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This has never happened before, and here it is again. Another Dragon Money scam story.

In short, the situation is as follows. The infamous Dragon Money casino approached streamer Gellemar (Turkish channel topbetBO) with an offer to stream. The terms are typical for such collaborations: the casino adds a certain amount to the deposit so that the stream breaks even. The streamer shows the game, the viewers watch, and everyone is happy.

The stream goes into a severe minus, after which Gellemar sits down to investigate, and here a lot of extremely strange things come to light.

Numbers:

Dead or Alive 3: Wanted slot, statistics obtained from the casino itself.

For the entire unloading:

Spins: 18,914

Total Bets: $3,369,709

Refund: $3,017,174

RTP: 89.5%

Separately for bonus purchases:

Bonuses purchased: 1,236

Delivered: $2,078,000

Refund: $1,883,460

RTP: 90.64% versus the manufacturer's stated 96.03%

The bonus in this slot costs 1,000 bets, and the maximum bet is 33,333. This means the bonus max win is only 33x the value. If you bought it for 1,000, the maximum bet is 33,000. Anyone who's played knows that's a low ceiling. People regularly hit these kinds of odds, otherwise, the stated 96% return would be impossible to achieve; there are no other sources.

Now for something delicious.

In 1,236 bonuses, not a single max win. Not a single one. Not even a single x20 win.

For comparison: same slot, different casino, Gellemar hit a max win on his fifteenth or twentieth purchase. Just as expected.

Slot Substitution & Visual

The visuals are a complete disaster. The mobile version of the Dragon Money slot doesn't look like the original. The bonus feature is triggered, the reels spin, but there's no spin counter—the spin bar is always blank (video attached). The casino says it's a bug. A bug of this magnitude from a provider of this caliber is unheard of. This happens when either the servers or the software are faulty.

Download from the casino:

Things get even funnier from here. Two tables were requested: one from NetEnt, the other from the casino. The logic is obvious: if the data matches, the matter is closed. If they diverge, it's immediately obvious where.

They sent me two files, absolutely identical. Same column names, same IDs, same spin times, right down to the last symbol. In other words, they copied and renamed the same file. These are different companies, different databases, different systems. It just doesn't happen that way.

A small but telling detail: the column in the "provider" file is called round_id_provider. This is the operator's name for the field. NetEnt has no reason to label its own numbers as "provider"—they are the provider.

More hell:

Incidentally, it took over two weeks to assemble the stats. Gellemar also played Jack Hammer 4 on the stream, which viewers saw. The uploaded file doesn't even include that slot. They spent two weeks putting it together and then forgot about the slot they played on camera.

Finale & Complaints:

My request is modest: remove the controversial version of the slot and recalculate the results based on the stated RTP. I wouldn't even cancel the game, although that would be fairer. I received a rude and mocking refusal.

The streamer's claim is about $300,000 in lost money. A direct download from NetEnt would have closed the whole thing in a minute. It still hasn't arrived. Draw your own conclusions—but if you were planning to visit the dragon, at least you've been warned now.

Hi, and thanks for taking the time to put all of this together. There is quite a lot to unpack here.

First of all, I would be careful about using the RTP figures alone as proof that the game was manipulated. 18,914 spins and 1,236 bonus purchases may sound like a huge sample from a player's perspective, but RTP is a long-term theoretical value that normally needs an enormously larger sample before actual results can be expected to approach it.

So an observed RTP of 89.5% or 90.64% certainly explains why the session felt extremely bad, but it doesn't by itself prove that a 96.03% game was running incorrectly. The same applies to not hitting a max win or a 20x bonus-buy return within those 1,236 purchases. Without knowing the exact mathematical probability distribution of those outcomes, we can't say how unusual that result actually is. Hitting a max win very quickly at another casino isn't really a reliable comparison either, since that's still just another individual run.

I also checked the official information for Dead or Alive 3: Wanted. NetEnt currently lists the game with a 96.03% RTP and a maximum payout of up to 66,666x the bet. So if the version that was actually being played at Dragon Money displayed different limits, rules, or behaviour, documenting the exact version and settings would be important.

What I find more interesting in what you've described are the technical points: the visual differences in the game, the missing information in the exported history, and especially your claim that two files supposedly coming from different sources were effectively identical.

Those points still don't allow us to conclude that the casino substituted or manipulated the game, but they would certainly deserve a proper explanation. Ideally, the strongest evidence would be confirmation or game-round data obtained directly from NetEnt/Evolution, independently of the casino. If the provider's records differed from the casino's records, that would be much more substantial than simply comparing the RTP of one playing session.

For context, Dragon Money currently has a Low Safety Index of 4.2 on Casino Guru, and based on our own review we already advise players to consider alternatives with a higher Safety Index.

So I wouldn't dismiss what you've posted, especially the questions surrounding the game records and the source of those files. I just wouldn't call the RTP results themselves evidence of manipulation yet. If you eventually receive something directly from NetEnt/Evolution confirming or contradicting the casino's data, please share the outcome here, because that could make the situation much clearer.

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