Dear Petra,
I am providing direct evidence and a detailed deconstruction of the casino’s own statements regarding my account. This shows that the casino is conflating two separate phases of my gameplay and making factually false claims to justify voiding €63,522 in winnings.
1. Full Casino Statement (Unedited)
"The player deposited €550 (with €675 HR bonus), won, got €10,000 approved by our T&C.
Withdrew only €4,000 first, bonus balance was still €6,000.
Deposited €478, got an accumulated balance of real balance (€478) & bonus balance (€6,000).
Proceeded to play with the accumulated balance and won again - however in T&C it is mentioned that a player can win from a bonus only once if it exceeds the max win (so in this situation, if a player wanted to proceed winning - he should have withdrawn all max win first and proceed to play with the real balance only after that).
Regarding the communication with the support agent from our side: we agree there are mistakes made from both sides. The agent was replying to a question that was initially incorrect. The player said that he won with the real balance, so the manager confirmed that the winnings from the real balance are legit of course. However, the player didn't win with the real balance, he actually lost his real balance in a gameplay very fast and won with the bonus balance of remaining €6,000. The manager could not know with what balance the player won the money, coz all player financial operations are managed by the financial department. So when the financial department was checking the winning they found out that the player played won with the previous bonus money from his max win.
Yes, in this case the player was partially misled, but the situation was also misrepresented on his part, as the question was phrased as if the winnings had come from his own deposit, which, as we have found, is not true.
With all the above taken into account we returned the initial max win + his deposit (despite the fact that he lost it) because of the misunderstanding."
2. Point-by-Point Analysis
A) Phase 1 Settled – Deposit Returned as Real Money
Quote: "...we returned the initial max win + his deposit..."
Analysis: The casino applied the €10,000 max win cap and returned my €478 deposit on March 20th at 12:25. From this point, the deposit became real money, and Phase 1 was fully settled.
B) False Claim About Losing Real Money in Phase 2
Quote: "...he actually lost his real balance very fast and won with the bonus balance..."
Proof via CSV logs: The casino is referring here to phase 1 (before the first CUT)- however, this statement does not apply to phase 2. - Phase2 is Starting from March 20th at 15:29, the from the Casino returned €478 real balance (My deposit) never dropped to zero. All winnings (€63,522) were generated solely from this returned deposit. Mathematically, it is impossible that I "lost" the deposit first.
C) Casino Confirms Winnings Are Legitimate
Quote: "The player said that he won with the real balance, so the manager confirmed that the winnings from the real balance are legit of course."
Analysis: The casino admits that winnings from real money are valid. Since CSV logs confirm I never lost the €478, the €63,522 winnings are fully legitimate.
"Here too, the casino thinks the conversation took place before the first bonus cut – however, it actually happened after the cut, so the casino is essentially confirming that my real money winnings are legitimate and that the VIP manager's statement is accurate."
D) VIP Manager Confirmation Timeline
The VIP Manager confirmed "real money" status after the first bonus cut, i.e., during Phase 2. The confirmation was based on the correctly adjusted account and cannot be considered misleading.
3. Summary
Phase 1 (bonus cap and €10,000 max win) is already settled & the Casino returned my 478€ real money deposit.
Phase 2 (€63,522 winnings) arises entirely from returned deposit (€478) and was never mixed with bonus funds for gameplay.
CSV logs prove the real money balance never dropped to zero during Phase 2.
The casino cannot void Phase 2 winnings by misapplying Phase 1 rules or claiming "bonus balance" issues.
Request:
I ask Casino Guru to verify the CSV logs from March 20th at 12:25 onward, which clearly demonstrate that the €63,522 winnings were generated solely from the returned deposit and are fully legitimate.
Best Regards,
Mike
Dear Petra,
I am providing direct evidence and a detailed deconstruction of the casino’s own statements regarding my account. This shows that the casino is conflating two separate phases of my gameplay and making factually false claims to justify voiding €63,522 in winnings.
1. Full Casino Statement (Unedited)
"The player deposited €550 (with €675 HR bonus), won, got €10,000 approved by our T&C.
Withdrew only €4,000 first, bonus balance was still €6,000.
Deposited €478, got an accumulated balance of real balance (€478) & bonus balance (€6,000).
Proceeded to play with the accumulated balance and won again - however in T&C it is mentioned that a player can win from a bonus only once if it exceeds the max win (so in this situation, if a player wanted to proceed winning - he should have withdrawn all max win first and proceed to play with the real balance only after that).
Regarding the communication with the support agent from our side: we agree there are mistakes made from both sides. The agent was replying to a question that was initially incorrect. The player said that he won with the real balance, so the manager confirmed that the winnings from the real balance are legit of course. However, the player didn't win with the real balance, he actually lost his real balance in a gameplay very fast and won with the bonus balance of remaining €6,000. The manager could not know with what balance the player won the money, coz all player financial operations are managed by the financial department. So when the financial department was checking the winning they found out that the player played won with the previous bonus money from his max win.
Yes, in this case the player was partially misled, but the situation was also misrepresented on his part, as the question was phrased as if the winnings had come from his own deposit, which, as we have found, is not true.
With all the above taken into account we returned the initial max win + his deposit (despite the fact that he lost it) because of the misunderstanding."
2. Point-by-Point Analysis
A) Phase 1 Settled – Deposit Returned as Real Money
Quote: "...we returned the initial max win + his deposit..."
Analysis: The casino applied the €10,000 max win cap and returned my €478 deposit on March 20th at 12:25. From this point, the deposit became real money, and Phase 1 was fully settled.
B) False Claim About Losing Real Money in Phase 2
Quote: "...he actually lost his real balance very fast and won with the bonus balance..."
Proof via CSV logs: The casino is referring here to phase 1 (before the first CUT)- however, this statement does not apply to phase 2. - Phase2 is Starting from March 20th at 15:29, the from the Casino returned €478 real balance (My deposit) never dropped to zero. All winnings (€63,522) were generated solely from this returned deposit. Mathematically, it is impossible that I "lost" the deposit first.
C) Casino Confirms Winnings Are Legitimate
Quote: "The player said that he won with the real balance, so the manager confirmed that the winnings from the real balance are legit of course."
Analysis: The casino admits that winnings from real money are valid. Since CSV logs confirm I never lost the €478, the €63,522 winnings are fully legitimate.
"Here too, the casino thinks the conversation took place before the first bonus cut – however, it actually happened after the cut, so the casino is essentially confirming that my real money winnings are legitimate and that the VIP manager's statement is accurate."
D) VIP Manager Confirmation Timeline
The VIP Manager confirmed "real money" status after the first bonus cut, i.e., during Phase 2. The confirmation was based on the correctly adjusted account and cannot be considered misleading.
3. Summary
Phase 1 (bonus cap and €10,000 max win) is already settled & the Casino returned my 478€ real money deposit.
Phase 2 (€63,522 winnings) arises entirely from returned deposit (€478) and was never mixed with bonus funds for gameplay.
CSV logs prove the real money balance never dropped to zero during Phase 2.
The casino cannot void Phase 2 winnings by misapplying Phase 1 rules or claiming "bonus balance" issues.
Request:
I ask Casino Guru to verify the CSV logs from March 20th at 12:25 onward, which clearly demonstrate that the €63,522 winnings were generated solely from the returned deposit and are fully legitimate.
Best Regards,
Mike