Kysymys rahapelisivustoista, joilla on Curaçaon lisenssi ja joissa käytetään väärää kauppiasluokkakoodia (sivu 1 277)

My responds are under review once I mention the name haha its dutch bank

Once you mention its gambling transactions they simply say you approved the transactions and you could play the bought services and it ends there.

Doesnt matter wrong mcc code etc

Remember both some of the casinos and also the banks are part of this thread. Not hard to spot some of them.

Yes they probably reading this thread I know. The casino's do deff.

For your bank transfers did you pay with a debit card?

Credit card

Creditcard

Because the bank is obligated to initiate a chargeback if it is properly filed; if it does not, it is committing an offense. The bank does not treat a client the same as a lawyer.

Porque el banco si tiene la obligación de inciar un contracargo si está planteado correctamente, sino lo incia está cometiendo una falta , el banco no trata igual a un Cliente que a un abogado

Is it legal to gamble in Cryuff land with credit card?

Some banks do and others don't; for that you need a lawyer. You can mention that it was a game, but the bank has to prove that it was a game and that's why they didn't initiate the chargeback, and believe me, it's not easy for them; your statement alone isn't enough.

Algunos bancos sí y otros no , para eso necesitas un abogado , tú puedes mencionar que era juego , pero el banco tiene que demostrar que era juego y por eso no inició el contracargo , y créeme que no lo tiene fácil , no basta con tu declaración

So you would bring them to the conduct authority...are you saying to sue the bank?

Haha ! Yes it is you can play with CC even with legal casino's.

Like I said once you mention gambling the bank says no. Doesnt matter what you say.

Thats why so many people dont mention gambling with a chargeback.

If we have to sue the bank, then yes, but that's why I say it depends on the amount in dispute; it might not be worth it.

If you ask any lawyer, they'll tell you.

Si hay que demandar al banco , pero por eso digo que depende de la cantidad en disputa no sale a cuenta .

si lo preguntas a cualquier abogado te lo contará

I've already explained it to you, and if you read the whole thread you'll see that some people, being honest, have managed to get the bank to initiate a chargeback, but you have to plan things properly.

If you don't believe me, go to a good lawyer and ask them. A consultation costs €100-150, and believe me, it will be the best investment of your life.

Ya te lo he explicado, y se lees todo el hilo verás que hay gente que siendo sincera ha conseguido que el banco empiece el contracargo , pero hay que plantear bien las cosas .

sino me crees ves a un buen abogado y pregúntale , una consulta vale 100-150€ , y creeeme que será la mejor inversión de tu vida

It's simply a crooked system. You're banned from gambling in your own country for whatever reason. You still get the urge to gamble and throw everything at a foreign casino that has no duty of care, and takes advantage of you. In your own country, there are rules that say none of this is allowed. And then you go to the bank and they say, "Too bad, you deposited yourself, goodbye." As long as the banks perpetuate this, it will continue.

Het is gewoon een krom systeem. Je staat op gokstop in je eigen land wegens wat voor reden dan ook. Krijgt toch de neiging om te spelen en gooit alles in een buitenlands casino die geen zorgplicht hebben, die gebruik van je maken. In je eigen land zijn er regels dat het allemaal niet mag. En dan ga je naar de bank en die zegt jammer dan je hebt zelf gestort tot ziens. Zolang de banken dit in stand houden zal dit blijven bestaan.

So what would you advise the lawyer to do?

Only if its mastercard...visa you have a chance

Unfortunately its mastercard 🤣

To begin with, you should file a police report, explain to the bank what happened, and if they refuse, go with a lawyer. The lawyer will know what to say, but banks have a duty of care; they usually reach an agreement before going to court because they know it's unlikely they'll win in court, and if they lose, they set a precedent.

Para empezar habría que presentar una denuncia ante la policía explicar al banco lo que ha pasado y si se niegan ir con un abogado , él ya sabrá lo que tiene que decir, pero los bancos tienen el deber de diligencia , normalmente llegan a un acuerdo antes de ir a juicio , porque saben que ante un juez es difícil que ganen y si pierden ya crean un precedente…

I've made quite a bit of money back with Mastercard, even though it's a gamble; if you plan it right, there are options.

But let's be honest, banks aren't stupid, and I understand it's frustrating that they don't initiate chargebacks, but if someone doesn't authorize 10-15 transactions and receives nothing... that's suspicious, and that's where the problem starts.

Yo he recuperado bastante con Mastercard , aunque sea juego , si se plantea bien hay opciones .

pero hay que ser sincero , los bancos no son tontos , y entiendo que da rabia que no inicien los contracargos , pero una persona no autoriza 10-15 operaciones y no recibe nada … es sospechoso y ahí empieza el problema