Zdravo Nik,
Hvala vam puno na vašem brzom odgovoru. Zbunjujuće je čuti vaš stav o kupovini bonusa jer
a. na drugim kazino sajtovima, kao što je iabbi, prilično sam siguran da sam osvojio celu igru koristeći bonus kupovine i bonus novac. to je bilo pre nekog vremena, ali ne tako dugo, videću da li su još uvek u knjizi.
b. to bi trebalo da bude navedeno u T&C ili onemogućeno tokom bonus igre, to bi trebalo da bude poznata praksa među igračima. Kunem se u sve važne stvari koje nikada nisam znao za ovo pravilo ili praksu, za 5 godina igranja u raznim RTG kockarnicama najmanje 3 puta nedeljno (ali uglavnom u anden group ektreme itd, nedavno MrO i Ritz). kao što sam pokušavao da komuniciram na svom dugotrajnom nalogu iznad, nisam idiot i nisam neko ko pokušava da dobije brzu pobedu na račun drugih. da sam znao nikada ne bih ni razmišljao o kupovini bonusa jer sam već osvojio džekpot, čak sam otišao da ćaskam da se uverim da znam koja je maksimalna opklada.
Vaša pitanja:
Možete li da nam kažete od kada je vaš nalog u potpunosti verifikovan?
Nisam siguran, ali ponovo sam predao svoju vozačku dozvolu, napred i nazad sa selfijem, i trenutni dokaz adrese u petak pre povlačenja. Živim u Njujorku 10 godina, svi moji dokumenti su uredni, nisam zabrinut. Ali nisu promenili status u verifikovani.
radi potpune transparentnosti, pokušao sam dva puta sa MrO da proverim. Takođe sam potpuno verifikovan od pre 3-4 meseca sa večnim slotovima, njihovim sestrinskim kazinom (isti osoblje, iste igre, različiti brendovi). Pretpostavljam da prihvataju vaša dokumenta, a zatim vam ne daju status verifikovanog dok ne završite povlačenje. Prvi put kada sam pokušao, to je bio besplatan bonus i postoji politika ne više od 5 besplatnih bonusa za redom. ovo je bilo rano, još nisam počeo da deponujem ili igram ozbiljno, to je bio 6. bonus koji sam izgubio broj, odbio sam i nije mi dao verifikovan status. Nakon toga, pre otprilike mesec dana, incident sa LUCKIUP (promenio sam pravila bez promene koda, prekršio sam maksimalnu opkladu od 2 dolara, pustio sam to) takođe sam dobio poništen dobitak, nisam dobio verifikovani status.
Da li je vaš trenutni bonus dobitak poništen?
Da, moj depozit od 30 dolara i kusur su sve što ostaje na računu.
Kada ste poslednji put razgovarali sa kazinom i o čemu se radilo?
Pokušao sam da ih obavestim o formalnom sporu juče, 21.12.24. a pre tog ćaskanja, gde su prestali da odgovaraju 21.12.24. Pošaljite kopiju e-pošte ispod.
Pretpostavljam da u ovom trenutku imajući u vidu vaš stav o kupovini bonusa, pozicija za koju iskreno nikada nisam čuo, nije objavljena nigde u njihovim T&C, nikada nije pomenuta ni u kakvoj komunikaciji, itd. U svakom slučaju još jednom hvala na obaveštenju. odgovor. P
Predmet: Formalni spor – nepravedno poništavanje dobitka
Zdravo MrO tim za podršku i PitBoss,
Ovo pojačavam jer je obrazloženje za poništavanje mog dobitka suštinski pogrešno i nije u skladu sa dokazima.
Evo zašto ovo ne stoji:
Ekran funkcije „Kupi" eksplicitno prikazuje:
„Izaberite svoju opkladu – 2,50 dolara"
„Iznos kupovine – 175 USD"
Ovo jasno razlikuje cenu funkcije od veličine opklade. Platio sam da aktiviram okretanje po ceni od 2,50 USD po okretanju – znatno ispod granice maksimalne opklade od 10 USD.
Kupovina funkcija NIJE povećanje veličine opklade.
Plaćanje unapred 175 dolara za okretanje ne znači klađenje od 17,50 dolara po liniji.
Ovo je uobičajena i standardna mehanika u RTG igrama – koju sam bez problema koristio u raznim kockarnicama.
Ono što je najvažnije, svi dobici su isplaćeni u skladu sa nivoom opklade od 2,50 dolara koji je naveden u tabeli isplata – što potvrđuje da je sistem ovo prepoznao kao moju aktivnu veličinu opklade.
Nijedan T&C ne zabranjuje kupovinu funkcija.
Ne postoji klauzula koja ograničava broj kupovine funkcija ili navodi da se one računaju u ograničenja maksimalne opklade.
Ako je kupovina funkcija prekršila uslove, opcija je trebalo da bude onemogućena tokom bonus igre.
Ovaj argument nema smisla:
Izgubio sam novac tokom kupovine funkcija. Da je ovo eksploatacija, išlo bi u moju korist - ne u kazino.
Čak i nakon što sam pogodio džekpot, proaktivno sam proverio ograničenje maksimalne opklade da bih obezbedio usklađenost.
Uvek sam igrao fer i po pravilima. Ovo izgleda kao proizvoljan pokušaj da se izbegne legitimna isplata izvrtanjem mehanike igre koja nije eksplicitno pokrivena vašim Uslovima i odredbama.
Dajem vam priliku da ovo preispitate. Više bih voleo da ovo rešim direktno i prijateljski, ali ako bude potrebno, eskaliraću ovo na forume, sajtove za preglede i tela za licenciranje kako bih obezbedio potpunu transparentnost.
Radujem se vašem brzom odgovoru.
Srdačan pozdrav,
Hi Nick,
Thanks so much for your prompt reply. It is confusing to hear your position on bonus buys because
a. on other casino sites, such as yabby, i am pretty sure i have won a whole game using bonus buys and bonus monies. it was a while ago but not that long ill see if they are still in the ledger.
b. it should be stated in T&C or disabled during bonus play, it should be a known practice amongst players. i swear on all things important that i have never known about this rule or practice, in 5 years of playing at various RTG casinos at least 3 times a week (but mainly at the anden group extreme etc, recently MrO and ritz). as I was trying to communicate in my long winded account above, i am not an idiot and i am not someone trying to get a quick win at others expense. had i known i would never have even thought about buying a bonus as i already won the jackpot, i even went to chat to make sure i knew what the max bet was.
Your questions:
Could you please advise since when is your account fully verified?
I am not sure, but i have submitted again my drivers license, front and back with selfie, and current proof of address on friday prior to the withdrawal. I have lived in NYC for 10 years all my documents are in order, not worried. But they have not changed status to verified.
for the sake of full transparency, i have tried twice with MrO to verify. I am also fully verified since 3-4 months ago with eternal slots, their sister casino (same staff, same games, different branding). I guess they accept your documents then don't give you verified status until you complete a withdrawal. The first time I tried, it was a free bonus and there is a policy of no more than 5 free bonuses in a row. this was early on i had not started depositing or playing thre seriously yet, it was the 6th bonus i lost count, declined and did not give me verified status. Subsequently about a month ago the LUCKYUP incident (changed rules without changing code, i breach max bet of $2, i let it go) i also had winnings voided, didn't get the verified status.
Is your current bonus winnings voided?
Yes, my deposit of $30 and change is all that remains on balance.
When was the last time you spoke to the casino and what was it about?
I have attempted to notify them of formal dispute yesterday, sat 12/21/24 and prior to that chat, where they stopped responding 12/21/24. Email copy below.
I guess at this point considering your position on bonus buys, a position which I honestly have never heard of, is not published anywhere in their T&C, has never been mentioned in any communication, etc. Anyway thanks again for the prompt. response. P
Subject: Formal Dispute – Unjust Voiding of Winnings
Hi MrO Support Team and PitBoss,
I'm escalating this because the reasoning provided for voiding my winnings is fundamentally flawed and inconsistent with the evidence.
Here’s why this doesn’t hold up:
The Buy Feature screen explicitly shows:
"Choose Your Bet – $2.50"
"Buy Amount – $175"
This clearly distinguishes the feature cost from the bet size. I paid to activate spins at $2.50 per spin – well below the $10 max bet limit.
Feature Buys are NOT Bet Size Increases.
Pre-paying $175 for spins does not equate to betting $17.50 per line.
This is a common and standard mechanic across RTG games – one I’ve used at various casinos without issue.
Crucially, all winnings were paid according to the $2.50 bet level listed on the pay table – reinforcing that the system recognized this as my active bet size.
No T&C Prohibits Feature Buys.
There is no clause limiting the number of feature buys or stating they count toward max bet limits.
If buying features violated terms, the option should have been disabled during bonus play.
This Argument Makes No Sense:
I lost money during feature buys. If this was an exploit, it would have been in my favor – not the casino’s.
Even after hitting the jackpot, I proactively verified the max bet limit to ensure compliance.
I have always played fairly and within the rules. This feels like an arbitrary attempt to avoid a legitimate payout by twisting game mechanics that are not explicitly covered in your T&Cs.
I’m giving you the opportunity to reconsider this. I’d prefer to resolve this directly and amicably, but if necessary, I will escalate this to forums, review sites, and licensing bodies to ensure full transparency.
I look forward to your prompt response.
Best regards,
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