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10 months ago

Personally, I wouldn't be averse to a reasonable settlement offer. So far, I've only seen a judgment from the regional court. An appeal was filed, and the proceedings were subsequently suspended pending the ECJ's decision. Assuming that the case resumes at the end of April, for example, it will first take time until it goes to the higher regional court, then perhaps to the federal court, before enforcement can begin. Considering how long this entire process takes, we're talking at least three to five years before we might see any money. I would therefore prefer "quick" money, as the amount I'm considering would help me more in the short term for the future than more money in a few years.


This is just my opinion and nothing else!

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Baker3xx
10 months ago

Everyone takes what they need. If the ECJ dismantles Malta as expected, everything will move much faster, as the German courts want their tables cleared.


And a ECJ ruling is binding, no judge will let himself be told that twice and will wave through the cases in a row

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HugoH
10 months ago

Of course I hope this is the case for everyone affected, don't get me wrong ☺️

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10 months ago

I'm not a fan of comparisons.

Court costs are usually deducted from the total (or the plaintiff pays them)...and possibly even the plaintiff's own attorney's fees...nope...I'll wait. I'm already at zero, it can only get higher.

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10 months ago

I would only accept an offer if the defendant covers the legal costs and attorney's fees. Otherwise, the settlement makes little sense.

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10 months ago

Bill 55 has already achieved some of what it was intended to achieve.


Time for many companies to "restructure," funds that were sent nowhere and active and potential plaintiffs to become weak and hopeless.


A current example is Gammix Ltd., which is going into voluntary liquidation and the liquidator is setting a deadline for filing claims.

The liquidator then accuses the creditors of having made excessive claims and of being uncooperative.

Liquidator quits, case ends up in court.


It is uncertain whether a new liquidator will be appointed.


Several lawyers have evidence that the Ltd. has moved funds to disadvantage creditors.


The liquidator was supposed to get these funds back... but it got too hot for him and he left.


They use all kinds of dirty tricks

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10 months ago

I don't think anyone wants to know what's going on in the background.

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10 months ago

What's up again on April 9th? Thanks!!!

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justus99
10 months ago

https://curia.europa.eu/juris/documents.jsf?nat=or&mat=or&pcs=Oor&jur=C%2CT%2CF&num=C-440%252F23&for=&jge=&dates=&language=de&pro=&cit=none%252CC% 252CCJ%252CR%252C2008E%252C%252C%252C%252C%252C%252C%252C%252C%252C%252Ct rue%252Cfalse%252Cfalse&oqp=&td=%3BALL&avg=&lgrec=de&page=1&lg=&cid=656771

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justus99
10 months ago

https://gamesright.de/eugh-befasst-sich-mit-rueckfordanspruechen-bei-illegalem-online-gluecksspiel/

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10 months ago

Bill 55 has already achieved some of what it was intended to achieve.


Time for many companies to "restructure," funds that were sent nowhere and active and potential plaintiffs to become weak and hopeless.


A current example is Gammix Ltd., which is going into voluntary liquidation and the liquidator is setting a deadline for filing claims.

The liquidator then accuses the creditors of having made excessive claims and of being uncooperative.

Liquidator quits, case ends up in court.


It is uncertain whether a new liquidator will be appointed.


Several lawyers have evidence that the Ltd. has moved funds to disadvantage creditors.


The liquidator was supposed to get these funds back... but it got too hot for him and he left.


They use all kinds of dirty tricks

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10 months ago

Hi!! Do you know where I can found information about that ?? I Have a case against them, they are also in Curaçao under the company : Mountberg !!

Tamera
10 months ago

Hello! Unfortunately, you can only get information from lawyers... Gammix has completely withdrawn, and virtually nothing is leaking out! According to my contact, it's quite possible that no creditor will get a single cent back from Gammix Limited.

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10 months ago

Is there any information yet regarding today's oral hearing?

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Baker3xx
10 months ago

I think it will take some time, as we don’t know how long the negotiations will last.

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10 months ago

The first oral hearing of the ECJ on the German State Treaty on Gambling was eagerly awaited.


The legal dispute, which is registered under the reference number C-440 and is also known as the "FAKE proceedings," has made its way from Germany via Malta to the ECJ.


The original subject of the proceedings was a player's claim in Germany against a provider of secondary lotteries operating in Germany without a German license. The player's claims were subsequently purchased by a German lawyer brought into the proceedings by the defendant as part of a settlement. The lawyer then re-asserted the acquired claims in his own name in court in Malta.


The parties then agreed to submit a case to the ECJ, for which the ECJ would have to comment on the conformity of the German State Treaty on Gambling of 2012 with European law. The online gambling provider Lottoland was represented by attorney Karpenstein at the hearing before the ECJ.


▶️ After more than three hours of negotiations and hearings from the plaintiff, lawyer Volker Ramge, the defendant, the Federal Government, the representative from Malta, the representative from Belgium and the European Commission, both the chairman and the advocate general put a number of questions to all parties involved.


The question of whether Maltese courts can decide on the conformity of the GlüStV 2012 without the Federal Republic of Germany being involved in the proceedings was repeatedly raised.


The Commission has repeatedly pointed out that such cases must be handled with the utmost care.


When the presiding judge asked the plaintiff what his business model was and why he had purchased a claim from a German player in order to re-file the claim in Malta, the plaintiff explained that he worked in consumer protection and wanted to create legal certainty for players in Germany. When the court further inquired how many consumers the plaintiff represented, the plaintiff replied:


"less than ten"


The statements made by the Chairman and the President did not provide any indication of the outcome of the ECJ’s decision.


▶️ In any case, the Advocate General will deliver his Opinion on 10 July 2025.


Until then, there will be no decision by the ECJ on the GlüStV 2012


source

Istvan Cocron

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10 months ago

My post is currently being reviewed, so briefly:


The Advocate General will deliver his Opinion on 10 July 2025.

Until then, there will be no decision by the ECJ on the GlüStV 2012



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Baker3xx
10 months ago

Who or what is your source?

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HugoH
10 months ago

I haven't received the link yet. The source is:

Attorney - Istvan Cocron

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Baker3xx
10 months ago

Okay, I find Cocron a trustworthy source. I didn't know that the applications were being timed.

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HugoH
10 months ago

The final submissions are not legally binding, but they are groundbreaking. A judgment will follow 6-12 months later.


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