Komunikacija sa Antilefonom nv 8048 / jaz (strana 2)

The casino paid me all 1750 euros today. So the intervention of the EM group representative was decisive unlike Antillephone which didn't care from the beginning.

Il casinò oggi mi ha pagato tutti i 1750 euro. Quindi l'intervento della rappresentante di EM group è stato determinante al contrario di Antillephone che se ne è fregato fin dall'inizio.

Hello,

I'm quite surprised in a positive way! 🙂

If I got it correctly, somebody from Antilephone simply added this email: [email protected] as a new "copy" recipient so you were able to approach EM Group directly - on your own, am I correct at this point?

I wonder whether we will notice more positive experiences with this EM Group in the future.

I had a problem with Burningbet.com, which is also regulated by Antillephone nv 8048/jaz.

I decided to contact [email protected], to see if they could help me, but I couldn't send the message, I think their email address doesn't accept emails sent by the service I use (Tutanota).

So I went to Emoore.com and sent a message directly to Cindy Drommond in the contacts section of the site. In less than an hour I was answered. But in my case they can't help.

I will reproduce here the two emails I received from Cindy Drommond:

First Email

"Dear Mr. Muller,

Thank you for your email. We can only help in case the casino is managed by us. As I did not see the name of the website/casino, please let me know, so I can check if this is one of the casino's that I can assist in or if I can provide you with the name of the Managing Director, in such in case you could take the complaint to them."

Second Email

"Dear sir,

This casino is managed by : (SMES) Solutions for Management and Employment Support NV

Unfortunately, I have no contact details for you available, but perhaps a google search will help you further now you know who the managing director is.

Kind regards,"

UNFORTUNATELY THEY CAN'T ALWAYS HELP.

Tive um problema com Burningbet.com, que também é regulado por Antillephone n.v 8048/jaz.

Resolvi entrar em contato com [email protected], para ver se poderiam me ajudar, mas não consegui enviar a mensagem, acho que o endereço de email deles não aceita emails enviados pelo serviço que eu uso (Tutanota).

Então entrei no site Emoore.com e mandei uma mensagem diretamente para Cindy Drommond, na seção de contatos do site. Em menos de uma hora fui respondido. Mas no meu caso eles não podem ajudar.

Vou reporduzir aqui os dois email que recebi de Cindy Drommond:

Primeiro Email

"Dear Mr. Muller,

 Thank you for your email. We can only help in case the casino is managed by us. As I did not see the name of the website/casino, please let me know, so I can check if this is one of the casino’s that I can assist in or if I can provide you with the name of the Managing Director, in such case you could take the complaint to them."

Segundo Email

"Dear sir, 

This casino is managed by : (SMES) Solutions for Management and Employment Support N.V

Unfortunately, I have no contact details for you available, but perhaps a google search will help you further now you know who the managing director is.

Kind regards,"

INFELIZMENTE NEM SEMPRE ELES PODEM AJUDAR.

Hello Pablohenriques,

thank you for sharing.

It's a pity. On the other hand, it does make sense, I'm afraid. If the casino is registered elsewhere, they can't participate in the complaint. 

Although the almost immediate answer is still very promising.

I still think this company will prove useful in time.

Anyway, how did your problem with Burningbet.com end?

It will be useless but by any chance have you already sent the complaint also to [email protected]?

Sarà inutile ma per caso hai già inviato il reclamo anche a [email protected]?

Yes exactly, I don't know if this copy recipient was entered voluntarily or not because in the previous Antillephone emails there were still other copy recipients (for example the Willemstad shopping center in Curacao) that apparently had nothing to do with it.

Sì esatto, non so se questo destinatario in copia sia stato inserito volontariamente oppure no perché nelle precedenti mail di Antillephone vi erano comunque altri destinatari in copia (ad esempio il centro commerciale di Willemstad di Curacao) che apparentemente non c'entravano nulla.

I did the exact same thing you did. I sent a vague message, without explaining that it was a complaint, to [email protected].

I was quickly answered. But what caught my attention is that the answer did not come by the official email, but by an alternative email "[email protected]".

Eu fiz exatamente a mesma coisa que você fez. Enviei uma mensagem vaga, sem explicar que se trataria de uma reclamação, para [email protected].

Rapidamente fui respondido. Mas o que me chamou a atenção é que a resposta não veio pelo e-mail oficial e sim por um e-mail alternativo "[email protected]".

That's kind of strange to me I must say 😀.

Anyway, according to the other post from Pablohenriques this company reacts promptly and it seems they care even if they can't get involved.

My problem is not over yet, it is far from over. And the way things are going, I wouldn't bet that it will have a happy ending for me hahahaha.

Unfortunately, it's a bonus balance and not my real balance, so I'm more relaxed. But even so, it's a value I've earned within the rules and I'm entitled to receive it, so I'll try as much as I can.

I'll create another discussion topic here on the forum reporting step by step. Maybe someone can help me. And this can also help other people who face similar problems in the future.

Meu problema ainda não terminou, esta muito longe do fim. E pela forma como as coisas vão caminhando não apostaria que terá um final feliz para mim hahahaha.

Menos mal que é saldo de bônus e não meu saldo real, assim estou mais tranquilo. Mas mesmo assim é um valor que ganhei dentro das regras e tenho direito a receber, então vou tentar até onde puder.

Vou criar outro tópico de discussão aqui no fórum relatando passo a passo. Talvez alguém possa me ajudar. E isso também possa ajudar outras pessoas que no futuro passem por problemas semelhantes.

Hello,

the @protonmail now?

If I run a licensing company I would not dare to use the Gmail or the yahoo domain as well as protonmail. 😀

Please let us know when you receive some other reply as well. I'm getting curious.

That's what I thought.

A serious company, whose mission is to regulate an important economic area, delegated by a government agency of a nation'; using a "protonmail" email ?????

Professionalism and seriousness are not their strong point.

Foi o que eu pensei.

Uma empresa séria, que tem a missão de regular uma área econômica importante, delegada por um órgão governamental de uma nação´; usando um email "protonmail" ?????

O profissionalismo e a seriedade não são o ponto forte desse pessoal.

Frankly, you may be right at this point.

Anyway, I think that the most important thing is if they can provide some kind of fair support to the players in need. Let's see what happens next.

My account has just been banned from Burningbet.com... I can't even log into my account...

They sent me an email saying that my account was banned because I broke article 3.29 of the betting rules.

I did a little research and found that right here at Casinoguru there is a case of a sports bettor who had won money with a bet and they used this excuse to ban his account and not pay him. (Remembering that Dozenspins and Burningbet are sites belonging to the same criminal group Altacore N.V).

https://casino.guru/dozenspins-casino-player-s-account-has-been-closed

They scoured my entire account looking for a SUPPOSED small mistake that could serve as a PRETEXT to ban my account from the site and AVOID PAYMENT.

I did some research on Burningbet and found that they are run by a company called Altacore NV, so far so good. But what I found out later is that this Altacore NV is managed by another company called (SMES) Solutions for Management and Employment Support NV

Researching this (SMES) Solutions for Management and Employment Support NV I discovered one swindle and rot after another...

Some example...

One of their sites has already been closed, called Forzza... It caused controversy in Holland.

https://knipselkrant--curacao-com.translate.goog/ad-cash-centers-illegaal-gokken-of-slim-ondernemen/?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=pt&_x_tr_hl=pt-BR&_x_tr_pto=op,sc

They are also behind the PIN UP BET website

https://scamhouse-ru.translate.goog/lohotron-bukmekerskaya-kontora-pin-up-otzyvy/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=pt&_x_tr_hl=pt-BR&_x_tr_pto=sc

The person behind this company (SMES) Solutions for Management and Employment Support NV is called VIVIAN VICTORIA ERSILIA

If you do a google search for that name you will find some more rotten ones.

Offshore Companies in Panama...

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/27239

Shady links with insolvent companies

https://mobile.twitter.com/librehash/status/1166248574935584769

A pessoa por trás dessa empresa (SMES) Solutions for Management and Employment Support N.V se chama VIVIAN VICTORIA ERSILIA

Se você fizer uma pesquisa por esse nome no google vai encontrar mais alguns podres.

Empresas Offshore no Panamá...

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/27239

Ligações obscuras com empresas insolventes

https://mobile.twitter.com/librehash/status/1166248574935584769

I contacted the Curaçao Chamber of Commerce asking for information about this company and they sent me the company's registered email to contact...

Detail, an email from GMAIL [email protected]

By this email, this "Vivian v. Ersilia" replied to me. An evasive answer that led nowhere.

But the interesting thing is that in the Email, there was among the contact information your Skype Vivian.v.ersilia

This nice lady is the face behind dozens of online casinos.

Entrei em contato com a Câmara de Comércio de Curaçao pedindo informações sobre esta empresa e eles me enviaram o e-mail registrado da empresa para entrar em contato...

Detalhe, um email de GMAIL [email protected]

Por este e-mail, este "Vivian v. Ersilia" me respondeu. Uma resposta evasiva que não levou a lugar nenhum.

Mas o interessante é que no Email, havia entre as informações de contato seu Skype Vivian.v.ersilia

Essa simpatica senhora é o rosto por trás de dezenas de cassinos online.

This is Vivian V Ersilia's Facebook profile.

https://www.facebook.com/vivian.ersilia/photos

If you look closely you will see that one of the photos on facebook is the same as the contact on Skype.

And the facebook profile is not fake, it's legitimate, it has several connections with family members who are real people...

A simple lady who lives in a simple house, probably in the suburb of Willemstad

is responsible for the company that somehow manages a hundred online casinos that operate globally???????????????????????????????? ????????



Esse é o perfil de Vivian V Ersilia no Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/vivian.ersilia/photos

Se olhar com atenção verá que uma das fotos do facebook é a mesma do contato do Skype.

E o perfil do facebook não é falso, é legitimo, possui varias conexões com membros da familia que são pessoas reais...

Uma senhora simples que vive em uma casa simples, provavelmente no subúrbio de Willemstad

é a responsavel pela empresa que de certa forma gerencia uma centena de Cassinos online que atuam globalmente????????????????????????????????????????



AM I BEING VERY NAUGHTY OR IS THERE SOMETHING WEIRD ABOUT ALL OF THIS?

EU ESTOU SENDO MUITO MALDOSO OU DE FATO HÁ ALGO ESTRANHO NISSO TUDO?

Hello there.

You've certainly done quite interesting progress there!

I will put this to the attention of Jozef.K, he deals with licenses and complaints so I think he might be interested in your development.

I also think he could provide some useful insights as well.

Hello Pablo.

Thank you very much for sharing your detailed research with us. As we have already discussed in other threads in the forum, I would highly recommend you to stick with the licensing authority. Searching or contacting possible persons from the casino on their personal channels (also sharing their photos) may not help your case, but even the opposite. Of course, it may be the responsible person from the casino, but it may be a family member with the same name or even a completely different person.

Please, contact me know if you have any questions.

[email protected]

I STRONGLY RECOMMEND REPORTING SUCH OFFENSES TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OF CURACAO AND CONTEXTUALLY TO THE MULTIMANDATE MINISTER OF CURACAO. WITH THIS LICENSE YOU MUST ACT IN A STRONG WAY, OR THEY WOULD NOT FRIEND.

CONSIGLIO VIVAMENTE DI SEGNALARE TALI ILLECITI ALLA CAMERA DI COMMERCIO DI CURACAO E CONTESTUALMENTE AL MINISTRO PLURIMANDATARIO DI CURACAO. CON QUESTA LICENZA BISOGNA AGIRE CON LE MANIERE FORTI ALTRIMENTI SE NE FREGANO.