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Radka
3 months ago

Illegal online gambling is getting more and more out of control. Since Austrian and German players can now claim back their gambling losses in Malta casinos without much effort, more and more casinos with a license from Curaçao are opening their doors. The real owners usually remain hidden. The tricks used against players are becoming more and more brazen. A lawyer from Curaçao is now taking decisive action against these companies.

Curaçao as a stronghold for mafia online casinos

If you take a closer look at new online casinos, you will quickly notice that a Curaçao license is usually used. There are four so-called master licenses, issued by Antillephone or Curacao-eGaming, for example. The licensing bodies are not the state itself, but companies that resell the license they receive as sub-licenses. There are currently only minimal requirements to obtain such a license: the payment of manageable annual fees and the fulfillment of extremely low requirements.

So-called trust companies take care of setting up the necessary companies, bank accounts and applying for licenses. The total costs are low. For around 15,000 euros you can have the required company structure, the gambling license and the bank accounts in Curaçao and, for example, Cyprus, where the money from the gambling customers ends up in another company. The business model of the active trust companies is: secrecy. In most cases, a managing director appears in the company register who is appointed by the trust company itself - at the request of the real owners. They remain anonymous. Finding out who is actually acting as the ultimate owner behind an online casino is practically impossible. The number of cheated players is constantly increasing. Those affected cannot expect help from official bodies. The cheated players are left alone with their problems. At least almost, because a lawyer in Curaçao fights tirelessly for players all over the world who have been cheated by Curaçao casinos.

Dirty tricks & fake games

The anonymity of the people involved brings with it many risks for gambling customers. The real owners feel safe and often act unashamedly with this protection from revealing their own identity. Customers are often fobbed off with questionable methods when making withdrawals, and documents that are supposedly required are arbitrarily requested in order to deny withdrawals. Existing account balances are simply frozen or deleted for incomprehensible reasons. Companies that operate largely operate as they please. In most cases, they do not have to expect any consequences. Gambling in Curaçao is still not properly regulated, there is a lack of supervision, and complaints to the licensing authorities often go unanswered.

The operators' tricks are by no means limited to delaying payouts. The provider Rabidi NV, for example, which operates a large number of different casino brands with a Curaçao license, sometimes uses copies of Novomatic/Greentube and Play'N Go games. These games, which are popular with players, look like the originals, but they are copies. This copy is not recognizable to the average consumer. Only when looking at the technical details does it become apparent: the games are loaded from an unofficial server. Novomatic is currently investigating the reported cases, but has previously confirmed that only games offered on win2day are legal for Austrian players.

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3 months ago



Hello. All these casinos operating under the eGaming Curacao license are unreliable. CURACAO issues licenses to four companies, which in turn issue licenses to thousands of websites without any supervision. Obtaining a license has been very cheap so far. Casinos with a Curacao license are not very trustworthy and there are thousands of articles on this topic. Can you tell me if it is normal that a journalist investigating the case of illegal gambling in Curacao and money laundering is murdered on the beach in broad daylight (9 shots) and politicians were presumably involved in the whole process? Another journalist who was also interested in gambling in Curacao had to leave Curacao and was placed in the witness protection program in the Netherlands. Does this happen in a normal country? Almost all casinos with an eGaming Curacao license are unreliable and violate regulations. I would like to give an example that does not refer to Curacao, but to a license from Canada. I lost over 100,000 euros in this casino. What turned out was that they had a low RTP value and, in addition, they were not allowed to operate in Germany. It was difficult to win anything with them, they cheated the players. I wrote to them but received no response. I wrote to the commission that issued the license, the KAHNAWAKE GAMING COMMISSION. I received the answer that I had to sort it out with the casino, they could not do anything - nothing new, so one hand washes the other. After sending an email to Moicasino support, after a week access to the website from a German IP address was blocked. Since I had no other choice, I wrote to them that I was ready to come to an agreement. They offered me 10,000 euros, I refused. After two months, I had no other choice and agreed. I received 10,000 euros from the casino. Of course, in the documents I signed, they did not admit anything, but wrote that it was an act of goodwill on their part. Now I am wondering if a casino that operated illegally and intentionally lowered the RTP value should refund the player the entire amount? So please don't tell me how honest the casinos in Curacao are, that they operate legally and that the players who lose money at them can ask for a refund if they are not allowed to operate in the respective country. The license from Curacao is worthless and not very trustworthy. There are hundreds of articles on this topic. Rollingslots was not allowed to operate in Germany, they broke the law and should refund the funds. Best regards. This is my personal opinion because when I read some of the comments on CasinoGuru I get angry. I am curious if most people on the forum agree with me. Attached is the confidential contract with moicasino.com as proof. Best regards.

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3 months ago

Some people feel provoked by this.

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3 months ago

Hello.

Provoked by what, please? This is the real situation that has been unfolding, which is closely tied to the entire discussion. Though discussions might be thought-provoking, it is evident that this is a significant issue given the context of the conversation from the outset. If my memory serves me correctly, no one has ever brought up this event before, but some players even indicated they were aware of it.

I believe that every coin has two sides.

I have already noticed that some threads only function when participants have a similar tone; voicing disagreement with others through opinions is not appropriate for everyone. Please let me know if this is what you meant.

I just brought the information here; the rest is up to each and every one of you.

3 months ago

Illegal online gambling is getting more and more out of control. Since Austrian and German players can now claim back their gambling losses in Malta casinos without much effort, more and more casinos with a license from Curaçao are opening their doors. The real owners usually remain hidden. The tricks used against players are becoming more and more brazen. A lawyer from Curaçao is now taking decisive action against these companies.

Curaçao as a stronghold for mafia online casinos

If you take a closer look at new online casinos, you will quickly notice that a Curaçao license is usually used. There are four so-called master licenses, issued by Antillephone or Curacao-eGaming, for example. The licensing bodies are not the state itself, but companies that resell the license they receive as sub-licenses. There are currently only minimal requirements to obtain such a license: the payment of manageable annual fees and the fulfillment of extremely low requirements.

So-called trust companies take care of setting up the necessary companies, bank accounts and applying for licenses. The total costs are low. For around 15,000 euros you can have the required company structure, the gambling license and the bank accounts in Curaçao and, for example, Cyprus, where the money from the gambling customers ends up in another company. The business model of the active trust companies is: secrecy. In most cases, a managing director appears in the company register who is appointed by the trust company itself - at the request of the real owners. They remain anonymous. Finding out who is actually acting as the ultimate owner behind an online casino is practically impossible. The number of cheated players is constantly increasing. Those affected cannot expect help from official bodies. The cheated players are left alone with their problems. At least almost, because a lawyer in Curaçao fights tirelessly for players all over the world who have been cheated by Curaçao casinos.

Dirty tricks & fake games

The anonymity of the people involved brings with it many risks for gambling customers. The real owners feel safe and often act unashamedly with this protection from revealing their own identity. Customers are often fobbed off with questionable methods when making withdrawals, and documents that are supposedly required are arbitrarily requested in order to deny withdrawals. Existing account balances are simply frozen or deleted for incomprehensible reasons. Companies that operate largely operate as they please. In most cases, they do not have to expect any consequences. Gambling in Curaçao is still not properly regulated, there is a lack of supervision, and complaints to the licensing authorities often go unanswered.

The operators' tricks are by no means limited to delaying payouts. The provider Rabidi NV, for example, which operates a large number of different casino brands with a Curaçao license, sometimes uses copies of Novomatic/Greentube and Play'N Go games. These games, which are popular with players, look like the originals, but they are copies. This copy is not recognizable to the average consumer. Only when looking at the technical details does it become apparent: the games are loaded from an unofficial server. Novomatic is currently investigating the reported cases, but has previously confirmed that only games offered on win2day are legal for Austrian players.

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3 months ago

Hello.

That is a really great addition; it took me a while to read it all. 🙂

While casinos are profit-driven businesses, any reduction in fixed costs is generally welcomed, I believe that the main reason Curacao, and other similarly acquired licenses, have become so popular with international and offshore companies is because of their moderate regulations and low costs. Decentralized laws, regulations, and requirements, on the other hand, leave far too many blind spots.

Regretfully, the current approach to locally restricting "illigal" gambling also serves to attract more highly vulnerable players or even casual players to the unregulated websites. A certain amount of international regulation, maybe established for entire continents rather than for individual nations, would, in my opinion, lessen the harm.

Speaking about harm now, I prefer to have the choice to play not just in a locally licensed casino but also in any other casino of my choice. At any casino I like to play at, I am willing to accept the consequences of losing.

This explains why offshore casinos continue to be so well-liked, I'd say.

As a result, they favor welcoming participants from highly regulated markets. Legality is not something that interests me personally, and I am well aware that most players here do not feel the same way I do. However, I see no reason to take the casino to court as long as these establishments treat these players fairly and permit them to play and withdraw just like everyone else.

On a local level, there is also the issue of self-excluded players. I agree that things are entirely different—or, perhaps more accurately, far worse—in that regard. I assume that if I were to develop an addiction, I would view things entirely differently.


The following is likewise a fairly intricate point:

I just had a conversation about "fake games" with our data team yesterday. We both agree that players can hardly tell original games from copies these days, and that certain providers occasionally use what are essentially "unofficial servers." We have seen games loading from strange sources in the past; because we could not keep up with the provider, we added a warning to players. This game provider contacted our Data Team quickly after the warning was released, stating something like, "It is ok, these are our servers anyway, we just do not want to use the usual one."

I have some theories, but I dare not guess why. Well, theories only.

No wonder many players feel like something is not right with the gambling industry. 🙁

In any case, it was nice talking to you. Thank you.


robertkuczera4859
3 months ago

Good morning !

Of course you would have to.

The problem with you is that you agreed to a settlement, certainly with a confidentiality clause. This means that all legal claims have now been settled with the settlement.

Best regards

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Radka
3 months ago

According to the latest case law, which many courts now follow, up to the OLG, it is not decisive whether the player knew about it or not, almost all courts in Austria now also judge exactly the same.

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abelinglaekamp
3 months ago

I believe I came upon it in an article. I appreciate you bringing that up.

It matters, in my opinion, if the player was aware of the license prior to the deposit. But I said, that's because I'm more focused on overall fairness than legal matters. I am aware of how poorly it fits in here.

3 months ago

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3 months ago

Quick update: today my lawsuit against a Curacao casino was filed and accepted and forwarded by the PF.

Updates to follow...


Loss 15,705€


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alipirhan
3 months ago

Strong. Which PF?

I'm still waiting for the hearing date or whether the lawsuit will be answered at all. 17754€

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Stefan123450
3 months ago

My PF is Padronus and the casino operator St...


Received the email today and forwarded to G&L.


If your casino is one of the biggest in Curacao you don't need to worry, I think Curacao will take longer than Malta but at least the money should come.

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Nichtmitmir
3 months ago

@Radka


Mr Green has a rating of 8.2 with you even though they openly admit to exploiting gambling addicts.


Please finally adjust your ratings.

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3 months ago

I really hope casino guru will also learn and apply not only the law, but also a fair resolution for everyone.


I had similare cases than people with addiction where the casino abused it and also didn't offer exclusion or more.


A lot of people had their money refund because casino guru ruled that it was abusif from the casino,


But in my case I show chats, didn't got AML verification (with 2,50 BTC) and couldn't make exclusion because the casino make a glitch so I coulnd't self exclude (I film it and sent the video to casino guru) and they dare to say that I didn't have enough evidence !!


Wtf I even got another account which was closed and let me open another, and to show evidence I also create a new one after the last one was banned..


Other player had their money, but my case wasn't ruled fairly at all !!


Medication, depression, even for that I have evidence...


I really hope to see some changes

3 months ago

https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000233172/warum-vielen-gluecksspielern-nun-klagen-von-onlinekasinos-drohen-koennten

2 months ago

here the video about the procedure of sports betting

https://youtu.be/zGjQt3NtbnQ?si=LPuZ0s-y4K4RREZU

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2 months ago

Hello ...

My lawsuit against Pokerstars has been going on for almost 3 years.

As I have now learned, Malta has closed everything.

That means...no more payments are made. Quite the opposite.

Pokerstars wants to sue players back. I haven't heard anything from Padronus for a long time either. And if I do...it's always the same...it takes a long time and I have to be patient. But then you don't have that anymore. Your bee


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2 months ago

Malta has closed everything 😂

this Bill55 is still active and that's it...


everything will be fine...

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Nachteule1
2 months ago

Patience, bee. My lawsuit has been going on for 4 years. The same as yours...

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2 months ago

… and Pokerstars didn’t sue anyone.

Bet365 has filed a lawsuit, namely a player who only complained about the deposits - even though she had a net profit of €7,000. She simply hoped that the provider would ignore her and then get a default judgment...

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gtaonlinezocken
2 months ago

Same with me, Mr G***n for years

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