to the licence.

I swear they are rigged, because the close the complaint with no proof, no explanation, nothing....

Btw, the evidence provide by the casino here were fake and I've proved it... So I don't understand why casino guru can stand with liar and scammer like them..

I distance myself from this opinion!

The Austrians who play happily play LEGAL in Austria.

Something has happened to me at IW after 5 months back and forth, including a court hearing. But I can't go into detail here.

Class, thanks for the information. Just one more question, are you from Austria or Germany?

I also see it completely differently. The responsibility does not lie with the players, but with the casinos. Casinos know it's illegal, but they do it anyway. The casinos therefore consciously take the risk of being sued afterwards.

"When it comes to Austria, I believe there are Austrian players who are happy playing at their favorite MGA licensed casinos and have been playing there for ages simply because they like their services."

And I know that there are many players who have lost their livelihoods to casinos and are far from happy with it.

The law is what it is and if players have the ability to recoup their losses, many do. It doesn't matter how you evaluate it morally, that's just the reality and it's in the nature of things.

There is also no player protection in illegal casinos. Yes, you can get banned from individual casinos, but someone who is addicted to gambling simply registers with the nearest casino as there are thousands of casinos online and there is no one-size-fits-all banning feature.

There is as yet no system where a player can ban himself from ALL MGA casinos or ALL Curacao casinos etc.

In Germany you can extend the block to all casinos, but what good is that when countless illegal casinos are accessible at the push of a button?

Gaming has harmed many more people than it has benefited so far and it is not about small things. Many have lost everything as a result.

From Austria

Hey that's good news, have you been offered a comparison? Or did you just pay?

I would also be interested in how it went

I don't see it that way either!

If they offer it illegally, it's their own fault

and we know the legal situation in Austria

First they won the negotiation, then stood still for 6 weeks, then agreed to a settlement - stood still for another 14 days, then another settlement and then they were so merciful. -10.