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Da li i vi verujete da je to korisno drugima?
Do you also believe that it is helpful to others?
Koncept „fer kockanja" deluje kao namerni oksimoron. Platforme tvrde da su transparentne, ali osnovna mehanika uvek favorizuje kuću. To je sofisticirani psihološki ples između nade igrača i matematičke verovatnoće.
The concept of "fair gambling" feels like an intentional oxymoron. Platforms claim transparency, but the underlying mechanics always favor the house. It's a sophisticated psychological dance between player hope and mathematical probability.
Kao igrač, prolazim kroz veoma frustrirajuću situaciju sa poznatim provajderom igara (Pragmatic Play), u kojoj sam prikupio značajnu količinu dokaza koji ukazuju na veoma nepravilno ponašanje u igri ruleta uživo. Međutim, uprkos tome što sam imao dokaze u rukama – video snimke, ponavljajuće obrasce, izbegavajuće odgovore – shvatio sam nešto ozbiljnije: postoji ogromna regulatorna rupa.
Vlasti prebacuju odgovornost, forumi guraju konce u skrivene kategorije, a platforme koje bi trebalo da štite igrače takođe su uhvaćene u unakrsnu vatru komercijalnih interesa. Niko ne želi da uznemiri velike provajdere.
Zbog toga se pitam: kakva je korist od „fer-plej" kodeksa ako, kada se zaista dogodi ozbiljna nepravilnost, niko ne preduzme konkretne mere? Voleo bih da verujem u ovu misiju fer i odgovornog kockanja, ali za sada, ono što sam iskusio pokazuje mi da je sistem osmišljen da zaštiti operatere više nego igrače.
Nadam se da ova poruka neće biti obrisana. Samo želim da se zna da postoje igrači koji su pokušali da poštuju pravila, pruže dokaze i komuniciraju s poštovanjem... a ipak smo potpuno ignorisani, jednostavno zato što nismo kompanija.
Hvala ako neko uspe da pročita ovo do kraja.
As a player, I've been going through a very frustrating situation with a well-known game provider (Pragmatic Play), in which I've gathered a considerable amount of evidence pointing to highly irregular behavior in a live roulette game. However, despite having the evidence in hand—videos, repeated patterns, evasive answers—I've realized something more serious: there's a huge regulatory loophole.
Authorities pass the buck, forums push the strings into hidden categories, and platforms that should protect players are also caught in the crossfire of commercial interests. No one wants to upset the big providers.
This makes me wonder: what good is a "fair play" code if, when a serious irregularity actually occurs, no one takes concrete action? I'd love to believe in this mission of fair and responsible gaming, but for now, what I've experienced shows me that the system is designed to protect operators more than players.
I hope this message doesn't get deleted. I just want it to be known that there are players who have tried to follow the rules, provide evidence, and communicate respectfully… and yet we are completely ignored, simply because we are not a company.
Thanks if anyone manages to read this to the end.
Como jugador, he estado pasando por una situación muy frustrante con un proveedor de juegos bastante conocido (Pragmatic Play), en la que he reunido una cantidad considerable de evidencia que apunta a un comportamiento altamente irregular en una ruleta en vivo. Sin embargo, a pesar de tener las pruebas en las manos ,videos, patrones repetidos, respuestas evasivas, me he dado cuenta de algo más grave: existe un enorme vacío regulatorio.
Las autoridades se pasan la responsabilidad unas a otras, los foros te mueven los hilos a categorías ocultas, y las plataformas que deberían proteger al jugador también están atrapadas entre intereses comerciales. Nadie quiere incomodar a los proveedores grandes.
Esto me hace preguntarme: ¿de qué sirve un código de "juego limpio" si cuando realmente se presenta una irregularidad seria, nadie toma acción concreta? Me encantaría creer en esta misión de juego justo y responsable, pero por ahora, lo que he vivido me muestra que el sistema está hecho para proteger más a los operadores que a los jugadores.
Ojalá este mensaje no se borre. Solo quiero que se sepa que hay jugadores que hemos tratado de seguir las reglas, aportar evidencia y comunicar con respeto… y aún así nos ignoran completamente, simplemente porque no somos una empresa.
Gracias si alguien llega a leer esto hasta el final.
Koncept „fer kockanja" deluje kao namerni oksimoron. Platforme tvrde da su transparentne, ali osnovna mehanika uvek favorizuje kuću. To je sofisticirani psihološki ples između nade igrača i matematičke verovatnoće.
The concept of "fair gambling" feels like an intentional oxymoron. Platforms claim transparency, but the underlying mechanics always favor the house. It's a sophisticated psychological dance between player hope and mathematical probability.
Igrači uvek igraju znajući da kuća ima prednost. Frustrirajuće je kada vidite nešto pogrešno i dokumentujete to nekoliko meseci, pratite sve protokole, a niko vas ne shvata ozbiljno niti preduzima mere! Naravno, moraju da zaštite svoje B2B licence. Regulatori štite licence, a ne igrače.
Players always play knowing the house has the advantage. The frustrating thing is when you see something wrong and document it for a couple of months, follow all the protocols, and no one takes you seriously or takes action! Of course, they have to protect their B2B licenses. Regulators protect licenses, not players.
Teorija i koncept su u redu.
Matematička prednost kazina
potpuno je legalno, poznato je po pojedinačnim igrama,
i nije nepošteno.
Ali, među „problematičnim temama" članak ne navodi glavne,
Na kraju krajeva, onlajn kazina su opasna jer mogu:
- ukrasti depozit igrača prilikom dopunjavanja računa (novac,
navodno, nisu stigli),
- ukradite novac igrača sa računa na različite načine
načine. Na primer, namernim generisanjem nepoštenih
rezultati protiv njegovih opklada. Ili samo blokirajte
račun i konfiskovati novac;
- ukrasti novac igrača prilikom pokušaja podizanja.
Sve se ovo može dogoditi u bilo koje vreme i u bilo koje vreme.
onlajn kazino. Čak i nakon uspešne provere igre
za mali novac, uspešnu verifikaciju i povlačenje dobitaka.
The theory and concept are all right.
Mathematical casino advantage
it's completely legal, it's known for individual games,
and is not dishonest.
But, among the "problematic topics" the article does not name the main ones,
After all, online casinos are dangerous because they can:
- steal a player's deposit when replenishing an account (money,
allegedly, they did not arrive),
- steal the player's money from the account in different ways
ways. For example, by deliberately generating dishonest
results against his bets. Or just block
account and confiscate the money;
- steal a player's money when trying to withdraw it.
All this can happen at any time and at any time.
online casino. Even after a successful game check
for small money, successful verification and withdrawal of winnings.
С теорией в концепции всё в порядке.
Математическое преимущество казино
вполне законно, известно для отдельных игр,
и нечестным не является.
Но, среди "проблемных тем" в статье не названы главные,
ведь онлайн казино опасны тем, что могут:
- украсть депозит игрока при пополнении счёта (деньги,
якобы, не поступили),
- украсть деньги игрока уже со счёта разными
способами. Например, намеренно генерируя нечестные
результаты против его ставок. Или просто заблокировать
аккаунт и конфисковать деньги;
- украсть деньги игрока при попытке их вывода.
Всё это может произойти в любой момент и в любом
онлайн казино. Даже после удачной проверки игрой
на малые деньги, успешной верификации и вывода выигрыша.
Koncept „fer kockanja" deluje kao namerni oksimoron. Platforme tvrde da su transparentne, ali osnovna mehanika uvek favorizuje kuću. To je sofisticirani psihološki ples između nade igrača i matematičke verovatnoće.
The concept of "fair gambling" feels like an intentional oxymoron. Platforms claim transparency, but the underlying mechanics always favor the house. It's a sophisticated psychological dance between player hope and mathematical probability.
Slažem se ovde, jedini faktori koji se mogu smatrati manje-više fer su koliko brzo se KYC i plaćanja dešavaju i da li kazino sprovodi odgovorno kockanje u određenoj meri sa opcijama samoisključenja.
Sve igre imaju prednost kuće po svojoj prirodi, inače bi svaki kazino bankrotirao za vrlo kratko vreme. Kazina imaju malu prednost, možete pobediti, ali generalno, što duže igrate, to vas može više koštati.
Nekada 80-ih je postojao kazino u Vegasu koji je imao igru sa 100,3% RTP-a i veoma brzo je bankrotirao, pre nego što su shvatili da igra ima faraon u nazivu, zaboravio sam.
Lep post, svaki glas za njega.
I agree here, the only factors which can be deemed more or less fair are how fast KYC and payments happen and does the casino do responsible gambling to a degree with self exclusion options.
The games all have a house edge by design, else every casino would go bankrupt in very little time. The casinos have a small edge, you can win, but generally, the longer you play, the more it might cost you.
There was a casino once in the 80s , which had a game with 100.3% RTP in Vegas and it went bankrupt very quickly, before they realized, the game had pharao in the name, I forgot.
Nice post , have an upvote.
Kao igrač, prolazim kroz veoma frustrirajuću situaciju sa poznatim provajderom igara (Pragmatic Play), u kojoj sam prikupio značajnu količinu dokaza koji ukazuju na veoma nepravilno ponašanje u igri ruleta uživo. Međutim, uprkos tome što sam imao dokaze u rukama – video snimke, ponavljajuće obrasce, izbegavajuće odgovore – shvatio sam nešto ozbiljnije: postoji ogromna regulatorna rupa.
Vlasti prebacuju odgovornost, forumi guraju konce u skrivene kategorije, a platforme koje bi trebalo da štite igrače takođe su uhvaćene u unakrsnu vatru komercijalnih interesa. Niko ne želi da uznemiri velike provajdere.
Zbog toga se pitam: kakva je korist od „fer-plej" kodeksa ako, kada se zaista dogodi ozbiljna nepravilnost, niko ne preduzme konkretne mere? Voleo bih da verujem u ovu misiju fer i odgovornog kockanja, ali za sada, ono što sam iskusio pokazuje mi da je sistem osmišljen da zaštiti operatere više nego igrače.
Nadam se da ova poruka neće biti obrisana. Samo želim da se zna da postoje igrači koji su pokušali da poštuju pravila, pruže dokaze i komuniciraju s poštovanjem... a ipak smo potpuno ignorisani, jednostavno zato što nismo kompanija.
Hvala ako neko uspe da pročita ovo do kraja.
As a player, I've been going through a very frustrating situation with a well-known game provider (Pragmatic Play), in which I've gathered a considerable amount of evidence pointing to highly irregular behavior in a live roulette game. However, despite having the evidence in hand—videos, repeated patterns, evasive answers—I've realized something more serious: there's a huge regulatory loophole.
Authorities pass the buck, forums push the strings into hidden categories, and platforms that should protect players are also caught in the crossfire of commercial interests. No one wants to upset the big providers.
This makes me wonder: what good is a "fair play" code if, when a serious irregularity actually occurs, no one takes concrete action? I'd love to believe in this mission of fair and responsible gaming, but for now, what I've experienced shows me that the system is designed to protect operators more than players.
I hope this message doesn't get deleted. I just want it to be known that there are players who have tried to follow the rules, provide evidence, and communicate respectfully… and yet we are completely ignored, simply because we are not a company.
Thanks if anyone manages to read this to the end.
Como jugador, he estado pasando por una situación muy frustrante con un proveedor de juegos bastante conocido (Pragmatic Play), en la que he reunido una cantidad considerable de evidencia que apunta a un comportamiento altamente irregular en una ruleta en vivo. Sin embargo, a pesar de tener las pruebas en las manos ,videos, patrones repetidos, respuestas evasivas, me he dado cuenta de algo más grave: existe un enorme vacío regulatorio.
Las autoridades se pasan la responsabilidad unas a otras, los foros te mueven los hilos a categorías ocultas, y las plataformas que deberían proteger al jugador también están atrapadas entre intereses comerciales. Nadie quiere incomodar a los proveedores grandes.
Esto me hace preguntarme: ¿de qué sirve un código de "juego limpio" si cuando realmente se presenta una irregularidad seria, nadie toma acción concreta? Me encantaría creer en esta misión de juego justo y responsable, pero por ahora, lo que he vivido me muestra que el sistema está hecho para proteger más a los operadores que a los jugadores.
Ojalá este mensaje no se borre. Solo quiero que se sepa que hay jugadores que hemos tratado de seguir las reglas, aportar evidencia y comunicar con respeto… y aún así nos ignoran completamente, simplemente porque no somos una empresa.
Gracias si alguien llega a leer esto hasta el final.
Ne bih se mogao više složiti sa tobom, kada se dovodi u pitanje kazino sistem, koji u osnovi hrani sve oko sebe, uvek se javlja ideja da su regulisani, da nemaju potrebu da varaju, ali činjenica je da mi (igrači) nismo budale, uzimam tvoj primer ruleta, jednog dana sam igrao rulet bez novca i samo na crveno i crno da bih napravio eksperiment, i ovde na ovom sajtu koji navodno ima samo za cilj da eksperimentiše, i nikada mi se nije desilo da izgubim 7 puta zaredom kao što se desilo kada sam to uradio za novac sa značajnim ulozima! U evropskom ruletu sa nulom, što je bio slučaj, šanse da se ovo desi su 1,35%, ili šanse da se ne desi su obrnutih 98,65%, ali činjenica je da se to dešava i to mnogo!!! Naravno da je frustrirajuće kada izgubiš, ali je još frustrirajuće osećati da si izgubio kada su sve šanse da nećeš (barem toliko puta!). Čudno je, blago rečeno, kada uložite veliku količinu novca na slot da biste dobili bonus i odjednom u tom trenutku igra se sruši i u deliću sekunde, što se čak ni ne beleži u vašoj istoriji, igra se vrati i kaže vam da ste osvojili sitniš! Kada kupite nešto što je regulisano, zar ne bi trebalo bar da vidite šta kupujete??? Zašto u onlajn kazinu jednostavno moramo da verujemo da iako nismo videli poteze, sve je u redu i da je u deliću sekunde (čak ni u sekundi) bilo 7 bonus poteza koji su mogli biti 21 i dali nam taj rezultat! Oprostite mi, ali kakva je ovo pravda? Hvala vam.
I couldn't agree with you more, when the casino system is questioned, which basically feeds everything around it, the idea always arises that they are regulated, that they have no need to cheat, but the fact is that we are not fools (the players), I take your example of roulette, one of these days I played roulette without money and only on red and black to do an experiment, and here on this site that supposedly only aims to experiment, and it never happened to me to lose 7 consecutive times as it happened when I did it for money with considerable bets! In European roulette with a zero, which was the case, the chances of this happening are 1.35%, or the chances of it not happening are the reverse 98.65%, but the fact is that it happens and a lot!!! Of course it's frustrating when you lose, but it's even more frustrating to feel that you've lost when all the odds are that you won't (so many times at least!). It's strange, to say the least, when you bet a large amount of money on a slot to get a bonus and suddenly at that very moment the game crashes and in a split second, which isn't even recorded in your history, the game comes back and tells you that you've won a pittance! When you buy something that's regulated, aren't you supposed to at least see what you're buying??? Why is it that in an online casino we simply have to believe that even though we haven't seen the moves, everything is fine and that in a fraction of a second (not even a second) there were 7 bonus moves that could have been 21 and gave us that result! Forgive me, but what kind of justice is this? Thank you
Não podia estar mais de acordo consigo, quando se põe em causa o sistema dos casinos que no fundo alimentam tudo o que está à volta, surge sempre a ideia que são regulamentados, que não tem necessidade de enganar, mas o que é facto é nós não somos parvos (nos jogadores), agarro no seu exemplo da roleta, um dia destes joguei roleta sem ser a dinheiro e apenas no vermelho e no preto para fazer uma experiência, e aqui neste site que supostamente apenas tem como objetivo experimentar, e nunca me aconteceu perder 7 vezes consecutivas como aconteceu quando o fiz a dinheiro com apostas consideráveis! Na roleta Europeia com um zero, que foi o caso, a chances de isso acontecer são 1,35%, ou seja as hipóteses de não acontecer são o reverso 98,65%, mas o que é facto é que acontece e muito!!! Claro que é frustrante quando perdemos, mas mais frustrante e sentirmos que perdemos quando todas as probabilidades seriam não perdemos (tantas vezes pelo menos!). E no mínimo estranho quando apostamos um montante grande numa slot para termos um bónus e de repente nesse preciso instante o jogo cai e numa fração de segundo, que nem contabilizada no nosso histórico está, o jogo volta e diz-nos que ganhamos uma miséria! Quando compramos algo que está regulamentado, não é suposto pelo menos vermos aquilo que compramos??? Porque é que num casino online simplesmente temos de acreditar que apesar de não termos visto as tais jogadas, está tudo bem e que numa fração de segundo (nem um segundo é) ocorreram 7 jogadas de bónus que até podiam ser 21 e nos deram aquele resultado! Perdoe-me mas que justiça é esta? Obrigado
Ne bih se mogao više složiti sa tobom, kada se dovodi u pitanje kazino sistem, koji u osnovi hrani sve oko sebe, uvek se javlja ideja da su regulisani, da nemaju potrebu da varaju, ali činjenica je da mi (igrači) nismo budale, uzimam tvoj primer ruleta, jednog dana sam igrao rulet bez novca i samo na crveno i crno da bih napravio eksperiment, i ovde na ovom sajtu koji navodno ima samo za cilj da eksperimentiše, i nikada mi se nije desilo da izgubim 7 puta zaredom kao što se desilo kada sam to uradio za novac sa značajnim ulozima! U evropskom ruletu sa nulom, što je bio slučaj, šanse da se ovo desi su 1,35%, ili šanse da se ne desi su obrnutih 98,65%, ali činjenica je da se to dešava i to mnogo!!! Naravno da je frustrirajuće kada izgubiš, ali je još frustrirajuće osećati da si izgubio kada su sve šanse da nećeš (barem toliko puta!). Čudno je, blago rečeno, kada uložite veliku količinu novca na slot da biste dobili bonus i odjednom u tom trenutku igra se sruši i u deliću sekunde, što se čak ni ne beleži u vašoj istoriji, igra se vrati i kaže vam da ste osvojili sitniš! Kada kupite nešto što je regulisano, zar ne bi trebalo bar da vidite šta kupujete??? Zašto u onlajn kazinu jednostavno moramo da verujemo da iako nismo videli poteze, sve je u redu i da je u deliću sekunde (čak ni u sekundi) bilo 7 bonus poteza koji su mogli biti 21 i dali nam taj rezultat! Oprostite mi, ali kakva je ovo pravda? Hvala vam.
I couldn't agree with you more, when the casino system is questioned, which basically feeds everything around it, the idea always arises that they are regulated, that they have no need to cheat, but the fact is that we are not fools (the players), I take your example of roulette, one of these days I played roulette without money and only on red and black to do an experiment, and here on this site that supposedly only aims to experiment, and it never happened to me to lose 7 consecutive times as it happened when I did it for money with considerable bets! In European roulette with a zero, which was the case, the chances of this happening are 1.35%, or the chances of it not happening are the reverse 98.65%, but the fact is that it happens and a lot!!! Of course it's frustrating when you lose, but it's even more frustrating to feel that you've lost when all the odds are that you won't (so many times at least!). It's strange, to say the least, when you bet a large amount of money on a slot to get a bonus and suddenly at that very moment the game crashes and in a split second, which isn't even recorded in your history, the game comes back and tells you that you've won a pittance! When you buy something that's regulated, aren't you supposed to at least see what you're buying??? Why is it that in an online casino we simply have to believe that even though we haven't seen the moves, everything is fine and that in a fraction of a second (not even a second) there were 7 bonus moves that could have been 21 and gave us that result! Forgive me, but what kind of justice is this? Thank you
Não podia estar mais de acordo consigo, quando se põe em causa o sistema dos casinos que no fundo alimentam tudo o que está à volta, surge sempre a ideia que são regulamentados, que não tem necessidade de enganar, mas o que é facto é nós não somos parvos (nos jogadores), agarro no seu exemplo da roleta, um dia destes joguei roleta sem ser a dinheiro e apenas no vermelho e no preto para fazer uma experiência, e aqui neste site que supostamente apenas tem como objetivo experimentar, e nunca me aconteceu perder 7 vezes consecutivas como aconteceu quando o fiz a dinheiro com apostas consideráveis! Na roleta Europeia com um zero, que foi o caso, a chances de isso acontecer são 1,35%, ou seja as hipóteses de não acontecer são o reverso 98,65%, mas o que é facto é que acontece e muito!!! Claro que é frustrante quando perdemos, mas mais frustrante e sentirmos que perdemos quando todas as probabilidades seriam não perdemos (tantas vezes pelo menos!). E no mínimo estranho quando apostamos um montante grande numa slot para termos um bónus e de repente nesse preciso instante o jogo cai e numa fração de segundo, que nem contabilizada no nosso histórico está, o jogo volta e diz-nos que ganhamos uma miséria! Quando compramos algo que está regulamentado, não é suposto pelo menos vermos aquilo que compramos??? Porque é que num casino online simplesmente temos de acreditar que apesar de não termos visto as tais jogadas, está tudo bem e que numa fração de segundo (nem um segundo é) ocorreram 7 jogadas de bónus que até podiam ser 21 e nos deram aquele resultado! Perdoe-me mas que justiça é esta? Obrigado
Hvala na poruci 🫶🏼
Pošto pominješ rulet, pozivam te da pogledaš temu koju sam otvorio na ovu temu. Tako možeš da otkriješ šta se dešava na jednom od stolova za rulet najvećeg svetskog provajdera (Pragmatic Play). Ako se ovo desi na jednom od njihovih stolova za rulet, ili na svima njima, kako su sami generalizovali, zamisli šta se dešava na njihovim slotovima ili drugim igrama. Kada otkriješ nešto ovakvo i prijaviš, odmah shvatiš da nema nikakve regulacije. Regulatori štite samo svoje B2B licence, a igrači jednostavno imaju lošu sreću. Ulaziš u birokratski proces gde svi znaju šta drže, ali niko se ne usuđuje da deluje jer znaju da bi mogli dobiti ovacije. Dakle, prijatelju, nisi imao lošu sreću niti si igrao protiv statistike, već si upao u zamku najunosnijeg posla na svetu. Srdačan pozdrav.
Thanks for your message🫶🏼
Since you mention roulette, I invite you to check out a thread I've opened on this topic. So you can discover what's happening at one of the roulette tables of the world's largest provider (Pragmatic Play). If this happens at one of their roulette tables, or at all of them, as they themselves have generalized, imagine what happens at their slots or other games. When you discover something like this and report it, you immediately realize there's no regulation whatsoever. Regulators only protect their B2B licenses, and players just have bad luck. You enter a bureaucratic process where everyone knows what they're holding, but no one dares to act because they know they might get a standing ovation. So, my friend, you didn't have bad luck or play against the statistics, but rather you fell into the trap of the most lucrative business in the world. Regards.
Gracias por tu mensaje🫶🏼
ya que Mencionas el tema ruleta, te invito a que pases por un hilo que he abierto con este tema. Para que descubras lo que sucede en una de las ruletas del proveedor más grande del mundo( pragmatic play ). Si esto pasa en una de sus ruletas o en todas como ellos mismos lo generalizaron, imagínate tú en sus slots o en otros de sus juegos. Cuando descubres algo así y lo reportas, en ese momento notas que no existe ningún tipo de regulación. Los reguladores solo protegen sus licencias B2B y los jugadores solo tienen mala suerte. Entras en un proceso burocrático que todos saben lo que tienen en las manos, pero ninguno se atreve a actuar porque saben lo que pueden ovacionar. Así que no amigo mío no tuviste mala suerte o jugaste algo en contra de las estadísticas, sino que caíste en las redes del negocio más lucrativo del mundo. Saludos
Da, igrači su svesni prednosti kuće, ali tu je i deo volatilnosti, to je ono što nama kladioničarima povremeno daje šansu.
Lako je, Evo Gaming i MGA odobreni dobavljači igara imaju podršku i odobrenje vlade, mada sumnjam da malteška tela imaju i jednu osobu koja razume matematiku, ali njihovi odobreni dobavljači nemaju skandale.
Sasvim je drugačije za takozvane „dokazivo fer" igre od strane Stake-a i sličnih, morate biti prilično glupi da biste poverovali u tu tvrdnju. Trebalo je nekoliko godina dok ljudi nisu prestali da veruju u tu tvrdnju, ali šteta je već učinjena. Nikada ne verujte igri koju sami razvijate, neverovatno je kako neko može biti toliko glup i poverovati u takve tvrdnje, a ipak, evo nas, neki influenseri poput Drejka to govore ljudima na društvenim mrežama, profitiraju od toga, a gledaoci to kupuju po ulici i konopcu. Stake i BCgame nisu imali nijedan oglas za posao mesecima, ali niko ne ide tako daleko i ne proverava takve stvari.
Kraj tirade
Yes, players are aware of the house advantage, but there is the volatility part, this is what gives us punters a chance once in a while.
It's easy, Evo gaming and MGA approved games providers have the governments backing and approval, though I doubt the Maltese bodies have even one person who understands the mathematics, but their approved providers do not have scandals.
Very different for the so called "provable fair" games by Stake and such, you have to be pretty dumb to believe that claim. It took a couple years until the people stopped believing the claim, but the damage is done. Never trust a self developed game, it beggars belief how anyone could be so stupid and believe such claims, yet here we are, some influencers like Drake tell it to the people on social media, profit from it and the viewers buy it hook, line and sinker. Stake and BCgame have not had a single job posting in months, but nobody goes as far and check such things.
End of rant
Zdravo! Igrao sam na rioace-u i osvojio blizu 60.000 evra. Prvo se javila VIP menadžerka, pa sam joj rekao da želim veliku isplatu, a ne 3000 mesečno kada je limit 1800 dnevno na nivou na kojem sam bio, onda mi nije odgovarala na imejlove nedelju dana, pa je poslala još jedan i lagala me, da mi ga je poslala, a ja ga nisam video, laž naravno, čim sam ušao da igram pošto sam imao novac, ali nisam mogao da ga podignem sa prevarantima, zaglavilo se, novac je izgubljen, imam snimak ekrana svega, a onda je gospođica Lijana aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa čak i tonom, pa hoću novac kada sam ih tražio, očigledno su prevaranti, osim ako ga zaposleni ne ukradu, nema drugog načina da se objasni zašto se ovako ponašaju. Ko ih kontroliše? Zašto postoje?
Hello! I was playing on rioace and won close to 60,000 euros. At first the vip manager answered then I told her that I wanted to make a big withdrawal and not 3000 per month when the limit was 1800 per day at the level I was at, then she didn't answer my emails for 1 week, then she sent another one and lied to me, that she sent it to me and I didn't see it, a lie of course, as soon as I entered to play since I had money but couldn't withdraw it with the scammers, it got stuck the money was lost, I have a screen shot of everything, and then Miss Liana aaaaaaaaassed and even with a tone, well I want the money when I asked them for it, they are clearly scammers, unless the employees steal it there is no other way to explain why they behave like this. Who controls them? Why do they exist?
Γεια σας ! Έπαιζα στην rioace κέρδισα κοντά στις 60000 ευρώ . Στην αρχή η vip manager απαντούσε μετά της είπα πως θέλω να κάνω μεγάλη ανάληψη και όχι 3000 τον μήνα που το όριο έλεγε τότε 1800 ανά ημέρα στο επίπεδο που ήμουν , μετά δεν μου απαντούσε 1 βδομάδα στα email , μετά έστειλε μια άλλη και μου είπε ψέματα , ότι μου έστειλε και δεν το είδα , ψέμα φυσικά , μόλις μπήκα να παίξω μιας και αφού είχα χρήματα αλλά δεν μπορούσα να τα σηκώσω με τους απαταιωνες , κολλούσε χάθηκαν τα χρήματα , έχω screen shot όλα , και τότε η δεσποινίς Liana απαααααντησε και μάλιστα με ύφος , λοιπόν θέλω τα χρήματα όταν τους τα ζητούσα , είναι καθαρά απαταιωνες , εκτός αν τα κλέβουν οι υπάλληλοι δεν εξηγείται αλλιώς να συμπεριφέρονται έτσι . Ποιος τους ελέγχει ; Γιατί υπάρχουν ;
Zdravo! Igrao sam na rioace-u i osvojio blizu 60.000 evra. Prvo se javila VIP menadžerka, pa sam joj rekao da želim veliku isplatu, a ne 3000 mesečno kada je limit 1800 dnevno na nivou na kojem sam bio, onda mi nije odgovarala na imejlove nedelju dana, pa je poslala još jedan i lagala me, da mi ga je poslala, a ja ga nisam video, laž naravno, čim sam ušao da igram pošto sam imao novac, ali nisam mogao da ga podignem sa prevarantima, zaglavilo se, novac je izgubljen, imam snimak ekrana svega, a onda je gospođica Lijana aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa čak i tonom, pa hoću novac kada sam ih tražio, očigledno su prevaranti, osim ako ga zaposleni ne ukradu, nema drugog načina da se objasni zašto se ovako ponašaju. Ko ih kontroliše? Zašto postoje?
Hello! I was playing on rioace and won close to 60,000 euros. At first the vip manager answered then I told her that I wanted to make a big withdrawal and not 3000 per month when the limit was 1800 per day at the level I was at, then she didn't answer my emails for 1 week, then she sent another one and lied to me, that she sent it to me and I didn't see it, a lie of course, as soon as I entered to play since I had money but couldn't withdraw it with the scammers, it got stuck the money was lost, I have a screen shot of everything, and then Miss Liana aaaaaaaaassed and even with a tone, well I want the money when I asked them for it, they are clearly scammers, unless the employees steal it there is no other way to explain why they behave like this. Who controls them? Why do they exist?
Γεια σας ! Έπαιζα στην rioace κέρδισα κοντά στις 60000 ευρώ . Στην αρχή η vip manager απαντούσε μετά της είπα πως θέλω να κάνω μεγάλη ανάληψη και όχι 3000 τον μήνα που το όριο έλεγε τότε 1800 ανά ημέρα στο επίπεδο που ήμουν , μετά δεν μου απαντούσε 1 βδομάδα στα email , μετά έστειλε μια άλλη και μου είπε ψέματα , ότι μου έστειλε και δεν το είδα , ψέμα φυσικά , μόλις μπήκα να παίξω μιας και αφού είχα χρήματα αλλά δεν μπορούσα να τα σηκώσω με τους απαταιωνες , κολλούσε χάθηκαν τα χρήματα , έχω screen shot όλα , και τότε η δεσποινίς Liana απαααααντησε και μάλιστα με ύφος , λοιπόν θέλω τα χρήματα όταν τους τα ζητούσα , είναι καθαρά απαταιωνες , εκτός αν τα κλέβουν οι υπάλληλοι δεν εξηγείται αλλιώς να συμπεριφέρονται έτσι . Ποιος τους ελέγχει ; Γιατί υπάρχουν ;
Povlačenje sredstava sa ograničenjima me je takođe iznenadilo, dok nisam osvojio značajnu sumu, nikada nisam pomislio da neće biti moguće povući sav novac koji smo osvojili kao što bi to bilo u normalnom kazinu!!! Šefovi kazina veoma dobro znaju da sa ograničenjima koja sami nameću i koja se retko ko seća da pročita u uslovima kazina dok se slučajno ne osvoji nešto, a onda naiđu na ova ograničenja povlačenja, a da ne pominjemo neke smešne čekove, da će vreme kada je novac tu uvek biti prilike za one koji ga imaju da igraju više, a kada se to desi, dolazi prilika da sam kazino uzme novac i da ne mora ništa da plati! Pa kakva je onda pravda u tome!!! Da li je to uopšte legalno? Ako odete u fizički kazino, zar ne odete sa onim što ste osvojili te noći? Ko je rekao ovim gospodama da mogu da zadrže vaš dobitak nedeljama ili dok ne budete u iskušenju da osvojite još, kada vam loša sreća uvek pokuca na vrata i na kraju izgubite ono što je tamo? Zar to nije malo previše zgodno? Koliko igrača se to desilo? Meni jeste!!!!
The withdrawal of balances with limits also came as a surprise to me, until I won a substantial amount I never thought that it wouldn't be possible to withdraw all the money we won as it would be in a normal casino!!! The casino bosses know very well that with the limits they themselves impose and which hardly anyone remembers to read in the casino conditions until they happen to win some and then they come across these withdrawal restrictions, not to mention some ridiculous checks, that the time the money is there will always be for those who have it a chance to play more, and when that happens there comes the opportunity for the casino itself to take it and not have to pay anything! So what's the justice of that!!! Is that even legal? If you go to a physical casino, don't you leave with what you won that night? Who told these gentlemen that they can keep your winnings for weeks or until you're tempted to win some more, when bad luck always knocks on your door and you end up losing what's there? Isn't that a bit too convenient? How many players have had that happen to them? I have!!!!
A retirada de saldos com limites também chegou a mim como uma surpresa, até ganhar uma quantia substancial nunca pensei que não fosse possível tirar todo o dinheiro que ganhamos como seria num casino normal!!! Os senhores dos casinos sabem muito bem que com os limites que eles próprios impõem e que quase ninguém se lembra de ler nas condições do casino até que por acaso ganham algum e deparam então com essas restrições de levantamento, já para não falar de algumas verificações ridículas, que o tempo que o dinheiro lá está vai ser sempre para quem o tem uma hipótese de jogar mais, e quando isso acontece vem a oportunidade de o próprio casino se apoderar dele e não ter de pagar nada! Então qual é justiça disso!!! Isso é sequer legal??!! Se formos a um qualquer casino físico, não saímos de lá com aquilo que ganhamos nessa noite??? Quem disse a estes senhores que podem ficar com os nossos ganhos durante semanas ou até cairmos na tentação de ganhar mais algum, altura que o azar nos bate sempre a porta e acabamos por perder o que lá está?? Não é demasiado conveniente??!!! A quantos jogadores já aconteceu isso??! A mim já!!!!
Zdravo! Igrao sam na rioace-u i osvojio blizu 60.000 evra. Prvo se javila VIP menadžerka, pa sam joj rekao da želim veliku isplatu, a ne 3000 mesečno kada je limit 1800 dnevno na nivou na kojem sam bio, onda mi nije odgovarala na imejlove nedelju dana, pa je poslala još jedan i lagala me, da mi ga je poslala, a ja ga nisam video, laž naravno, čim sam ušao da igram pošto sam imao novac, ali nisam mogao da ga podignem sa prevarantima, zaglavilo se, novac je izgubljen, imam snimak ekrana svega, a onda je gospođica Lijana aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa čak i tonom, pa hoću novac kada sam ih tražio, očigledno su prevaranti, osim ako ga zaposleni ne ukradu, nema drugog načina da se objasni zašto se ovako ponašaju. Ko ih kontroliše? Zašto postoje?
Hello! I was playing on rioace and won close to 60,000 euros. At first the vip manager answered then I told her that I wanted to make a big withdrawal and not 3000 per month when the limit was 1800 per day at the level I was at, then she didn't answer my emails for 1 week, then she sent another one and lied to me, that she sent it to me and I didn't see it, a lie of course, as soon as I entered to play since I had money but couldn't withdraw it with the scammers, it got stuck the money was lost, I have a screen shot of everything, and then Miss Liana aaaaaaaaassed and even with a tone, well I want the money when I asked them for it, they are clearly scammers, unless the employees steal it there is no other way to explain why they behave like this. Who controls them? Why do they exist?
Γεια σας ! Έπαιζα στην rioace κέρδισα κοντά στις 60000 ευρώ . Στην αρχή η vip manager απαντούσε μετά της είπα πως θέλω να κάνω μεγάλη ανάληψη και όχι 3000 τον μήνα που το όριο έλεγε τότε 1800 ανά ημέρα στο επίπεδο που ήμουν , μετά δεν μου απαντούσε 1 βδομάδα στα email , μετά έστειλε μια άλλη και μου είπε ψέματα , ότι μου έστειλε και δεν το είδα , ψέμα φυσικά , μόλις μπήκα να παίξω μιας και αφού είχα χρήματα αλλά δεν μπορούσα να τα σηκώσω με τους απαταιωνες , κολλούσε χάθηκαν τα χρήματα , έχω screen shot όλα , και τότε η δεσποινίς Liana απαααααντησε και μάλιστα με ύφος , λοιπόν θέλω τα χρήματα όταν τους τα ζητούσα , είναι καθαρά απαταιωνες , εκτός αν τα κλέβουν οι υπάλληλοι δεν εξηγείται αλλιώς να συμπεριφέρονται έτσι . Ποιος τους ελέγχει ; Γιατί υπάρχουν ;
Zdravo, nisam siguran o kom sajtu govorite, ali nam je žao što čujemo za to i želeo bih da znate da za bilo kakve probleme vezane za povlačenje sredstava ili nalog, kontaktirajte naš tim za žalbe direktno putem ovog linka:
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Ako podnesete žalbu, moje kolege će je ispitati.
Hello, not sure which site you are talking about, but We’re sorry to hear about it, and I wanted you to know that for any withdrawal or account-related issues, please contact our Complaints Team directly via this link:
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If you submit the complaint, my colleagues will look into it.
Nažalost, nije standardno u onlajn kazinima da se veliki dobici isplaćuju odjednom, i da, to je šteta. Međutim, pošteni kazina navode svoja ograničenja za isplatu u svojim uslovima, a mi smo ih sumirali u našim recenzijama. Provera ovih ograničenja unapred može vam pomoći da izbegnete kazina sa preniskim ograničenjima.
It’s unfortunately not standard in online casinos to withdraw large winnings all at once,and yes, that’s a shame. However, honest casinos list their withdrawal limits in their terms, and we have them summarized in our reviews. Checking these in advance can help avoid casinos with limits that are too low.
Dakle, ova igra Zlatni Egipat za koju sam verovao da je prava, je samo primer. Drugim rečima, kada pokaže da su moje kupovine sa Amazona i Gugl pleja lažne. To je obmanjujuće sranje.
So this Golden Egypt game that I believed to be real, is just a sampler. In other words when it shows my purchases of Amazon and Google play are fake. Talk about misleading Bullshit
Hej, o čemu pričaš? Kazino aplikacija, koja možda zapravo nije kazino?
Hey, what are you talking about? Casino app, which is not actually a casino, perhaps?
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