Warning / Be careful with stable tech / many top-rated casinos

First off: I don't like to criticize others, and I'm aware that there's a lot of (mostly) shady business going on with online offshore casinos, and that jobs at your site (Casino.Guru) indirectly depend on them. However, since the casinos in this group have (so far) received top ratings everywhere, I think it's worth issuing a brief warning if I've prevented even one more person from becoming a victim.

Thus, one less person who doesn't "lose" €1,500 of legitimate winnings. If you're in Telegram groups, perhaps warn others there; these casinos frequently offer bonuses of up to 500%, which explains their enormous popularity.

That's why I'm starting this thread here; perhaps CG's management will also give it some thought.

Recently, more and more former Dama/Hollycorn casinos have been operating under this new company (Stable Tech) without notification.

Currently at least these , in fact even more, and there will certainly be more.

Casinos, just like some gambling/hollycorn stalls, occasionally offer "RANDOM" bonus codes; you send in 3 bonus codes and the user "randomly" receives one of these 3 bonuses (values vary).

This happens about once a month, and sometimes at the sister casinos as well, in all casinos of this company instead of just two.

Hmm, a 200% bonus with 200 free spins and a fair maximum win of €3,000 on a €20 deposit. And a 33% chance of winning, okay, let's do it.

Back when Hollycorn/Dama Casinos were still around, I reported on something similar on gamblejoe. They offered a random bonus of (approximately) €20, €30, or €100 on deposits in their advent calendar, but unfortunately, I only received two bonuses of €20 and one of €30. I documented an example in 26 screenshots (also in English) here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/aTfgVeFiidgmnhZX6

In that thread I noted that 95% of users deposit directly via the main page. However, the software softswiss, which you use, also offers its own management tool within its profile; this "my profile" is almost always in smaller font in a menu that can only be opened by clicking.

And why shouldn't a standard user deposit via the clearly visible main navigation? Because most people do it that way, most don't notice this scam. Depositing via the hidden menu has the enormous advantage that in 90% of casinos you can immediately see whether the bonus works for you, and even with the more well-known "surprise XXX%" bonuses, you can immediately see the value, wagering requirements, validity period, etc.

Now this is perfect for us, because we can now be sure of getting the 200% bonus without relying on luck! :))) So let's see:

Due to file size limits, I'm posting these screenshots here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Y6N2j5u2mTLuLaoB9

Sometimes it still has "creative" ideas like this

80% with possibly only 5x revenue... Oh shoot, there were 31x "random" revenues everywhere. Coincidentally, in all involved parties, they didn't even bother to do anything about it, and for example, 29, 30x, etc., each with 1x.

Or often it says "You will randomly receive between 30 and 777 spins," and it's always under 100, almost always in the 50-70 spin range. Again, screenshots available upon request 😉

Unfortunately, I now suspect that they deliberately set up another Curacao operation for a few euros, and then simply continue running these previously reputable casinos with the same people behind them, just changing the name in the footer. Clever, because that way Dama/Hollycorn's reputation doesn't suffer (more) at the expense of their 50% reputable casinos. I'm willing to bet that in a year, for example, we'll see a flood of complaints about Stable Tech.

Then it also makes sense that these are the only casinos I know of that don't send out a mass email to users about data transfers when ownership changes, etc.

Unfortunately, there's nothing that can be done effectively. The licensing authority in Curacao doesn't care anyway, and players like CG & AskG 1) won't scare away the largest casino group, and 2) CG etc. can't do anything except accumulate unresolved complaints, while the casinos continue to maintain their top rankings, and very few people check if there are any unresolved complaints about Casino X. If you have any ideas on what might help put some pressure on "fair play," please post them.

If anyone in your management has "unofficial" channels to Holoecorn etc., it would be interesting to get a statement, also explaining why the owner was changed without notification, etc.

Fair enough, but this is truly beyond my abilities. I honestly have no input other than to say that Curacao is in ruins due to the mass resignations of the head commissioners; the situation with LOK did not end well. Thus, licenses like AOFA are considered perfectly fine, even if the quality is poor... There are no super inspectors to actively engage in licensing cases, either. Ideal time to escalate operations...

When it comes to warnings, I always say that just one number can never cover all eventualities; hence, I'd like to ask you, the players, to read the forum threads as well as recent complaints. The Safety Index is a complex number, but it only accounts for aspects that we can monitor, prove, and mathematically express.

Thank you for this post! 🙏

Radka, in my case it's €1,500. There are also often wins without a maximum win limit, especially with welcome offers. Imagine someone depositing 20% and winning a six-figure jackpot or higher. If they can just dismiss things with a single sentence and call it dead when you're only €1,500... then good luck in such a case.

I don't know the exact details/background, but in my experience, casinos ALWAYS make it difficult when you have to wager a bonus; I only know 3-4 casinos where sums of around 1,000 were paid out without any problems for 20 Euro bets.

Apparently, the casino then has to add to the player's winnings and not just the bonus amount; otherwise, certain practices/tricks wouldn't be used if my winnings only cost me the €40 bonus amount.

However, one should be able to expect that, especially as the largest provider, they calculate their payouts beforehand and ensure fair payouts. There are plenty of people who lose thousands of euros daily, and they could simply operate responsibly instead of spreading lies like the 200% bonus or the €200 bonus in February. Especially since I actually receive deposit bonuses of 300%, 400%, and recently even 500% at least once a month from these very casinos.

Interestingly, until about 3 weeks ago, these 300-500 bonuses were also without a win limit or at least a minimum of 3,000 euros, whereas for the last 2 weeks, the fine print has limited the win to 10 times the deposit amount, while the average is probably closer to 10 times the bonus amount.

For example, the bonuses from August, no limit

Then in November, the deposit limit was reduced to a fair 50x:

well, for the last two weeks.

Is all this just a coincidence? Changing the owner without any information and drastically limiting the limit from unlimited to ridiculously low? Simultaneously deleting profits with a single sentence and playing dead?

It's sad what's going on in the world these days, and that as a player you always have to scour bonus terms for words like "maximum." We know that 60-80% of providers are disreputable (see your reviews, and 70% aren't even listed because they quickly go offline). When you then notice such practices with a previously reputable operator, and even small amounts aren't paid out, it looks bleak for the gambling industry. Yes, people who don't receive their winnings are replaced by new customers from streamers, etc., but I find it truly appalling that even the market leader isn't playing fairly anymore. Their reputation is already ruined, and I doubt a new provider will appear tomorrow with a huge starting capital that can easily be used by 10 casinos, but where you know everything is fair, with no unfair hidden clauses, etc.

We've had this here in Switzerland for a few years now with the official online casinos, which offer top bonuses, handle issues via chat, and are professional, partly because they've been operating "real" land-based casinos for decades. But we'll probably see the opposite: they'll take money from little people even though they themselves would certainly have enough to last a lifetime...!

I believe bonus offers should always include clear rules. Players then have a chance to stay away from stupid offers with unfavorable limits and restrictions.

When it comes to voiding winnings, ADR services or pages like ours are here to investigate. Decent casinos explain why the balance was voided; the lower-quality casinos have always existed, though.

What I honestly can't very much understand is that some casinos seem like they do not care to lose the trust of their players even though the gambling industry is an extremely competitive environment and the costs for incentives to attract new players are very high. I just don't get it. 🙂

Operators want money; some want easy money, which is the answer to most of what you said. Moreover, these days, copying or cloning the casino with a different domain to start again is not an issue. Besides, the internet is full of scammers, and the digital age also brings contradictory information on every subject, including casinos' fairness.

Reduce this into the bone = Business.