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Razed Casino - Player faces unjustified confiscation of funds.
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Case summary
The player from Germany contended that Razed Casino unjustifiably confiscated his remaining balance of $2,400, despite confirmations from his VIP host regarding a bonus without maximum payout constraints. After initially approving a withdrawal, the casino allegedly retracted it, citing inconsistent reasons. Frustrated by the lack of resolution, he had his account permanently closed and sought the immediate payout of his winnings. We asked the casino for timestamped records and evidence of any settlement, but it could not provide proof of an agreed final settlement and admitted the relevant Telegram conversation was unavailable after deletion. After reviewing the available screenshots and the casino’s explanations, the complaint was marked as resolved.
The player from Germany contended that Razed Casino unjustifiably confiscated his remaining balance of $2,400, despite confirmations from his VIP host regarding a bonus without maximum payout constraints. After initially approving a withdrawal, the casino allegedly retracted it, citing inconsistent reasons. Frustrated by the lack of resolution, he had his account permanently closed and sought the immediate payout of his winnings. We asked the casino for timestamped records and evidence of any settlement, but it could not provide proof of an agreed final settlement and admitted the relevant Telegram conversation was unavailable after deletion. After reviewing the available screenshots and the casino’s explanations, the complaint was marked as resolved.
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Davejan11
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Title: Unjustified confiscation of $2,400 remaining balance despite multiple VIP host confirmations and contradictory explanations
Description:
I am filing this complaint against Razed Casino because, after I had fulfilled all the conditions, the casino unjustifiably cancelled $2,400 from my account balance.
1. Facts & Multiple Reinsurance (Good Faith):
My assigned VIP host (Simon Råzed) offered me a 20% wager-based bonus via Telegram. Since I wanted to use the offer correctly, I explicitly asked the VIP host several times to check the terms and conditions.
On September 5th, the VIP host sent me a message explicitly correcting previous information, assuring me that there was no maximum payout amount, and making a binding commitment to pay out the bonus. Only after this double written confirmation did I use the bonus and wager it accordingly.
After receiving a credit of $4,900 and fulfilling the conditions, I requested a withdrawal of $2,000. The casino approved and processed this withdrawal after review. Only then did a manager (Connor) intervene and cancel the $2,400 remaining in the player's account. The fact that the first withdrawal was approved without issue demonstrates the casino's inconsistent procedures.
3. Contradictory claims of protection made by the casino:
The casino constantly changes the reason given for the cancellation:
Statement by manager Connor (Telegram): It was a "typo" by the host ("Wager" instead of "Loss").
Statement from the Complaints Team (email): Here the casino suddenly claims there was a "translation error".
Since all communication with the German-speaking VIP host took place in German, there was no translation at any point. The casino demonstrably made excuses to avoid honoring an official promise.
4. Player account, status & account closure:
I'm on Razed with a net loss of approximately $10,000. For clients with such high losses, generous VIP loyalty offers are absolutely standard practice. Therefore, I never had reason to suspect a system error and was justified in trusting the statements of the official VIP management.
Since the casino stubbornly refused, I have now had my player account permanently closed.
Financial support:
A VIP host acts as an authorized representative of the casino. Since I inquired several times and the host reviewed and confirmed the terms and conditions beforehand, I request the direct payout of my withheld $2,400 to my crypto wallet.
Titel: Ungerechtfertigte Konfiszierung von $2.400 Restguthaben trotz mehrfacher VIP-Host-Bestätigung und widersprüchlicher Begründungen
Beschreibung:
Ich reiche diese Beschwerde gegen Razed Casino ein, da mir das Casino nach Erfüllung aller Bedingungen unberechtigt $2.400 von meinem Kontoguthaben storniert hat.
Mein zugewiesener VIP-Host (Simon Råzed) bot mir per Telegram einen 20% wager-basierten Bonus an. Da ich das Angebot absolut korrekt nutzen wollte, habe ich mehrfach explizit beim VIP-Host nachgefragt, um die Konditionen zu prüfen.
Am 5. September schickte mir der VIP-Host eine Nachricht, in der er vorherige Angaben ausdrücklich korrigierte, mir versicherte, dass es keinen maximalen Auszahlungsbetrag gibt, und die Auszahlung des Bonus verbindlich zusagte. Erst nach dieser doppelten, schriftlichen Bestätigung habe ich den Bonus genutzt und regulär umgesetzt.
Nach der Gutschrift von $4.900 und dem Erfüllen der Bedingungen beantragte ich eine Auszahlung über $2.000. Das Casino hat diese Auszahlung nach Prüfung genehmigt und durchgeführt. Erst danach schaltete sich ein Manager (Connor) ein und stornierte die auf dem Spielerkonto verbliebenen $2.400. Dass die erste Auszahlung problemlos genehmigt wurde, zeigt das inkonsistente Vorgehen des Casinos.
3. Widersprüchliche Schutzbehauptungen des Casinos:
Das Casino wechselt ständig die Begründung für die Stornierung:
Aussage Manager Connor (Telegram): Es habe sich um einen „Tippfehler" des Hosts gehandelt („Wager" statt „Loss").
Aussage Complaints Team (E-Mail): Hier behauptet das Casino plötzlich, es gab einen „Übersetzungsfehler" (translation error).
Da die gesamte Kommunikation mit dem deutschsprachigen VIP-Host auf Deutsch stattfand, gab es zu keinem Zeitpunkt eine Übersetzung. Das Casino erfand nachweislich Ausreden, um ein offizielles Versprechen nicht einhalten zu müssen.
4. Spielerkonto, Status & Kontoschließung:
Ich stehe auf Razed bei einem Netto-Gesamtergebnis von ca. -$10.000. Bei Kunden mit derart hohen Verlusten sind hohe VIP-Treueangebote absolut üblich. Ich musste daher zu keinem Zeitpunkt von einem Systemfehler ausgehen, sondern durfte berechtigt auf die Aussagen des offiziellen VIP-Managements vertrauen.
Da das Casino stur abgeblockt hat, habe ich mein Spielerkonto inzwischen dauerhaft schließen lassen.
Forderung:
Ein VIP-Host handelt als autorisierter Vertreter des Casinos. Da ich mehrfach nachgefragt habe und der Host die Bedingungen vorab geprüft und bestätigt hat, fordere ich die Auszahlung meiner einbehaltenen $2.400 direkt auf mein Krypto-Wallet
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Karla
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Karla
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1 month ago
Dear Davejan11,
Thank you very much for submitting this complaint. I’m sorry to hear about the issue you’re experiencing. To better understand your situation, please allow me to ask you a few questions:
Could you please send me a link or a screenshot of the bonus you activated and played with?
What types of games did you play while the bonus was active? Did you mainly play one game, or did you switch between multiple games?
Kindly describe your gaming style in more detail (for example, bet sizes, frequency of play, or any noticeable changes during the bonus play).
Have you successfully completed the full KYC verification at this casino?
I hope we will be able to help you resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Karla M.
Dear Davejan11,
Thank you very much for submitting this complaint. I’m sorry to hear about the issue you’re experiencing. To better understand your situation, please allow me to ask you a few questions:
Could you please send me a link or a screenshot of the bonus you activated and played with?
What types of games did you play while the bonus was active? Did you mainly play one game, or did you switch between multiple games?
Kindly describe your gaming style in more detail (for example, bet sizes, frequency of play, or any noticeable changes during the bonus play).
Have you successfully completed the full KYC verification at this casino?
I hope we will be able to help you resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Karla M.
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Hello Karla,
Thank you very much for reviewing my case. Here are the direct answers to your questions, along with all relevant details:
1. Bonus Link/Screenshot: This was a personalized VIP loyalty offer directly from my VIP host (Simon Råzed) via Telegram, and not a public promotion. I'm attaching screenshots of the entire chat history, in which he explicitly confirmed the terms and conditions multiple times (including specific examples like $8,000 wager = $1,600 bonus, as well as the final written apology and promise of "no maximum payout" on September 5th).
2. Games played: I played regular slots on the platform and switched between different games regularly during the session.
3. Playing Style & Stakes: I played with normal, reasonable stakes that suited my account balance. My playing behavior was consistent throughout the entire session and without any noticeable patterns or manipulations.
4. KYC verification: Yes, my KYC verification was fully completed and successfully confirmed before the withdrawal request.
Important context & exact payout sequence:
After receiving the credit and playing through the funds, I initially requested a withdrawal of $2,000. The casino approved this withdrawal after internal review and successfully transferred it to my wallet.
When I subsequently requested a further $1,500 payout, manager Connor intervened, rejected the request, and canceled the entire remaining balance of $2,400.
The fact that the first withdrawal of over $2,000 was approved without any problems proves that my gambling behavior and the activation of the bonus were completely legitimate. Only with the second withdrawal request were excuses fabricated retroactively.
The casino offered three contradictory excuses:
The casino has given me three completely different and mutually exclusive reasons so far:
VIP host Simon (Telegram, Sept. 5): He had confused two bonus conditions (but then explicitly confirmed to me in writing "no Max Cashout").
Manager Connor (Telegram): It was simply a "typo" ("Wager" instead of "Loss").
Complaints team (email, Sept. 10): Suddenly, they are talking about a "translation error" – even though all communication with the German host took place in German.
Duty of care and acting in good faith:
Since my net total loss was approximately $10,000, high VIP retention offers seemed perfectly reasonable. Furthermore, I didn't blindly accept the offer, but explicitly contacted the host five times, providing accurate examples ($8,000 wager = $1,600 bonus / $17,000 wager = $3,400 bonus). The host confirmed each individual amount and reassured me. You can't expect more diligence from a player.
I am attaching all unedited screenshots of the chat histories and emails to this message as proof.
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I have more screenshots as proof that I would like to send you.
Hallo Karla,
vielen Dank für die Prüfung meines Falls. Hier sind die direkten Antworten auf Ihre Fragen sowie alle relevanten Details:
1. Link/Screenshot des Bonus: Es handelte sich um ein individuelles VIP-Treueangebot, das mir direkt von meinem VIP-Host (Simon Råzed) über Telegram angeboten wurde, und nicht um eine öffentliche Promotion. Ich hänge Screenshots des gesamten Chatverlaufs an, in denen er die Bedingungen mehrfach explizit bestätigt hat (inklusive konkreter Rechenbeispiele wie $8.000 Wager = $1.600 Bonus sowie der finalen schriftlichen Entschuldigung und Zusage von „kein maximaler Auszahlungsbetrag" am 5. September).
2. Gespielte Spiele: Ich habe ganz normale Slots auf der Plattform gespielt und während der Session regulär zwischen verschiedenen Spielen gewechselt.
3. Spielstil & Einsätze: Ich habe mit normalen, angemessenen Einsätzen gespielt, die zu meinem Kontostand passten. Mein Spielverhalten war über die gesamte Session hinweg konsistent und ohne auffällige Muster oder Manipulationen.
4. KYC-Verifizierung: Ja, meine KYC-Verifizierung war vor der Auszahlungsanfrage vollständig abgeschlossen und erfolgreich bestätigt.
Wichtiger Kontext & genaue Auszahlungsabfolge:
Nach der Gutschrift und dem Umspielen habe ich zunächst $2.000 beantragt. Das Casino hat diese Auszahlung nach interner Prüfung genehmigt und erfolgreich auf mein Wallet überwiesen.
Als ich danach weitere $1.500 zur Auszahlung anforderte, schaltete sich Manager Connor ein, lehnte die Anfrage ab und stornierte das gesamte Restguthaben von $2.400.
Dass die erste Auszahlung über $2.000 problemlos genehmigt wurde, beweist, dass mein Spielverhalten und die Freischaltung des Bonus vollkommen regulär waren. Erst beim zweiten Auszahlungsantrag wurden nachträglich Schutzbehauptungen konstruiert.
Dreifache, widersprüchliche Ausreden des Casinos:
Das Casino hat mir gegenüber bisher drei völlig unterschiedliche Begründungen genannt, die sich gegenseitig ausschließen:
VIP-Host Simon (Telegram, 5. Sept.): Er habe zwei Bonusbedingungen verwechselt (bestätigte mir danach aber ausdrücklich und schriftlich „kein Max Cashout").
Manager Connor (Telegram): Es habe sich um einen reinen „Tippfehler" (Typo) gehandelt („Wager" statt „Loss").
Complaints-Team (E-Mail, 10. Sept.): Hier wird plötzlich von einem „Übersetzungsfehler" (Translation Error) gesprochen – obwohl die gesamte Kommunikation mit dem deutschen Host auf Deutsch stattfand.
Sorgfaltspflicht und Handeln im guten Glauben (Good Faith):
Da ich bei einem Netto-Gesamtergebnis von ca. -$10.000 stehe, waren hohe VIP-Retention-Angebote für mich absolut plausibel. Zudem habe ich das Angebot nicht blind genutzt, sondern den Host über 5-mal explizit konfrontiert und korrekte Rechenbeispiele genannt ($8.000 Wager = $1.600 Bonus / $17.000 Wager = $3.400 Bonus). Der Host hat jeden einzelnen Betrag bestätigt und mich beruhigt. Mehr Sorgfalt kann man von einem Spieler nicht erwarten.
Ich hänge dieser Nachricht alle unedited Screenshots der Chatverläufe und E-Mails als Nachweis an.
Vie
Danke
Es sind noch mehr Screenshots die ich habe als Beweis die ich Ihnen zukommen lassen möchte
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Here are the rest
Hier die restlichen
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Hello Karla,
The Razed Complaints team just replied to me again via email (see attachment).
In it, the casino now officially admits that the contradictory information was a mistake by its own VIP employee ("any translation, typo, or mistype is simply a human mistake. We apologize for this once again").
However, the casino continues to refuse to accept financial responsibility for the errors and written commitments of its authorized VIP host, and declares the matter closed.
Since I, as a player, inquired several times in good faith and had written confirmation, the risk of this employee error clearly lies with the casino.
Best regards
Hallo Karla,
das Razed Complaints Team hat mir eben erneut per E-Mail geantwortet (siehe Anhang).
Darin gibt das Casino nun offiziell zu, dass die widersprüchlichen Angaben ein Fehler ihres eigenen VIP-Mitarbeiters waren („any translation, typo, or mistype is simply a human mistake. We apologize for this once again").
Das Casino weigert sich jedoch weiterhin, die finanzielle Verantwortung für die Fehler und schriftlichen Zusagen seines autorisierten VIP-Hosts zu übernehmen, und erklärt das Thema für sich als beendet.
Da ich als Spieler mehrfach im guten Glauben nachgefragt habe und die schriftliche Bestätigung vorliegen hatte, liegt das Risiko dieses Mitarbeiterfehlers eindeutig beim Casino.
Viele Grüße
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Hello Karla,
One important point I would like to add:
Because of the VIP host's explicit promise ("no max cashout") and the 20% bonus, I deposited significantly more of my own money and risked correspondingly higher stakes.
Had I gambled away all my money, the casino wouldn't have refunded my losses either, arguing that the VIP host had made a mistake. The casino gratefully accepts my large deposits and my risk, but refuses to pay out as soon as I win – and then blames it on a "human error".
The risk cannot lie solely with the player while the casino only benefits.
Best regards
Hallo Karla,
ein wesentlicher Punkt, den ich noch ergänzen möchte:
Ich habe aufgrund der expliziten Zusage des VIP-Hosts („kein Max Cashout") und 20% überhaupt erst deutlich mehr eigenes Geld eingezahlt und entsprechend höhere Einsätze riskiert.
Hätte ich mein gesamtes Geld verspielt, hätte das Casino meine Verluste auch nicht mit der Begründung erstattet, dass der VIP-Host einen Fehler gemacht hat. Das Casino nimmt meine hohen Einzahlungen und mein Risiko dankend an, verweigert aber die Auszahlung, sobald ich gewinne – und schiebt es dann auf einen „human mistake".
Das Risiko kann nicht einseitig beim Spieler liegen, während das Casino nur profitiert.
Viele Grüße
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And whether it makes mathematical sense or not may be true from their perspective, but then you have to take responsibility and abide by it, especially if you as a customer have asked so often and everything is answered with "yes, yes bro, you can ask again" and you are even turned down because you asked so often.
It's also important to me that customers see Razed doesn't stand behind "alleged mistakes" made by its own employees, and that should give everyone serious cause for concern, especially high rollers. The casino doesn't assume any responsibility.
Instead, the customer should take it over.
Hanz and Franz are being shut down, and the customer is left to suffer the consequences. It's that simple. I'm staying away from Razed and from any future Razed websites as well. This should serve as a warning to players who are thinking of registering elsewhere, so they see that Razed takes no responsibility; the customer does!
Whether I get my $2400 or not, my primary goal is to show what happened here and warn customers that they need to be careful!
Und ob es mathematisch keinen Sinn ergibt kann ja von deren Seite so sein , aber dann muss man Verantwortung übernehmen und sich daran halten , vorallem wenn man als Kunde so oft nachgefragt hat und alles mit ja , ja Bro , du kannst gerne nochmal fragen und sogar abgewiesen wird weil ich so oft nachgefragt habe .
Wichtig ist mir auch das die Kunden sehen Razed steht nicht für "angebliche Fehler "ihrer eigenen Mitarbeiter ein und das sollte jeden sehr große Bedenken geben vorallem wenn man Highroller ist das Casino übernimmt keine Verantwortung
Sonder der Kunde soll es übernehmen
Hanz und Franz wird eingestellt und der Kunde soll es ausbaden ganz einfach ich halte von Razed Abstand und die zukünftigen neuen Seiten von razed ebenfalls. das soll eine Warnung auch für Spieler sein die sich wo neu anmelden wollen damit sie sehen Razed übernimmt keine Verantwortung sondern der Kunde!
Ob ich meine 2400$ bekomme oder nicht, an erster Stelle will ich zeigen was hier passiert ist und das Kunden gewarnt werden und sehen hier muss ich Vorsichtig sein!.
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Karla
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1 month ago
Hello Davejan11,
We would like to update you that due to Karla, your designated resolver, being on vacation, we have opted to extend the timeline by an additional 7 days. Since Karla has an in-depth understanding of your situation and maintains direct communication with the casino, we find this extension justified. Your patience is sincerely appreciated, and I assure you that Karla will contact you at the earliest opportunity.
Thank you for your understanding and ongoing patience.
Best regards, Casino Guru
Hello Davejan11,
We would like to update you that due to Karla, your designated resolver, being on vacation, we have opted to extend the timeline by an additional 7 days. Since Karla has an in-depth understanding of your situation and maintains direct communication with the casino, we find this extension justified. Your patience is sincerely appreciated, and I assure you that Karla will contact you at the earliest opportunity.
Thank you for your understanding and ongoing patience.
Best regards, Casino Guru
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Hello, is this case being processed now or not? Two weeks have been wasted for nothing.
No answer, nothing, simply nothing.
Hallo wird der Fall jetzt bearbeitet oder nicht es sind 2 Wochen um für nichts ?
Keine Antwort nichts einfach nichts
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Dear Davejan11,
Thank you for your cooperation and for providing all the necessary information. I truly appreciate the time and effort you’ve taken to share everything with us so far.
Your complaint will now move to the next stage of our process and be handled by your dedicated Resolver, Martina, (martina.b@casino.guru). This is a standard step in our procedure, as the Resolver will take over communication with the casino directly and manage your case from this point onward.
No action is required from you right now. Your Resolver will reach out through this thread if any additional details are needed. You can rest assured that your case is in very capable hands.
I wish you the best of luck and hope your case will be resolved to your satisfaction soon.
Kind regards,
Karla Mayfly
Dear Davejan11,
Thank you for your cooperation and for providing all the necessary information. I truly appreciate the time and effort you’ve taken to share everything with us so far.
Your complaint will now move to the next stage of our process and be handled by your dedicated Resolver, Martina, (martina.b@casino.guru). This is a standard step in our procedure, as the Resolver will take over communication with the casino directly and manage your case from this point onward.
No action is required from you right now. Your Resolver will reach out through this thread if any additional details are needed. You can rest assured that your case is in very capable hands.
I wish you the best of luck and hope your case will be resolved to your satisfaction soon.
Kind regards,
Karla Mayfly
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Dear Davejan11,
My name is Martina and from now on, I will assist you with resolving your complaint. I am sorry for the situation you found yourself in. I will contact the casino and try my best to resolve the issue as soon as possible.
Now I would like to invite Razed Casino representative to join this conversation and participate in the resolution of this complaint.
Dear casino representative, could you please provide more information about this case?
Thank you in advance for providing the information.
Dear Davejan11,
My name is Martina and from now on, I will assist you with resolving your complaint. I am sorry for the situation you found yourself in. I will contact the casino and try my best to resolve the issue as soon as possible.
Now I would like to invite Razed Casino representative to join this conversation and participate in the resolution of this complaint.
Dear casino representative, could you please provide more information about this case?
Thank you in advance for providing the information.
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I'm happy to be there, I'm waiting for a reply, thank you.
Ich bin da gerne ich warte auf eine Antwort danke Ihnen
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I'm willing to compromise and find a solution; I don't want any harm done, so I'm hoping for a solution from Razed's side. I already know Razed's position. Now it's time for Razed to find a solution; I've done everything right.
Ich bin Kompromiss bereit eine Lösung zu finden ich möchte keinen Schaden, also hoffe ich auf eine Lösung von razed Seite aus , Standpunkt von razed weiss ich schon. Jetzt ist es an der Zeit eine Lösung zu finden von razed Seite aus , ich habe alles richtig gemacht
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I'm being messaged privately. Now I'm being accused of deleting a chat. Great, it fits like a glove.
Ich werde privat angeschrieben Mir werden jetzt Vorwürfe gemacht wieso ich ein Chat lösche super aufjedenfall es passt wie die Faust aufs Auge
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Hi Martina,
I hope you're well. Disappointing to see this case is being raised after dealing with it directly with Dave via Telegram. Especially following the issuing of a goodwill bonus and his acknowledgment/acceptance of the mistake - it seems he has deleted the conversation for both parties.
In any case, Dave received a bespoke offering to him which incorrectly stated the term 'wager' instead of 'losses'. As seen in the evidence provided by Dave himself, the offer was to grant a bonus amount equivalent to 20% of his "wager" and not losses. Whilst we accept the mistake made in human error, it would be unreasonable for anyone to consider this bonus offering as being legitimate when considering our RTP is 96-99%. Assumed losses per dollar of wager is between 1-4 cents and this offer is returning 20c per dollar wagered - effectively a money printing machine.
Again, and something that was previously communicated to Dave - We own the mistake and apologise that the wrong term was communicated. From the time stamp of Dave receiving the offer to the bonus being credited, he deposited $110.45 USD - an amount that I would decline his claims of being substantial. From this, he withdrew $2,000 USD and had his second withdrawal of $2,400 USD cancelled by myself following the discovery of the error.
From receipt of the offer to addressing the error with Dave himself - he gained $1,889.55 USD in profit. It was mentioned in the conversation that we were happy for him to keep the funds in error as a gesture of goodwill, however, it is important to note our terms and conditions in which all players must agree to in order to create an account -
"8.4 If the Casino mistakenly credit your Player Account with a deposit, bonus or winnings that do not belong to you, whether due to a technical issue, error in the pay tables, human error or otherwise, the amount and/or the winnings from such bonus or deposit will remain the Casino property and will be deducted from your Player Account. If you have withdrawn funds that do not belong to you prior to us becoming aware of the error, the mistakenly paid amount will (without prejudice to other remedies and actions that may be available at law) constitute a debt owed by you to us. In the event of an incorrect crediting, you are obliged to notify us immediately by email."
Let me know if you have any further questions.
Best,
Connor Razed
Hi Martina,
I hope you're well. Disappointing to see this case is being raised after dealing with it directly with Dave via Telegram. Especially following the issuing of a goodwill bonus and his acknowledgment/acceptance of the mistake - it seems he has deleted the conversation for both parties.
In any case, Dave received a bespoke offering to him which incorrectly stated the term 'wager' instead of 'losses'. As seen in the evidence provided by Dave himself, the offer was to grant a bonus amount equivalent to 20% of his "wager" and not losses. Whilst we accept the mistake made in human error, it would be unreasonable for anyone to consider this bonus offering as being legitimate when considering our RTP is 96-99%. Assumed losses per dollar of wager is between 1-4 cents and this offer is returning 20c per dollar wagered - effectively a money printing machine.
Again, and something that was previously communicated to Dave - We own the mistake and apologise that the wrong term was communicated. From the time stamp of Dave receiving the offer to the bonus being credited, he deposited $110.45 USD - an amount that I would decline his claims of being substantial. From this, he withdrew $2,000 USD and had his second withdrawal of $2,400 USD cancelled by myself following the discovery of the error.
From receipt of the offer to addressing the error with Dave himself - he gained $1,889.55 USD in profit. It was mentioned in the conversation that we were happy for him to keep the funds in error as a gesture of goodwill, however, it is important to note our terms and conditions in which all players must agree to in order to create an account -
"8.4 If the Casino mistakenly credit your Player Account with a deposit, bonus or winnings that do not belong to you, whether due to a technical issue, error in the pay tables, human error or otherwise, the amount and/or the winnings from such bonus or deposit will remain the Casino property and will be deducted from your Player Account. If you have withdrawn funds that do not belong to you prior to us becoming aware of the error, the mistakenly paid amount will (without prejudice to other remedies and actions that may be available at law) constitute a debt owed by you to us. In the event of an incorrect crediting, you are obliged to notify us immediately by email."
Let me know if you have any further questions.
Best,
Connor Razed
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Hello Martina,
Thank you for your feedback. I would like to clarify the following points regarding the casino representative's statements:
Multiple reassurances and protection of trust: This was not an anonymous system error, but an individual offer from my assigned VIP host. I did not rely on a vague offer, but explicitly inquired with VIP support and asked several times. The offer was confirmed to me in writing ("no maximum cashout"). As a customer, I must be able to rely on the binding statements of the official VIP management.
Causality of deposits & risk: Trusting this assurance from the official representative, I adjusted my gambling behavior, made further deposits, and thus assumed a correspondingly high risk on the platform. Had I gambled away my money, the casino would have kept these losses and would not have claimed an error.
No exploitation of system errors: I have neither exploited bugs nor violated terms and conditions. If an officially authorized VIP manager agrees to certain conditions, the risk lies with the provider and cannot be subsequently canceled to the customer's detriment once profits have been generated.
Chat logs: All evidence, emails and chat logs that prove the error and the VIP host's promise are already fully available as screenshots in this case.
I remain interested in a fair and amicable solution.
Best regards
Davejan11
Hallo Martina,
vielen Dank für die Rückmeldung. Ich möchte zu den Aussagen des Casino-Vertreters folgende Punkte klarstellen:
Mehrfache Rückversicherung & Vertrauensschutz: Es handelte sich hierbei nicht um einen anonymen Systemfehler, sondern um ein individuelles Angebot meines zugewiesenen VIP-Hosts. Ich habe mich nicht auf ein vages Angebot verlassen, sondern mich beim VIP-Support explizit erkundigt und mehrfach nachgefragt. Das Angebot wurde mir schriftlich bestätigt („kein Max Cashout"). Als Kunde muss ich mich auf die verbindlichen Aussagen des offiziellen VIP-Managements verlassen können.
Kausalität für Einzahlungen & Risiko: Vertrauend auf diese Zusage des offiziellen Vertreters habe ich mein Spielverhalten angepasst, weitere Einzahlungen getätigt und ein entsprechend hohes Risiko auf der Plattform getragen. Hätte ich mein Geld verspielt, hätte das Casino diese Verluste behalten und sich nicht auf einen Fehler berufen.
Kein Ausnutzen von Systemfehlern: Ich habe weder Bugs ausgenutzt noch AGB gebrochen. Wenn ein offiziell bevollmächtigter VIP-Manager Bedingungen zusagt, liegt das Risiko beim Anbieter und kann nicht nachträglich zu Lasten des Kunden storniert werden, sobald Gewinne erzielt wurden.
Chat-Protokolle: Sämtliche Beweise, E-Mails und Chat-Logs, die den Fehler und die Zusage des VIP-Hosts belegen, liegen diesem Fall bereits vollständig als Screenshot vor.
Ich bin weiterhin an einer fairen und einvernehmlichen Lösung interessiert.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Davejan11
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I'm really sad that they're trying to corner me, it's a real shame.
Ich bin echt traurig das man mich versucht in die Ecke zu drängen echt schade
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Incorrect deposit figures:
The casino's claim that I only deposited $110.45 is completely untrue. The casino is attempting to artificially reduce my actual deposits to make my winnings appear "disproportionate." I demand that the casino disclose my complete transaction history instead of using inaccurate figures as an argument.
Falsche Einzahlungszahlen:
Die Behauptung des Casinos, ich hätte nur $110,45 eingezahlt, entspricht absolut nicht den Tatsachen. Das Casino versucht hier, meine tatsächlichen Einzahlungen künstlich kleinrechnen zu lassen, um die Gewinne als „unverhältnismäßig" darzustellen. Ich fordere das Casino auf, den vollständigen Transaktionsverlauf meiner Einzahlungen offenzulegen, anstatt fehlerhafte Zahlen als Argument zu nutzen
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I deposited several thousand euros in the month I received that, even $1500-$3000.
Razed, please disclose my deposits. $110 is absolutely not true; they're trying to downplay it.
Ich habe mehrere tausend Euros in dem Monat wo ich das bekommen habe sogar 1500-3000$ eingezahlt,
Razed bitte legt meine Einzahlungen offen 110$ ist absolut nicht wahr hier wird versucht das klein zu reden
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Martina, I'm with Razed - $8,000 to $10,000, that's a false statement about what they're doing.
Martina ich bin bei razed -8000$ bis 10.000$ das ist eine Falschaussage was die machen
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Dear Razed Casino,
Please provide the dated exchange in which Davejan11 acknowledged the mistake and accepted the $2,000 payment as a final resolution of the remaining balance, as you described in your response. If that exchange is no longer available, please confirm this and clarify whether any final settlement was expressly agreed.
I will then assess that point alongside the VIP host’s repeated written confirmations and the subsequent bonus credit.
Dear Razed Casino,
Please provide the dated exchange in which Davejan11 acknowledged the mistake and accepted the $2,000 payment as a final resolution of the remaining balance, as you described in your response. If that exchange is no longer available, please confirm this and clarify whether any final settlement was expressly agreed.
I will then assess that point alongside the VIP host’s repeated written confirmations and the subsequent bonus credit.
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That was on August 28, 2026. Now I'm curious about Razed's statement.
das war am 28.august 2026 jetzt bin ich auf das Statement von razed gespannt
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Martina, you can see for yourself, look at my deposit and my net loss. Razed is playing games here, sorry, but I absolutely cannot understand why they're doing this.
Martina du siehst selbst das ganze schau dir meine Einzahlung und mein nettoverlust an hier werden seitens razed spiele getrieben sorry absolut nicht nachvollziehbar für mich wieso die sowas machen
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Martina, as mentioned - the user has deleted the conversation. The offer was communicated to the player as of the evening of the 2nd September/early morning 3rd September - dependant on time zone. From the moment of receiving the offer to withdrawing the funds, the users total deposits were $110.45 USD.
From this ordeal, the user profited $1,889.55 USD and received a $250 USD bonus as a gesture of goodwill on top.
If this continues, I am happy to invoke our rights following our terms and conditions and request the return of the $2,000 USD in which we were happy for Dave to originally keep.
Best,
Connor Razed
Martina, as mentioned - the user has deleted the conversation. The offer was communicated to the player as of the evening of the 2nd September/early morning 3rd September - dependant on time zone. From the moment of receiving the offer to withdrawing the funds, the users total deposits were $110.45 USD.
From this ordeal, the user profited $1,889.55 USD and received a $250 USD bonus as a gesture of goodwill on top.
If this continues, I am happy to invoke our rights following our terms and conditions and request the return of the $2,000 USD in which we were happy for Dave to originally keep.
Best,
Connor Razed
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Dear Razed Casino,
Please provide the dated exchange supporting your statement that the player accepted the $2,000 payment as a final settlement of the remaining balance. If it is unavailable, please confirm whether a final settlement was expressly agreed.
You also cited $110.45 in deposits between the offer and the bonus credit. Please specify the dates used for that calculation, so I can distinguish it from the player’s evidence of deposits over a longer period.
Dear Razed Casino,
Please provide the dated exchange supporting your statement that the player accepted the $2,000 payment as a final settlement of the remaining balance. If it is unavailable, please confirm whether a final settlement was expressly agreed.
You also cited $110.45 in deposits between the offer and the bonus credit. Please specify the dates used for that calculation, so I can distinguish it from the player’s evidence of deposits over a longer period.
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Dear Martina,
You seem to not be reading my correspondence. I can't confirm any further then again telling you that it is unavailable following the deletion of the conversation. In any case, the date of bonus offer was September 3rd, 2026 and bonus credit was as of 07:00 UTC September 4th, 2026. In this timeframe, the user deposited $110.45 USD and subsequently withdrew $2,000 USD of the error bonus funds that were added.
Best,
Connor Razed
Dear Martina,
You seem to not be reading my correspondence. I can't confirm any further then again telling you that it is unavailable following the deletion of the conversation. In any case, the date of bonus offer was September 3rd, 2026 and bonus credit was as of 07:00 UTC September 4th, 2026. In this timeframe, the user deposited $110.45 USD and subsequently withdrew $2,000 USD of the error bonus funds that were added.
Best,
Connor Razed
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Hello Martina,
The casino representative's response now officially confirms two things:
No evidence of an agreement: The casino admits that it cannot provide any evidence of the alleged agreement.
Cherry-picking: The casino continues to try to reduce deposits to a narrow 24-hour window, even though my uploaded account statistics clearly show that as a loyal player I have made a total deposit of over $25,000 and over $4,300 in the last month alone.
Since the casino can neither provide evidence of an agreed cancellation nor deny that the VIP host repeatedly confirmed the bonus offer without Max Cashout in writing, I request your final assessment of the case.
Best regards
Davejan11
Hallo Martina,
die Antwort des Casino-Vertreters bestätigt nun offiziell zwei Dinge:
Keine Nachweise für eine Vereinbarung: Das Casino räumt ein, keinerlei Belege für die angebliche Einigung vorlegen zu können.
Rosinenpicken bei Zahlen: Das Casino versucht weiterhin, Einzahlungen auf ein enges Zeitfenster von 24 Stunden zu reduzieren, obwohl meine hochgeladenen Kontostatistiken ganz klar belegen, dass ich als treuer Spieler ein Gesamtdeposit von über $25.000 und allein im letzten Monat über $4.300 getätigt habe.
Da das Casino weder Beweise für eine geeinigte Stornierung erbringen kann noch leugnen kann, dass der VIP-Host das Bonusangebot ohne Max Cashout mehrfach schriftlich zugesagt hat, bitte ich um deine abschließende Bewertung des Falls.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Davejan11
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I don't need the $2400, but it's important to me to make a statement and warn other players, and that's the right thing to do.
There's nothing more to say to those who expose such false claims, which I have documented with screenshots regarding my deposits and losses; it's a real shame.
Ich brauche die 2400$ nicht aber mir ist wichtig ein Statement zu setzen und andere Spieler zu warnen und das ist richtig so wie es sich gehört .
Wer hier solche Falschbehauptungen offen legt die ich mit Screenshots nieder gelegt habe was meine Einzahlungen und Verlust angeht kann man nichts mehr zu sagen , sehr sehr schade
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Hello Martina,
Instead of providing the evidence you requested for an alleged settlement, the casino representative is now resorting to open pressure and threatening me in the arbitration proceedings with demanding the return of funds already paid out.
This demonstrates the unfair practices of this provider more clearly than ever:
No evidence: The casino still cannot provide any records or evidence to support its claims.
Intimidation instead of arguments: Instead of objectively addressing the mistakes of their own VIP host, attempts are made to silence the player through threats.
I will not be intimidated by such threats and I rely completely on your neutral, final assessment of this case.
Best regards
Davejan11
Hallo Martina,
anstatt die von dir geforderten Beweise für eine angebliche Einigung vorzulegen, greift der Casino-Vertreter nun zu offenem Druck und droht mir im Schlichtungsverfahren damit, bereits ausgezahlte Gelder zurückzufordern.
Das zeigt deutlicher denn je die unfairen Praktiken dieses Anbieters:
Keine Beweise: Das Casino kann nach wie vor keine Protokolle oder Belege für ihre Behauptungen vorlegen.
Einschüchterung statt Argumente: Anstatt sich sachlich den Fehlern des eigenen VIP-Hosts zu stellen, wird versucht, den Spieler durch Drohungen mundtot zu machen.
Ich lasse mich von solchen Drohgebärden nicht einschüchtern und verlasse mich vollkommen auf deine neutrale, finale Bewertung dieses Falls.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Davejan11
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Consequence of a reversal: Should Razed Casino seriously attempt to retroactively contest the entire transaction due to an alleged "mistake," I demand, in return, a full refund of all my deposits. With a proven net loss exceeding $10,300 (out of over $25,800 in total deposits), the casino would be obligated to reimburse me over $10,000 in this case.
Konsequenz einer Rückabwicklung: Sollte Razed Casino ernsthaft versuchen, den Vorgang wegen eines angeblichen „Irrtums" komplett rückwirkend anzufechten, fordere ich im Gegenzug die vollständige Rückabwicklung all meiner Einzahlungen. Bei einem nachgewiesenen Nettoverlust von über $10.300 (bei über $25.800 Gesamteinzahlungen) müsste mir das Casino in diesem Fall über $10.000 erstatten
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Anyone who makes threats here as a manager of razed is completely out of their mind. I will report this to the licensing authority; this is clearly going too far on the part of razed.
Wer hier droht als Manager von razed , hat sie nicht mehr alle. ich werde das der Lizenz Behörde melden das geht eindeutig zu weit von razed
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Dave, when you delete all conversations via Telegram - of course it is going to be tough to provide the requested evidence. I am happy to provide all evidence surrounding time stamped offer send, deposits, bonus credited and withdrawal in the mentioned time frame.
"Intimidation instead of arguments: Instead of objectively addressing the mistakes of their own VIP host, attempts are made to silence the player through threats."
There is no threats, we acted above what was required as per our T's and C's and allowed you to keep the $2,000 USD in funds that were given in human error. You subsequently acknowledged the mistake, requested a small bonus as a gesture of good faith in which was granted - then deleted the chat, and suggest none of this ever happen. When users act in this way, we are more inclined to no longer act in good faith and assume actions are being made to negatively harm the brand.
I have repeatedly admitted error on the behalf of the employee. This error allowed you to profit and $1,889.55 USD with no negative outcome for you as an individual.
Best,
Connor Razed
Dave, when you delete all conversations via Telegram - of course it is going to be tough to provide the requested evidence. I am happy to provide all evidence surrounding time stamped offer send, deposits, bonus credited and withdrawal in the mentioned time frame.
"Intimidation instead of arguments: Instead of objectively addressing the mistakes of their own VIP host, attempts are made to silence the player through threats."
There is no threats, we acted above what was required as per our T's and C's and allowed you to keep the $2,000 USD in funds that were given in human error. You subsequently acknowledged the mistake, requested a small bonus as a gesture of good faith in which was granted - then deleted the chat, and suggest none of this ever happen. When users act in this way, we are more inclined to no longer act in good faith and assume actions are being made to negatively harm the brand.
I have repeatedly admitted error on the behalf of the employee. This error allowed you to profit and $1,889.55 USD with no negative outcome for you as an individual.
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Connor Razed
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Razed Casino: Instead of seeking a fair solution, a former customer is being targeted and pressured. When I'm publicly threatened with the repayment of already paid-out money if I don't remain silent, I feel threatened and will address this issue here.
You know perfectly well what went wrong at your company, and you should just own up to it. Just look at my net loss of over $10,000.
I really wonder how you can treat your customers like this. Even if you pay me the confiscated 2,400, I'm still sitting on almost 8,000 in pure loss with you.
Razed Casino: Anstatt eine faire Lösung zu suchen, wird ein ehemaliger Kunde angegangen und unter Druck gesetzt. Wenn mir öffentlich damit gedroht wird, bereits ausgezahltes Geld zurückzufordern, falls ich nicht schweige, fühle ich mich bedroht und werde das hier auch genauso ansprechen.
Ihr wisst ganz genau, was bei euch schiefgelaufen ist, und solltet einfach dazu stehen. Schaut euch alleine meinen Nettoverlust von über -10.000 $ bei euch an.
Ich frage mich wirklich, wie man so mit seinen Kunden umgehen kann. Selbst wenn ihr mir die konfiszierten 2.400 auszahlt, sitze ich bei euch immer noch auf fast 8.000 reinem Verlust
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Razed Casino:
I want to find a solution; we don't need to argue.
Are you ready to find a solution, yes or no?
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Ich will eine Lösung finden wir müssen uns doch nicht streiten
Seit ihr bereit eine Lösung zu finden ja oder nein ?
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Dear Razed Casino,
Thank you for offering to provide the evidence. Please share the timestamped records for when the offer was sent, the deposits made during the period you identified, the bonus credit, and the $2,000 withdrawal. I will review those records alongside the player’s screenshots.
Dear Razed Casino,
Thank you for offering to provide the evidence. Please share the timestamped records for when the offer was sent, the deposits made during the period you identified, the bonus credit, and the $2,000 withdrawal. I will review those records alongside the player’s screenshots.
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Razed Casino, I don't want to harm you, I've always been satisfied with you since the beginning, it's just that this one time what happened has completely gone out of control on your part.
I neither posted anything nor commented anywhere.
I haven't said or claimed anything against the brand or anything like that; I came to Casino Guru in good faith and wanted to try to clarify things here.
Razed Casino ich will euch nicht schaden ich war immer zufrieden mit euch seit Anfang an war ich bei euch gewesen nur das eine Mal jetzt was passiert ist total aus dem Ruder gelaufen von euch aus .
Ich habe weder wo etwas gepostet weder habe ich kommentiert.
Ich habe nichts gegen die Marke gesagt behauptet oder sonst etwas ich bin guten Willens zu Casino guru gekommen und wollte versuchen das hier miteinander zu klären .
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The bonus offer was made on September 3, 2026, and the bonus was credited on September 4, 2026, at 7:00 AM.
That's not true, Razed Casino. I received the offer earlier, and then they tried to make excuses. So you need to check deposits one week in advance.
September 3-4th is absolutely wrong because I received the offer a week earlier.
. Das Bonusangebot erfolgte jedenfalls am 3. September 2026 und die Bonusgutschrift am 4. September 2026 um 7:00
Stimmt nicht razed Casino ich habe das Angebot früher bekommen und dann wollte man sich rausreden also müsst ihr 1 Woche vorher Einzahlungen nach schauen
3-4 September absolut falsch weil ich 1 Woche vorher schon das Angebot bekommen habe
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I received the offer a week in advance and had deposited extra money for the 20% discount. Martina, you can see the screenshots where the VIP host also says that at the end of the week we'll see, etc.
Ich habe das Angebot vorher bekommen 1 Woche und extra eingezahlt gehabt wegen 20% , Martina du siehst ja die Screenshots wo der VIP Host das ja auch sagt am Ende der Woche sehen wir dann usw
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So, deposits from the entire week must be taken into account, not just one day 🤣
Also Einzahlungen von der Woche müssen berücksichtigt werden und nicht 1 Tag 🤣
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Please remember to include deposits made between August 31, 2026 and September 4, 2026. Thank you.
Es müssen Einzahlungen von 31.08.2026 bis 04.09.2026 berücksichtigt werden nicht vergessen danke
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Here again as proof: the offer was earlier and not on September 3-4th.
hier nochmal als Nachweis das Angebot war früher gewesen und nicht 3-4 September
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On Thursday, the host then mentioned 15% to 20% and apologized for the false statement, and then he specifically said, "But be excited, you'll get something big on Friday, and without the maximum cashout."
Am Donnerstag sprach der Host dann von 15% 20% und entschuldigte sich für Falschaussage und dann sagte er extra aber sei gespannt du bekommst am Freitag was fettes und ohne max cashout dann
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This is so complicated, it's giving me a headache 😔
Das ist leider so kompliziert das ganze Kopfschmerzen 😔
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And again, I think Razed Casino is one of the best casinos on the market, but you still have to stand 100% behind the host's statement.
Und nochmal ich finde razed Casino ist eins der besten Casinos auf dem Markt aber trotzdem muss man 100% hinter der Aussage vom Host stehen
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We'd like to inform everyone following this case that the player has marked this complaint as resolved using the dedicated button.
Dear Davejan11,
We are pleased to hear that your issue has been resolved. We will mark the complaint as 'Resolved' in our system. Thank you for your cooperation and confirmation. If you experience any future issues with this or any other casino, please don’t hesitate to reach out to our Complaint Resolution Center. We are here to assist you.
As always, our services are free of charge, and we do not accept any gratuities. However, we would greatly appreciate it if you could take a moment to share your experience with our services on Trustpilot: https://trustpilot.com/evaluate/casino.guru. Your honest review, along with any suggestions for improvement, would be incredibly valuable. It can also help others who are considering contacting us for assistance with online casino-related matters.
Thank you in advance for your time and feedback.
Best regards,
Martina
We'd like to inform everyone following this case that the player has marked this complaint as resolved using the dedicated button.
Dear Davejan11,
We are pleased to hear that your issue has been resolved. We will mark the complaint as 'Resolved' in our system. Thank you for your cooperation and confirmation. If you experience any future issues with this or any other casino, please don’t hesitate to reach out to our Complaint Resolution Center. We are here to assist you.
As always, our services are free of charge, and we do not accept any gratuities. However, we would greatly appreciate it if you could take a moment to share your experience with our services on Trustpilot: https://trustpilot.com/evaluate/casino.guru. Your honest review, along with any suggestions for improvement, would be incredibly valuable. It can also help others who are considering contacting us for assistance with online casino-related matters.
Thank you in advance for your time and feedback.
Best regards,
Martina
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