Provable fair isn’t nothing like it’s promised

Well I now found a second site that has altered provable fair rounds I should have won. Again same as the first site. Can’t show proof of my outcome on anything other than their house verifier. And of course it’s only going to show me what it wants me to see. But why can’t they show me on a verifier that theirs was coded after. I even used an sha-256 keno calculator ( which also gave me my exact hashed server seed) as well as 3 other sites verifiers and they all came out with the same exact outcome. That what I was playing should have been a win. If the outcome that they gave me was in fact the correct one. Then they should be able to prove it on another verifier other than their own. Provable fair isn’t as promised. If they tell use it can’t be alter then how is it being done. And if I can get the proper info using a verifier like my hashed server seed. Well then it’s not a bogus algorithm. And if one site now two sites can alter which they swear can’t be done. Well I can promise that they aren’t the only sites that do this. Gamba and luckydiamond are the two sites I have caught doing this. But I’m most 100% positive that one of the biggest only casinos is doing it as well. And that’s Stake. You can’t tell us as players to have 100% trust in a system. Telling us that the outcomes can not be alter in anyway for the casino to benefit. But yet I have caught two sites now that has. Where as Stake they have way more money coming in. So they can probably pay to cover up these rounds they have altered. As for these other sites. They have no clue what your even talking about when you come to them with this problem. It’s like they never knew you could verify any round from the start. It truly makes me wonder how much money I really have been cheated out of. Luckydiamond change 6 rounds to losses that I in fact should have won. Which was around 400-600 usd. I can’t say for sure because I was increasing my bet after so many bets. But I do know it was 6 rounds. Because it would match all 4 verifiers I checked nonce for nonce on when 1,2,3 would be a win on keno. Then there were 6 rounds that it didn’t match the other 4 verifiers. And then went right back to matching the other 4 sites. I know this because near me rinsing. I decided to switch my 3 numbers. And of course not long after I did the number 1,2,3 hit. Then I stopped playing that seed and switched it to verify it. And that was the nonce that luckydiamonds verifier went right back to matching the other verifiers. What’s really sad is I had all this proof that I was cheated out of my rounds. I took the time to make sure anyone could see and understand what happened. I came here asking for help. To fight for the players like they state they do. And I was denied. The reason given was because they view keno as a lotto style game. And they don’t do anything with that. Quite sad to say your here to fight for the players. And when a player has clear proof a online casino cheated. They turn their heads. Only so that they can let other players get cheated as well. But a big part of me feels like the real reason I was told that is because they know that provable fair isn’t as promised to players. And that would open up a big can of worms for any and all provable fair casinos. Causing them to take a huge hit in money they make for supporting online casino. And making everything snow ball from there. But that’s not my fault. It’s not my fault I am told that I can put my trust in something only for it to turn out to be just another scam like everything else. Don’t tell us it’s one thing when it’s not. That’s on yall not me. I have no issues at all losing. If that’s what’s supposed to happen. But don’t cheat me out of the wins should receive because I’m a smarter player. That’s your fault for offering the game to start with.

Unfortunately, without any proof, you won't go anywhere, you know.

Otherwise I would surely suggest contacting the licensing authority or the game provider with all this.

I have proof. For both. And as far as yall not helping my originally I’m pretty sure you have in your history the closed cases I have opened. You where one of the ones that wouldn’t help. Am I making up the part about you consider keno a lotto style game. And which case you don’t get involved with? Because how else would I know that. But when I looked in your terms. There was nothing that stated what you would help players with and what you wouldn’t. Only making what happened even more like a cover up to protect the casinos.

Isn’t that what yall are here for? To fight for the players who have been wronged. Again I’m not sure why you said that about proof. You think I’m going to bad mouth two casinos without proof of what I am saying.

As I said before, you always can contact the licensing authority of the casinos.

Unfortunately, we only deal with casino game-related issues, and it was explained to you many times before.

You only deal with casino game related issues? So when a casino game has been altered to a loss to benefit the casino. I am playing a game at a casino. The outcome wasn’t correct. Is that not a casino game related issue? Because anything other then that it’s written in all the casinos terms if a game freezes or anything other then them cheating they have no control and don’t have to pay out. But if a casino is treating a player in an unfair manor. Isn’t that what you’re here to help with. I love how you talk in circles first talking about proof. When if you truly couldn’t help. That would have been the first thing said instead of asking for proof. Would have been. Sry even though you have an issue related to how a casino game played. We can’t help you. We can only help with casino game related issues. You do understand how silly that looks and sounds right. Like take a min to think about what you just told me.

Mate, provably fair is not provably fair, do you know why, because none of these games are sanctioned by any licencing authority, easy as. Do not play games which have not been licenced by the MGA.

Casinos are not fair, they all have a house edge, if they claim they do not, run like hell mate. They are not charities, you win by means of volatility and that is it. And ultimately, you do not have proof without insight into their back end logic, that is what the licencing authorities are doing.

I hope this helps, I am a developer by the way.

Well, as I believe, your issue was related to KENO, which is a lottery-kind of game, and as explained to you before, we have nothing to do with lotteries. Easy said. 🤷‍♀️

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Hello provable fair keno is not a lotto based game. All the outcomes are predetermined. Meaning it knows exactly what numbers are going to hit before you click bet. It’s why you have verifiers for all house original games. Because we are told as players that provable fair can’t be changed to benefit the casino. That is players can trust and place bets in complete confidence when it comes to placing a bet using provable fair. So if that’s the case then when I place my bet then they surely shouldn’t be able to change the outcome of the game to benefit them. But they did. That’s straight up cheating. And stealing from a player. Lotto style or not your condoning casinos to steal from players by looking the other way in this matter. What you are saying is you want your cake and eat it too. You can’t say your here to help players who have been wrong by a casino but then pick and choose how or what you help with. Again if a casino cheats then you being here for the player should help regardless of what style game you think it is. And let’s be completely honest here. Every single game a casino offer is lotto style when it comes down too it. Isn’t that exactly how slots work and their algorithm. You are hoping for an exact set of number for the algorithm to hit for you to see a return on the slot your playing. So how is that any different from hoping to see a winning set of numbers on keno. And a winning combo on slots. They are both still based off numbers when it’s all said and done. Again like I said. I believe yall know this is a known issue with casinos. And your just trying to cover up for them. Because yall know if the truth came out it would only cause a lot of casino to pay out to players causing them to close. Then it snow balls to then making yall have no more casinos to sponsor and then this place shuts down. But my main thing is as a player to be told by every provable fair site that players can 100% put their trust into any bet they place and that they won’t be manipulated in anyway. For me to 100% trust them and put my hard earned money placing bets. For them to turn around and it not be as promised to us players and in fact they do alter the outcomes and cheat well that not only stealing. But also false advertising another big big no no for any company to do.

Well sure casinos cheat. But when it comes to provable fair. Every online casino that offers this style algorithm. Also states that players can have 100% faith in it. And the outcomes can not be altered in anyway shape or form to benefit the casino. Every single site states this that has provable fair. So how can you tell us players that we can bet with 100% confidence that the outcome will not be altered and that it physically can’t be altered. Saying that’s why we can trust it completely. All to be a total lie and give us even more false hope. Just imagine how many people put their trust into this. Because they all say it can’t be altered. And had every dime stolen from them when they should have won. And they ended up ending their life due to it. It’s not right at all to be told this by a casino and several at that matter. And just like we are told god is really people put just as much faith in provable fair. And they gave up because they were told one thing that there was no way it could happen. But yet it did and they STOLE every bit from that person they had no choice to to give up. This is so wrong on so many levels. And the fact that anyone just turns and looks away making an excuse saying it’s all online casinos. Well they are a poor excuse for a human being. People who steal get locked up and go to jail. And that’s what yall are saying is ok and it doesn’t matter it’s all casinos. But yet we are told it’s not possible. That’s what makes it even worse. And yet it’s justified and it’s ok. What’s wrong with yall. Don’t anyone know right from wrong. I don’t mind losing. But for it to be stolen from me. Well that should be acceptable by anyone. I’m really ashamed of y’all to even act like it’s OK that everyone’s doing it. Everyone’s jumping off a bridge are you or is everyone else? Yall people make me sick.

As explained before, we don't deal with such games.

Please contact the game provider or even the licensing authority.

And, actually, yes, we choose what we can help with; it is casino games only. No sports, no lottery. Simple.

Well forget keno take it out of the equation. Let’s talk about false advertising and lying to the players. About their provable fair system they offer to the players. Telling players that they can have complete confidence when placing a bet on their original games. What original games mean is games the casino itself offers. They are the provider, they are the ones who made the original outcome for the original games they offer. ( which includes crash, keno, hilo, mines, tower, limbo, dice, gems, black jack, and roulette). The original games only work off the provable fair system that is offered by them alone for the players. And we are told as players that we can have 100% confidence when we place our bet. That it has not and 100% can not be altered by the casino to benefit the casino. So as players we are to be able to place are bets without any concern at all that they can manipulate any outcome for any of the original games in their benefit. Well I have proof they are lying to players. Now my proof is keno itself but it’s the fact that we are told there is no way possible that they can alter rounds and we can bet with piece of mind. Well that’s far from the truth at all that they tell us players. Now all those games listed above are all lotto style games? Because all of those games use the same exact provable fair algorithm. And all I have is proof that their provable fair algorithm isn’t as promised to the players. Now it just so happens my proof was from keno. But again all those games use the exact same seed that keno uses.

Here is one sites that explains to players what provable fair is.

What is Provable Fairness?

Provable fairness is a fundamental concept in online gaming, designed to ensure that the outcomes of games are determined randomly and cannot be manipulated by the operator or any other party. This concept guarantees equal winning odds for all players, making every game outcome completely random and unpredictable.

Achieving Provable Fairness

To ensure each bet is provably fair, our platform employs a combination of essential elements:

Server-Side Seed: A random value generated by our system, acting as a key input for the random number generator.

Client-Side Seed: Uniquely generated by the player, this value allows players to exert influence on the outcome, adding an extra layer of fairness to the process.

Cryptographic Nonce: A distinct value used to secure the unpredictability of each game, preventing any form of result manipulation.

These components collectively function as inputs to the random number generator, determining the game's outcome in a manner that is transparent and verifiable.

Verifying Fairness

Players have the capability to verify the fairness of each game on our verification page. This transparency is crucial, allowing them to check server-side and client-side seeds, along with the cryptographic nonce.

Here is another sites meaning of provable fair.

luckybird random number generator creates provable fair random numbers that are used to determine the outcome of every game played on the site. The user is able to verify the outcome of every game in a fully deterministic way to ensure that luckybird has not chosen random numbers in favour of the Casino. By providing one parameter, the client seed to the inputs of the random number generator, luckybird is unable to manipulate the outcome in favour of the Casino.

The luckybird random number generator allows each game to request any amount of random numbers from a given client seed, server seed and a nonce. Every game on luckybird uses this list of random numbers to determine its outcome by converting them into:

- Numbers (roulette, dice)

Implementation

Inputs

Each user has one active client seed, one active server seed and a nonce incrementing once per game.

Client Seed

Server Seed

The server seed is generated by the server and is a random generated 64 character hex (0-9,a-f) string. luckybird publishes the sha256 (wikipedia) hash of the server seed for the active server seed.

The user can rotate the current server seed, this generates a new random active server seed and resets the nonce to 0. The previous server seed, now inactive, is then revealed and can be verified using the sha256 that was published while the seed was active.

Nonce

The nonce is a number that increments by one every time a game is played. This generates a unique input per game, but keeps verifying multiple games simple, since the nonce is the only parameter that changes.

Inputs to Bytes

A client seed, a server seed and a nonce are used as the input parameters for the random number generator.

{client_seed}: {nonce}: {round}

I would not even trust a regulatory body telling me games are fair, let alone a casino. Because they cannot be economical if "fair".

Perhaps leaving the casino would be the best solution for you.

Unfortunately, I am not going to say the same thing to you again and again, as you probably wish. I have already expressed our position in all this.