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Vaša žalba na Revolut Ltd
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Žalba
Gospodin Mekjuan je nezadovoljan što kompanija Revolut Ltd nije podigla zahteve za povraćaj sredstava za transakcije vezane za kockanje. Smatra da sajtovi za kockanje koriste metode za zaobilaženje blokada u Velikoj Britaniji i nezakonito ciljaju ljude, objašnjava da su povraćaji sredstava bili uspešni kod drugih kompanija i smatra da je i Revolut Ltd trebalo da ih podigne.
Kompanija Revolut Ltd je ispitala zahtev i saopštila da ne mogu da pokrenu zahtev za povraćaj sredstava jer ne postoje prava na sprovođenje transakcija vezanih za kockanje. Gospodin Mekjuan je bio nezadovoljan ishodom svog zahteva za povraćaj sredstava i podneo je žalbu.
Kompanija Revolut Ltd je poslala svoje konačno pismo sa odgovorom 13. novembra 2024. godine, u kojem su naveli da okvir za povraćaj sredstava utvrđuje pravila koja pokrivaju transakcije karticama i da nemaju pravo na povraćaj sredstava.
Nezadovoljan ovim odgovorom, gospodin Mekjuan je zatražio od ove službe da istraži.
Moji nalazi
Da bih razmotrio da li je banka ovde postupala fer prema gospodinu Mekjuenu – moram da razmislim o tome da li je trebalo da učini više da mu pomogne da vrati svoj novac. To znači da razmotrim da li je Revolut Ltd učinio dovoljno u vezi sa povraćajem sredstava.
Postoje različiti načini na koje banka može pomoći potrošačima koji su imali problema sa robom ili uslugama koje nisu bile isporučene.
U nekim slučajevima, banka može zahtevati povraćaj novca od dobavljača putem šeme povraćaja sredstava. Ovo je način na koji se rešavaju sporovi oko poravnanja plaćanja između vlasnika kartica i dobavljača/trgovaca. Oni se rešavaju u skladu sa pravilima relevantne šeme kartica, a u ovom slučaju to je šema kartica Mastercard. U određenim okolnostima, postupak pruža način kompaniji Revolut Ltd da zatraži povraćaj uplate koju je izvršio g. Mekjuan. Te okolnosti mogu uključivati slučajeve kada kompanija nije pružila usluge.
Izdavalac kartice nije obavezan da pokrene zahtev za povraćaj sredstava kada potrošač to zatraži. Ali bih smatrao dobrom praksom da se pokuša povraćaj sredstava tamo gde postoji pravo i postoje neki izgledi za uspeh.
Podnošenje zahteva ne garantuje da će on biti uspešan. Trgovac može da se brani od zahteva i ako pruži valjanu odbranu, banka može odlučiti da ne preduzima dalje mere. Ili banka može ponovo da podnese zahtev ako smatra da je trgovac izneo slabu ili nevaljanu odbranu. A ako trgovac nastavi da se brani od zahteva, banka može da pokrene arbitražni postupak, gde Mastercard odlučuje ko treba da zadrži sredstva.
Postoje vremenska ograničenja u okviru pravila o tome da li se ovo treba i može dogoditi – i ceo proces može potrajati neko vreme dok se ovo ne reši.
Kompanija Revolut Ltd je objasnila da nisu mogli da pokrenu zahtev za povraćaj sredstava jer nije bilo moguće navesti razlog za povraćaj sredstava. Ne mislim da bi povraćaj sredstava bio uspešan da je podnet, jer ne izgleda da postoji mogućnost da bude uspešan. Pregledao sam informacije o povraćaju sredstava sa Mastercard kartice koje navode sledeće:
„Povraćaj sredstava za kockanje i investicije. Za transakcije u kojima se vrednost ili sredstva kupuju za kockanje, investicije ili slične svrhe: Ovo pravo povraćaja sredstava dostupno je samo za transakciju u kojoj se kupljena vrednost ili sredstva nisu pojavila na računu dogovorenom između vlasnika kartice i trgovca."
Uzimajući u obzir tvrdnju koju je gospodin Mekjuan izneo i gore navedeno, ne vidim da je kompanija Revolut Ltd pogrešila kada je saopštila da ne može da pokrene zahtev za povraćaj sredstava. Gospodin Mekjuan je izrazio zabrinutost u vezi sa zakonitošću veb stranica, ali to nije nešto za šta je Revolut Ltd odgovoran i može samo da razmatra mogućnost povraćaja sredstava, ali kao što sam objasnio, to nije nešto što su mogli da pokrenu ovde.
Da li je Revolut Ltd mogao da uradi više ovde?
Vidim da je gospodin Mekjuan pomenuo da je tražio da zatvori svoj nalog, ali da je Revolut Ltd. to odbio. Pregledao sam poruke gospodina Mekjuana sa Revolutom, video sam razgovor u kojem pominje da su odbili, međutim, to je bilo uz odgovor preko onlajn veštačke inteligencije u kojem je rečeno da ne mogu da pomognu sa zahtevom. Gospodin Mekjuan je takođe razgovarao sa članom osoblja koji je ponudio pomoć i objasnio kako može da zatvori svoj nalog, a takođe su mu ponudili da ga prebace u tim da stave blokadu za kockanje, ali gospodin Mekjuan nije iskoristio ovu opciju.
Cenim da je gospodin Mekjuan bio u teškoj poziciji jer mu je kockanje predstavljalo problem i tražio je podršku, ali izgleda da je Revolut Ltd ponudio pomoć objašnjavajući kako da zatvori račun i nudeći pomoć oko blokade kockanja. Stoga ne vidim da su postupili nepravedno.
Takođe bih trebalo da napomenem da mogu da pratim samo Revolut Ltd, a ne i trgovce kockarnicama.
Look at this nonsense reply from the FOS:
Dear Mr Mcewan
Your complaint about Revolut Ltd
We now have all the information we need to look into your complaint. Based on what I’ve seen, I don’t think Revolut Ltd needs to take any action. I’ve explained why below.
The complaint
Mr McEwan is unhappy that Revolut Ltd didn’t raise chargebacks for gambling transactions. He feels that the gambling sites are using methods to by-pass UK blocks and are illegally targeting people, he explains that chargebacks had succeeded with other companies and feels that Revolut Ltd should have also raised them.
Revolut Ltd looked into the claim and said that they couldn’t raise a chargeback as there are no rights to pursue gambling transactions. Mr McEwan was unhappy with the outcome of his chargeback claim and raised a complaint.
Revolut Ltd sent its final response letter on 13 November 2024, they stated that the chargeback framework sets out rules covering card transactions and they had no chargeback rights.
Unhappy with this response Mr McEwan asked this service to investigate.
My findings
In order to consider if the bank has treated Mr McEwan fairly here – I need to think about whether it should have done more to assist him in getting his money back. That means considering whether Revolut Ltd did enough in respect of the chargeback.
There are different ways that a bank can assist consumers who have had issues with goods or services not being provided.
In some cases, a bank may be able to request a refund from the supplier through the chargeback scheme. This is a way in which payment settlement disputes are resolved between card holders and suppliers/merchants. They are dealt with under the relevant card scheme rules and in this case that is the Mastercard card scheme. In certain circumstances the process provides a way for Revolut Ltd to ask for a payment Mr McEwan made to be refunded. Those circumstances can include where services aren’t supplied by the company.
There is no obligation for a card issuer to raise a chargeback when a consumer asks for one. But I would consider it good practice for a chargeback to be attempted where the right exists and there is some prospect of success.
Raising a claim isn’t a guarantee that it will be successful. A merchant can defend the claim and if it provides a valid defence – the bank might decide not to take any further action. Or the bank can re-present the claim if it considers the merchant has raised a weak or invalid defence. And if the merchant continues to defend the claim the bank can take matters to an arbitration process, whereby Mastercard decides who should get to keep the funds.
There are time limits within the rules around whether this should and can happen – and the full process can take some time for this to be resolved.
Revolut Ltd explained that they were unable to raise a chargeback as no chargeback reason was possible. I don’t think a chargeback had it been raised would have succeeded as there doesn’t appear to be a prospect of it being successful. I’ve reviewed the Mastercard chargeback information which states the following:
"Gambling and Investment Chargebacks. For transactions in which value or assets are purchased for gambling, investment, or similar purposes: This chargeback right is only available for a transaction in which the purchased value or assets failed to appear in the account agreed to between the cardholder and the merchant."
Taking into account the claim Mr McEwan raised and the above, I can’t see that Revolut Ltd were incorrect in advising they were unable to raise a chargeback. Mr McEwan has raised concerns with the legality of the websites but that is not something that Revolut Ltd are responsible for and can only look at the possibility of a chargeback but as I’ve explained this was not something they could have pursued here.
Could Revolut Ltd have done more here
I can see that Mr McEwan has mentioned that he requested to close his account but this was refused by Revolut Ltd. I’ve reviewed Mr McEwans messages with Revolut, I’ve seen the conversation he mentions that they refused, however, this was with an online AI chat response that said it couldn’t’ help with the request. Mr McEwan also had a chat with a member of staff who did offer to help and explained how he could close his account and they also offered to transfer him to the team to put a gambling block on but Mr McEwan didn’t pursue this option.
I appreciate that Mr McEwan was in a difficult position as his gambling was a problem for him and he was looking for support, but it appears that Revolut Ltd did offer help by explaining how to close the account and offering to assist with a gambling block. I therefore can’t see they have acted unfairly.
I should also point out that I can only look at Revolut Ltd and not the gambling merchants
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