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1 year ago

Why should things go faster now? I wonder what the decision is really supposed to achieve? Even BEFORE bill55, certain providers simply didn't pay......wait......

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Nichtmitmir
1 year ago

Yes, because they probably already knew that they had planned that.

The ÖVWG is committed to all online casinos from 1.2022.

There are some procedures going on...

I'm sure a decision or statement will come soon.

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voizua92
1 year ago

I've now looked at my case again on ecourt's site and it doesn't take 6 months.

Today this is what it says: Next/Last Sitting:08/02/2024 09:30

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alipirhan
1 year ago

Yes, please, it's apparently faster than 2021/22 and 23

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voizua92
1 year ago

I've now read what you sent from the ÖVWG, it's crazy what they want, if they prevail it's also good for us because they then want to have a license in Austria then every provider will pay like in Germany

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alipirhan
1 year ago

Yes, I think it will even be awarded from 2026, at least I read that somewhere.

They have been demanding it for a long time.

Due to the number of lawsuits, this can certainly have a positive impact on the ongoing proceedings.

That's exactly the tactic to gain time

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alipirhan
1 year ago

If you could be so kind, I'll go to ecourts, change nothing and search.

Civil or judgment?


Does anyone have an idea why there are hardly any procedures for lottoland/European betting?

Thank you


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Nichtmitmir
1 year ago

Look for Civil Cases and if there is nothing there, Judgments

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voizua92
1 year ago

Yes, win2day or Casinos Austria has a license in Austria until 2026. As soon as that expires, I believe licenses will be distributed in the same way as in Germany.


But if the casinos don't pay now, it will be difficult to apply for a license.

I hope they become wiser now and pay soon, I wouldn't want to wait for the ECJ or the Commission because infringement proceedings can take years by then licenses will definitely be distributed.

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Nichtmitmir
1 year ago

Yes, I don't understand that either. I also have 10k at Lottoland and will be executed according to the PF.

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voizua92
1 year ago

Thanks

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alipirhan
1 year ago

It's also a huge company, you won't find anything about it on the internet... Not much on the topic of complaining🤔 either

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Nichtmitmir
1 year ago

You just have to write "Lotto" in Judgments and there are some procedures

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alipirhan
1 year ago

Hey you!

If there were to be licenses in Austria, they would only be linked to the conditions of being reliable and that means that the casinos that were sued pay debts to the players, otherwise they won't get any, it's that simple. Not There is currently no German case in execution in Malta. Because Germany is the most lucrative market in Europe for casinos, it was even before the reform and even more so now after the reform. They let you play as players because the market in Austria is dead for the casinos. You can let yourself fidget, but that doesn't change the fact that all players will get their money if they sue in time and the matter is not time-barred. The EU Court of Justice will decide whether this Bill55 is contrary to EU law or not. He will classify this law as contrary to EU law, which means that the lawsuits are all legally binding and must be paid out. The contract infringement procedure can take decades, but that does not change the fact that it violates EU law and the resulting procedure.

At least that's how I read it.


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Anonymized760
1 year ago

Well, the numbers that were gambled away in Austria weren't that small 😅

compared to the population of Germany...

Generally speaking, it doesn't matter whether Ö or DE. Both countries are in the EU and German players will not accept any plea bargains in the long term and then they will also have to execute.


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alipirhan
1 year ago

Little things like that are a problem, thank you.

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voizua92
1 year ago

Good Morning!


So the proceedings that were negotiated over the last few months and so on, from 21-22 and published by CLLB, were no longer comparisons for a long time. Since the last BGH ruling and the first OLG ruling that approved legal aid, OLG Braunschweig, it has only been the winning judgments of THE players. And so far everyone has probably been paid out, from what I've read, whether it was at CLLB, or Lenne and Partner, etc. Everyone who now has a license here won't risk it and will pay back everything they owe had been swindled, the sum was still high. It's just not possible to get one in Austria, which I think is completely true. Germany is already giving in again with the limit increase, the door is being opened again. I do not get it. This is not what any player or consumer protection looks like. Most lawyers, THE player, also complain about this. When I sued back in 2020, I agreed to a settlement in both proceedings, even though the LG's decision clearly went in my direction. I just wanted this to be over as quickly as possible. Today I see it as a mistake not to have waited for THE verdict.

Best regards


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1 year ago

Did Jokerstars actually pay the judgments from Germany? That would be interesting to know...

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TSGJokerstars
1 year ago

So, so far I don't know of any verdict as to what wasn't paid for the reasons mentioned. They will be careful not to pay.

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Anonymized760
1 year ago

Yes, well, in Germany a negotiation regarding poker licenses was planned for March anyway.

They try everything in Germany too 😅 apparently without success so far, but you can see what they try when you read through the internet

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