The player from Germany fulfilled the wagering requirements on a 135 euro bonus, resulting in a real money balance of 765 euros. After withdrawing 500 euros and winning an additional 1580 euros, her request to withdraw 1400 euros gets canceled by Windetta. She asserts that winnings achieved with real money should be paid out.
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5 days ago
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1 month ago
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Hello. Today I received a bonus of 135 euros with a 25x wagering requirement. After fulfilling the wagering requirement, an amount of 765 euros (bonus amount x 5) was credited to my account as real money. Requirement fulfilled.
I then withdrew 500 euros and continued playing with the remaining real money balance (REAL MONEY!) and won 1580 euros. I wanted to withdraw 1400 euros, but everything was canceled by Windetta. The bonus requirement was fulfilled, as I had 675 euros remaining after the win with the bonus money.
Winnings that are achieved with real money should also be paid out.
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1 month ago
Dear Bollercolchen,
Thank you very much for submitting this complaint. I'm sorry to hear about the issue you're facing. Please allow me to ask you a few questions to clarify your situation.
Did you play with a deposit bonus or a no-deposit bonus? Could you please share the link to the bonus you activated and played with? Did you find the bonus on the casino’s website, through a third-party website, or did you receive a promotional email? If the bonus was sent via email, please forward the promotional offer to veronika.l@casino.guru.
Do I understand correctly that after you finished playing with your bonus, your balance exceeded the maximum allowed limit, and your winnings were automatically capped at 675€, with the remaining balance voided?
Was the 500€ deducted from your account immediately after submitting your withdrawal request, and did you continue playing with the remaining 265€?
I hope we will be able to help you resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Best regards
Veronika
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1 month ago
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Good morning, so:
Due to my constantly expiring winnings, I received a no deposit bonus of 135 euros from Windetta, which had to be wagered 25 times. After I had fulfilled this requirement, the winnings were reduced to 5 times the bonus amount and credited to me as real money. That's fine too.
Of these 675 euros in REAL MONEY, I had 500 euros paid out. That was also correct.
Then I still had 175 euros in REAL MONEY and made a profit of 1580, so REAL MONEY (that's how it was shown on my player account and the game only works with REAL MONEY). I then made withdrawal requests for 1000 euros and 400 euros (as I said, REAL MONEY), which were initially accepted but then cancelled by Windetta. The cancellation was not made to my player account, the money was simply kept. According to Windetta, I should have made a deposit after the withdrawal, which is illogical because the amount was shown as real money and not as bonus money in the player account. If the withdrawal is cancelled, then it should be credited back to the player account and not deleted by Windetta.
I would be happy to send you the contact history with Windetta via email.
I'm starting to find it impossible. The week before last I won big 3 times in free spins and every time the win was over 200 euros, the game was interrupted and the winnings and free spins were gone. I got 40 cents back. And now this!!!
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3 weeks ago
Thank you very much, Bollercolchen, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Peter (peter.c@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
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3 weeks ago
Hello there,
Thank you Bollercolchen for providing us with all the information. I hope we'll be able to resolve this issue together.
I would now like to ask WinDetta Casino for their help in resolving this complaint. We would like to know why were the player's winnings confiscated and what can we do to help resolve this issue.
Thank you!
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3 weeks ago
Dear Peter,
We are already looking into this situation. We will provide you with full information as soon as possible.
Dear Bollercolchen,
We are very sorry to hear that you had difficulties in withdrawing the funds received after the wagering conditions were completed. We will check your account and betting history in detail and will provide you with the results of the check.
Regards,
Windetta Casino Risk Department
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2 weeks ago
Dear Bollercolchen,
We have carefully checked your betting history and can report the following:
On 2024-10-11 you have been credited with a bonus of 135 EUR. Since this is a no deposit bonus, according to the Terms and Conditions of the bonus, the maximum withdrawal amount from this bonus is x5 of the bonus amount (675 EUR).
2024-10-11 11:11:00 UTC You have successfully met the wagering requirements and converted the bonus into real funds.
According to the bonus terms and conditions:
1.3 Please note that you must first claim the winnings received from the no deposit bonus, and then, when withdrawing, make a new deposit in order to continue playing without winning limits.
Since you have not withdrawn the entire amount received from the no deposit bonus and then, when withdrawing, do not make a new deposit, the entire balance exceeding the maximum withdrawal amount from the bonus has been canceled according to the rules.
On 2024-10-11 12:33:55 UTC the excess amount was canceled, and you were left with the amount you could still withdraw from the no deposit bonus - 175 EUR. Unfortunately, after the balance adjustment you did not make a withdrawal request but used these funds to play.
Regards,
Windetta Casino Risk Department
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2 weeks ago
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It was all too confusing. Since the amount was shown as real money, it was clear to me that it was REAL MONEY.
If this had been tied to requirements, the withdrawal would have been rejected immediately after the high winnings, which were also shown as REAL MONEY (as is the case with deposits. In that case, the withdrawal is not even possible if you have not wagered the deposit 3 times).
This was not the case here, and it was therefore no longer clear to me that it was not a withdrawable balance. In my opinion, the amount should have been shown as bonus money until a deposit was made! Everything else is opaque for the player! This is also how it is handled when a deposit is made.
Even if the withdrawal was subsequently cancelled (which could only be requested in the first place), the amount should have been credited to the player's account.
I think it's really impossible and unfair, every time you win something you have to ask. You play in the casino for so long and are allowed to deposit an unlimited amount, and then this happens.
Maybe the casino should consider declaring this as bonus money so that the player can clearly see whether the requirements have been met.
I cannot accept THAT.
I am happy to come to an amicable agreement with the casino, no question, but I will not simply accept it like that
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6 days ago
Thank you for the clarification WinDetta Casino representative.
I would like to ask if the player was at any point warned about this with a pop-up message or otherwise after finishing the wagering requirements. According to our Fair Gambling Codex, we believe it would be best if something like this was protected through software means but if it's not possible the casino should at least make the effort to warn the player during gameplay to prevent situations like this. Thank you in advance for the clarification!
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5 days ago
Dear Peter,
At the time when a bonus release happens, the user receives a pop-up notification about the limit.
Unfortunately, users do not always pay attention to this and continue to place further bets.
Sincerely,
Windetta Casino Risk Department
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5 days ago
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This image never appeared! And I have already received so many bonuses. This never appeared!
And since, as far as I know, every popup has a timestamp, it should be provable that this was not the case.
The money was shown as real money, and I wouldn't have been able to play the game with which I won so much with the bonus running! That's why every bonus requirement was met for me!
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