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Question about Gambling websites with Curaçao license using incorrect Merchant Category code (sida 464)

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10 månader sedan

Is it this? I thought it was identifying documented cases of fraud used to illegally obtain funds and not specifically about gambling addicts or people with bank blocks. This is what I mean with Casino Guru - masking transactions in this way is fraud, pure and simple, and these companies are still being rated as "trustworthy".

https://complyadvantage.com/insights/transaction-laundering/

https://www.idenfy.com/blog/examples-of-money-laundering/#:~:text=Typically%2C%20criminals%20mask%20the%20illegal,%E2%80%9Clegitimate%2C%E2%80%9D%20clean%20funds.

From various sources -

Misrepresentation and Deception: The primary issue with transaction masking is that it misrepresents the true nature of a transaction to the cardholder, the card issuer, and the payment processor. This deception can be used to bypass security measures, avoid fees, or conceal illicit activities.

Violation of Merchant Agreements: Merchants typically agree to process transactions accurately and transparently when they sign up with payment processors. Transaction masking violates these agreements and can lead to penalties, fines, or even termination of merchant accounts.

Facilitating Illegal Activities: Transaction masking is often used to facilitate illegal activities, such as money laundering, illegal gambling, or the sale of prohibited goods and services. By disguising the true nature of the transaction, criminals can avoid detection and move money illicitly. 

Consumer Protection: Transaction masking can harm consumers by making it difficult to track their spending, identify fraudulent charges, or dispute transactions. It can also lead to higher fees or interest rates if the masked transaction is processed under a different merchant category code with higher charges.

Legal Consequences:

The legal consequences of transaction masking vary depending on the jurisdiction and the specific circumstances. However, it can lead to:

Criminal charges: In some cases, transaction masking can be prosecuted as a criminal offense, such as fraud, money laundering, or racketeering.

Civil lawsuits: Consumers and businesses harmed by transaction masking can file civil lawsuits to recover damages.

Regulatory fines: Payment processors and merchants involved in transaction masking can face significant fines from regulatory agencies.

Reputational damage: Businesses caught engaging in transaction masking can suffer severe reputational damage, leading to loss of customers and business opportunities.

Examples of Illegal Transaction Masking:

Disguising adult content: An adult website might use a different merchant code to process payments, making it appear as if the customer purchased something else.

Hiding gambling transactions: An illegal or offshore gambling website might mask transactions as online purchases to avoid detection by banks and authorities.

Laundering money: Criminals might use transaction masking to move money from illegal sources through legitimate businesses, making it appear as if the funds came from legal transactions. 

Is there anything else we need to add here? The sites are still being given trustworthy ratings when there is clear identifiable evidence of fraud and money laundering.

9 månader sedan

I was describing what it is from the perspective of this forum and the player I was responding to. As you can see in this very thread, the situation does not follow concrete procedures or laws. On the other hand, I do not see it as fair if a player who has played without any restrictions has won or rather lost fairly and now seeks a way to get back deposits. That's the difference I was talking about.

Of course, using such merchants is a gateway for casinos missing a local license. To me, this is obvious; on the other hand, not every situation is the same.

bwastook
9 månader sedan

De säger att det är konfidentiellt

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Curritokira
9 månader sedan

Then raise a chargeback with your bank saying you cannot get in contact with the company and you received no products

9 månader sedan

I was describing what it is from the perspective of this forum and the player I was responding to. As you can see in this very thread, the situation does not follow concrete procedures or laws. On the other hand, I do not see it as fair if a player who has played without any restrictions has won or rather lost fairly and now seeks a way to get back deposits. That's the difference I was talking about.

Of course, using such merchants is a gateway for casinos missing a local license. To me, this is obvious; on the other hand, not every situation is the same.

9 månader sedan

Once again the point is missed on this - masking transactions to enable gambling like this is illegal, period! Its like people telling customs a consignment is bread when its cocaine. or changing the description of an item to evade the tax on it like alcohol. It is all fraud and against global financial rules. There is NO jurisdiction in the world where this is a legal practice. You are focusing on the morality or merit of player issues when actually what we are saying is that casinos who are deliberately and knowingly taking part in this illegal practice can seemingly get away with everything and "Oh I think its unfair that the player is questioning this illegal transaction". Do you see how ridiculous this viewpoint is?

Anonymized847
9 månader sedan

very well said


9 månader sedan

I have been fairly lucky with regard to getting my funds returned, both with casinos and chargebacks. I also currently have a case with a payment provider that deals in transfers. It isn’t completely in my favour but they are struggling to fight the black and white provided.


i was struggling with noltiro, telvon , xylitol, however i traced them back to Zen.com. Anyone struggling with these payments email them [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] advise them that provided contact details for merchants are defunct and appear to be illegitimate therefore they need to investigate. Only provide email and first 4 last 6 digits of card or they will set up an account. In their terms and conditions transaction laundering and unlicensed casinos will not be tolerated. Copy in the FCA and bank of Lithuania. Then leave a review on Trustpilot.

pops22
9 månader sedan

You won't get nothing from roletto I won 210k through their casino and didn't receive a penny despite multiple attempts at withdrawing. They keep rejecting. Your best bet is to try retrieve your deposits back at least but this will need to be done through the bank by raising a chargeback to merchant on your bank statement. I believe roletto uses pixeleum.io finnart.io to launder their money which sell digital art. Therefore go services/goods not received. You didn't receive this digital art. Which is the truth.

bx4chgnb5y
9 månader sedan

Had contact with ZEN a while back with the same merchants, they wont do anything and direct you to your banking provider, funny that they get told these merchants are frauds but continue to process payments for them which completely goes against their license agreements with FCA etc

9 månader sedan

You won't get nothing from roletto I won 210k through their casino and didn't receive a penny despite multiple attempts at withdrawing. They keep rejecting. Your best bet is to try retrieve your deposits back at least but this will need to be done through the bank by raising a chargeback to merchant on your bank statement. I believe roletto uses pixeleum.io finnart.io to launder their money which sell digital art. Therefore go services/goods not received. You didn't receive this digital art. Which is the truth.

9 månader sedan

Rolleto are part of Santeda - the crooks who like to launder lots of money, have links to the Russian mob and who are actually based in Cyprus. Good luck getting anything from them.

9 månader sedan

Has anyone had any successful refunds/chargebacks from Payop?

Anonymized847
9 månader sedan

You win all the chargebacks against them no challenge at all it is shocking what they do drain your bank account big time then if you get a big win like £2100000 no payout shocking there must be loads like this across these sites

Anonymized847
9 månader sedan

Yes of course not directly through rolletto. They use santeda for withdrawals but 9 times out of 10 they wont process the requested withdrawal. They are scum. So back to the deposit side of it, they use digital art companies to launder the deposits made by customers through the rolletto.com site.as I say specifically pixeleum.io finnart.io artstrid.io are amongst those digital art merchants found on your bank statements. The fact of the matter is you didn't receive this digital art. Which is valid under mastercard rules in raising a chargeback as services/goods not received. And of course these merchants can't prove they sent digital art as it simply never happened. No goods were received otherwise youd have proof sent to your email. Therefore a refund is the only acceptable outcome.

Anonymized916
9 månader sedan

I was gutted though I have a screenshot with 210k in my rolletto.com account and the crooks wouldn't even process a 7k withdrawal. You'd think at least let me withdraw what I deposited but they wanted it all. Greedy scummy people.

9 månader sedan

Still trying to find ORB it's registered London anyone have any ideas who it is ?

Anonymized839
9 månader sedan

fileCould be these? Latvian owners 😵‍💫

UserJ0193
9 månader sedan

i struck lucky I think I use different emails for banking / gambling. When my bank raised chargebacks they tried to counter them setting up false accounts with transactions however they used my banking email and couldn’t prove any other identifying information. I however could prove that email hadn’t been used for anything other than work / banking. Also the web contact details held by Zen for said merchants was defunct and only virtual office addresses so zen hadn’t completed due diligence. I am just negotiating a settlement figure so it can work if you keep at it.

9 månader sedan

Just fyi for everyone, dont try wrong mcc with monzo, they are not cooperating. I had to raise a complaint with them, and only after that they have agreed to open the disputes as goods not received.

Anonymized916
9 månader sedan

Ok did you not try a case on here they only pay out £15000 a month I won more than that in a month and could not take it all out then lost again its a joke if you win a bit back

xbigguyxxx
9 månader sedan

Another thing they do is not process the withdrawal for ages if you are lucky enough to get it at all meaning you can reverse the withdrawal which as a problem gambler most of us end up doing. On UKGC-regulated sites you cannot reverse withdrawals but these unregulated charlatans do whatever they can to ensure you lose whatever you win on their sites.

Gamblur
9 månader sedan

Yes they use every tactic its well known the tricks they use and slow verification

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